When you look at the Stepping Out share it's maybe not so bad but that will have been boosted by early arrivals for X Factor and it has Strictly's launch party to contend with next week so it's nowhere near enough.
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Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“For me there comes a point on the BBC's flagship channel where whatever share occurs becomes an irrelevance. The actual figure is not much more than nothing for teatime Saturday. I reckon the audience that did tune in must have been pretty bemused. It is awful in many ways.”
“For me there comes a point on the BBC's flagship channel where whatever share occurs becomes an irrelevance. The actual figure is not much more than nothing for teatime Saturday. I reckon the audience that did tune in must have been pretty bemused. It is awful in many ways.”
It's kind of sad that the Puppets failed so terribly. As a format it's OK. It is the execution and delivery of it that's flawed. I think after next week it will disappear into the midst of "spare slot on a Saturday afternoon" status. They clearly must be disappointed. Bring on repeats of My Family. They will rate better.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“So far, it bodes well for Strictