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The Ratings Thread (Part 52)
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NeilVW
26-08-2013
All-day shares (inc +1)

BBC One: 18.8%
BBC Two: 6.7%
ITV: 10.7% approx
Channel 4: 5.5% approx
Channel 5: 5.0%
Others: 53.3% approx, including:
- ITV2: 2.9%
- Film4: 2.8%
- ITV3: 2.3%

Film4 boosted by Avatar and presumably Home Alone and Lord of the Rings: T2T.
Steve Williams
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Sunday consists of just half a dozen brand new shows:
Sunday Morning Live
The Politics Show
(Football Focus Extra)
Songs of Praise
Countryfile
Antiques Roadshow
The 9pm Programme
That isn't good enough.”

It's far, far better than it used to be. Sunday Morning Live (which isn't on all year round, it alternates with other shows like The Big Questions) and The Sunday Politics (which isn't on all year round now because it's not on at the moment) are all done and dusted by noon. The audience watching telly on a Sunday morning is tiny, so nobody's desperate for novelty. Match of the Day Extra hasn't even started yet and that clearly won't be on all year round.

Then you've got Songs of Praise which shuttles about whatever time is most convenient for the schedules. The other week it was on at three o'clock, and apart from that half hour, that means you've got the whole of noon to six o'clock to play with. Countryfile has been shown as early as 5.30 or six o'clock and Antiques Roadshow is regularly not on, hence why they were able to show Call The Midwife at 8pm earlier this year. And then at 9pm, that family favourite, The 9pm Programme.

Meanwhile, twenty years ago or so, Sunday mornings were entirely devoted to religion and adult education, all year round, until 12.30. Then there was Countryfile, then On The Record, which filled the same role as The Sunday Politics, but was at 1pm. Then there was the 'stEnders omnibus, every week of the year. Songs of Praise was shown every single week at 6.40 - by law! And then after 9pm there was That's Life for six months of the year. Then after 10pm just more religion and adult education. I lived through years of that line-up on Sunday and it was a million times more boring than anything BBC1 churn out on Sunday now.

And in addition, if you want to know what happens if you don't have any proper fixtures in the schedule, you can look at ITV's truly awful weekend daytime shares. The public want familiarity.

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Also with comedy especially C4 have very few returning series at the moment (I can only think of Friday Night Dinner and the surely due the axe Peep Show) on the main channel, so adding another full series rather than a series of pilots might be the better risk to take. It's surely cheaper too to commission a 6 part series than 6 individual pilots.

Pilot series are only worth while if they're consistently generating new series - but over the last couple of years they haven't been for C4.”

Well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedy_Showcase

Three series of Comedy Showcase spun off seven series (plus one for another channel), plus the Funny Fortnight last year also spun off the forthcoming Toast of London and also Bad Sugar which was going to be a series but now isn't happening due to the inability to get the cast together. That to me is a pretty impressive ratio, especially given how few comedy shows C4 show these days anyway. And even those that didn't get picked up did some interesting things anyway and it was worth showing them. Add to that all the stuff that's spun out of Comedy Lab.

And again, they still have to make the pilots even if they're not showing them.

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“A Touch of Cloth: 193k (0.9%)”

That is a poor showing though you'll have to blame Sky for that because I know they actually filmed that last year but for some bizarre reason Sky decided to sit on it until exactly a year after the first one, so everyone had forgotten about it. I think the On Demand is of minimal importance.
Zac Quinn
26-08-2013
Sport peaks are in:

The Ashes
Sky Sports Ashes - 1.33m at 7.5%, 7:30pm.
Channel 5 - 1.01m at 5.2%, 7:50pm.

Cardiff City vs Manchester City
Sky Sports 1 - 1.53m at 11.6%, 5:50pm.
Fudd
26-08-2013
...I think I actually prefer the thread bitching about the positives and negatives of each channel than the end of all our lives in a nuclear holocaust!

But while we're on that topic - that will never happen. I can see a Cold War developing between the West and Russia but neither are stupid enough to blow each other to smithereens. Iran is the wildcard but I think (and am hoping) that Russia will keep them on a tight leash.

As for last night's ratings; a pretty poor night all round though BBC One and ITV both held up decently and Dragons' Den certainly didn't disgrace itself. Celebrity Big Brother was up on the Bank Holiday episode from last year and the show has had a good summer overall.
D.M.N.
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Sport peaks are in:

The Ashes
Sky Sports Ashes - 1.33m at 7.5%, 7:30pm.
Channel 5 - 1.01m at 5.2%, 7:50pm.

Cardiff City vs Manchester City
Sky Sports 1 - 1.53m at 11.6%, 5:50pm.”

I know that there was The Ashes clash, but the football peak is pretty poor, in all honesty.
xfactorfan27
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“CBB scored a healthier looking 1.67m inc. +1. I think there's a good chance it suffered some sort of unusual bank holiday impact. Whilst it was down on the equivalent episode last year for the first time this series, the Sunday episode that preceded the summer BH last year fell on the second week and drew an even lower 1.59m inc. +1 on that occasion. The following night it was back up to just over 2 million. So a bit early for i4u, xfactorfan and SamuelW to be drawing conclusions that suit IMO.”

I like Big Brother, I want it to do well, but (unlike you) I have no agenda when commenting on ratings so I did not draw a conclusion to "suit" anything. I merely commented that Big Brother was lower than I would have thought at this stage and that the casting appears to have been weaker than I had initially thought.

I suspect this series will play out as the lowest overall rating CBB to date, but I hope to be proven wrong. We shall see.
Nine-Nine
26-08-2013
As I have seen on here already, the new trailer for Waterloo Road looks very-CBBC, shall we say? I expect this series to be the very last, and as a fan, to be honest I'd have rather they ended it when the show's old location was on its last legs. The move to Scotland and the change in episode pacing, storylining and with the show's protagonists has not helped what was once a great show. On the flip side, I do enjoy the odd episode now and again and the episode involving the well executed event of Tom's death was the best in a while. Though I do and will miss Tom for the new series. I hope the ninth (!) series is better than the last, but, I fear I'm being optimistic.
Jaycee Dove
26-08-2013
A touch of cloth was amusing the first time, but is largely the same Airplane style gags rerun so no surprise the ratings fall.

But Sky likely want to keep talent like Charlie Brooker happy.

They do court people like this as in Chris O'Dowd.

Their innovative and highly successful Little Crackers has proven a great way to test bed ideas, Nice to see they have quite a few on On Demand as new Sky viewers will have missed the earlier ones,

By the way - did I ever tell you I was a guest on This Morning?

derek500
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I know that there was The Ashes clash, but the football peak is pretty poor, in all honesty.”

We had the golf on the big screen, the cricket on Sky Go and just caught the last 15 minutes of the football.
derek500
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“By the way - did I ever tell you I was a guest on This Morning?
”

What day? I'll have a look on Catch Up.
Glenn A
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by xfactorfan27:
“I like Big Brother, I want it to do well, but (unlike you) I have no agenda when commenting on ratings so I did not draw a conclusion to "suit" anything. I merely commented that Big Brother was lower than I would have thought at this stage and that the casting appears to have been weaker than I had initially thought.

I suspect this series will play out as the lowest overall rating CBB to date, but I hope to be proven wrong. We shall see.”

It doesn't seem to be doing much better than the civvy version. I think the pool of celebrities that want to do this and IAC is drying up now and they're starting to rely on contestants from other reality shows.
NeilVW
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“They've started advertising the new series of Waterloo Road. from the look and style of the trailer they look to have finally repositioned it as a childrens programme.

Rather than the usual montage of drama that you'd get in a trailer for a drama programme, they've come up with this horror...

http://youtu.be/9ATMuB6D4Ds

Absolutely nothing to appeal to any new adult viewers.”

Apart from helping with out-of-London and out-of-England production quotas, part of the value to the BBC of Waterloo Road is its appeal to hard-to-reach young viewers.

Let's see which age groups have contributed most to the fall in Waterloo Road's ratings since the move to Scotland, using rzt's demo tables.

I've taken an average of the final three episodes from Series 7, the last set in Rochdale, and compared with the average for the last three in Series 8 just gone.*

Waterloo Road, June/July 2013
Total viewers: 2.91m (13.6%), volume down -35%, share down -29%
C4-15: 467k, down -26%
16-34: 590k, down -27%
35-44: 441k, down -34%
45-54: 502k, down -35%
55-64: 289k, down -50%
65+: 617k, down -38%

I'm aware that I'm comparing June/July with April here, so it's worth noting that the total TV audience in Waterloo Road's slot fell between the two periods by -8%. Also worth bearing in mind that Series 7 ran on Wednesdays, Series 8 on Thursdays.

* I've excluded the penultimate episode of Series 8, as this was out of slot (Wednesday rather than Thursday) and rated significantly lower than average. I've therefore used the three final episodes excluding the Wednesday 26 June 2013 episode.

Older viewers, particularly in the 55-64 age bracket (down by a half), have been turning away from Waterloo Road proportionally the most. However, every age group is down by at least a quarter. Perhaps the Emmerdale clash is at least partly to blame for the greater fall in older viewers.
Fudd
26-08-2013
The scheduling of Waterloo Road bamboozles more than anything for me. Why throw it up against half an hour of soap when they could give it a much easier slot of 8pm Wednesday, where ITV are focusing on light entertainment?
Nine-Nine
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The scheduling of Waterloo Road bamboozles more than anything for me. Why throw it up against half an hour of soap when they could give it a much easier slot of 8pm Wednesday, where ITV are focusing on light entertainment?”

This.
NeilVW
26-08-2013
My earlier post should have said Wednesday 27 June was excluded, not 26.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The scheduling of Waterloo Road bamboozles more than anything for me. Why throw it up against half an hour of soap when they could give it a much easier slot of 8pm Wednesday, where ITV are focusing on light entertainment?”

The cynic in me thinks the BBC moved it up against Emmerdale so that it could blame this for the inevitable fall in ratings when Waterloo jumped the Scottish shark!
square_eyes
26-08-2013
So, tonight ITV have regular ITV2 staple, and 11 year old movie 'The Bourne Identity' as the centre piece of primetime at 9pm.

Really don't know what to expect of this, but fully expecting ITV to be bottom out of the big 5 in the 9pm hour.

Big night for football as well with Man U / Chelsea on Sky Sports. Can see that doing well tonight.
yorkie100
26-08-2013
I was just thinking the Bourne movie could win the 9pm slot - I mean have you seen whats on the other channels - its pretty shocking.
hyperstarsponge
26-08-2013
I be looking at miner channels such as True Movies for tonight's viewing, Main channels are dire as usual apart from the 18:30 tattoo show on BBC One
NeilVW
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I was just thinking the Bourne movie could win the 9pm slot - I mean have you seen whats on the other channels - its pretty shocking.”

I don't know, the minor terrestrials look reasonably strong: a Horizon about possible DNA found in dinosaur bones (oddly scheduled against the wildlife special on BBC One), Benefits Britain 1949, and CBB.

It would be strange if all five main channels rated in the low 2s!
Joe40
26-08-2013
Moving MOTD2 to tonight (for Man Utd vs Chelsea) could well pay off for the Beeb.

No sign of Andy Murray on the order of play (despite being the champion), his 1st round US Open tennis match may now be on Wednesday.
NeilVW
26-08-2013
US ratings:

Quote:
“NBC was number one among adults 18-49, but CBS won with total viewers.

On NBC, the NFL Preseason Football earned a 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. Earlier in the Night, the Madden Pigskin Pro-Am earned a 1.3, and the pre-game kickoff show earned a 2.1 adults 18-49 rating.

On CBS Big Brother earned a 2.3, up two tenths from last week's 2.1 adults 18-49 rating. Unforgettable earned a 1.2, up a tenth from last week's series low 1.1 adults 18-49 rating.

On ABC,Family Dance Off earned a 0.7 adults 18-49 rating. Secret Millionaire garnered a season low 0.9, down three tenths from last week's 1.2 adults 18-49 rating.”

GeorgeS
26-08-2013
The repeat of The People's Medal last night did nearly as well as the 1st screening.

Tea With Mussolini getting above the1m also, not bad for what is really an art house movie.
Fudd
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“The repeat of The People's Medal last night did nearly as well as the 1st screening.

Tea With Mussolini getting above the1m also, not bad for what is really an art house movie.”

I watched it last night; it was a decent show which probably deserved more in it's original slot.
F1Ken
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“It's far, far better than it used to be. Sunday Morning Live (which isn't on all year round, it alternates with other shows like The Big Questions) and The Sunday Politics (which isn't on all year round now because it's not on at the moment) are all done and dusted by noon. The audience watching telly on a Sunday morning is tiny, so nobody's desperate for novelty. Match of the Day Extra hasn't even started yet and that clearly won't be on all year round.

Then you've got Songs of Praise which shuttles about whatever time is most convenient for the schedules. The other week it was on at three o'clock, and apart from that half hour, that means you've got the whole of noon to six o'clock to play with. Countryfile has been shown as early as 5.30 or six o'clock and Antiques Roadshow is regularly not on, hence why they were able to show Call The Midwife at 8pm earlier this year. And then at 9pm, that family favourite, The 9pm Programme.

Meanwhile, twenty years ago or so, Sunday mornings were entirely devoted to religion and adult education, all year round, until 12.30. Then there was Countryfile, then On The Record, which filled the same role as The Sunday Politics, but was at 1pm. Then there was the 'stEnders omnibus, every week of the year. Songs of Praise was shown every single week at 6.40 - by law! And then after 9pm there was That's Life for six months of the year. Then after 10pm just more religion and adult education. I lived through years of that line-up on Sunday and it was a million times more boring than anything BBC1 churn out on Sunday now.

And in addition, if you want to know what happens if you don't have any proper fixtures in the schedule, you can look at ITV's truly awful weekend daytime shares. The public want familiarity.
”

Steve have you thought of writing a book? I would buy it!

I really agree with your last paragraph. I think structure is what daytime need's, it's like a routine. And to be honest why the hell would the likes of ITV bother wasting money on weekend daytime as you say very little are watching at those times.

Ken
NeilVW
26-08-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“The repeat of The People's Medal last night did nearly as well as the 1st screening.”

Nearly as well as 1.6m (inc +1) in a Monday 9pm slot?

Quote:
“Tea With Mussolini getting above the 1m also, not bad for what is really an art house movie.”

That is a good rating given the type of film and the 16:25 slot. Do you have any more ratings?
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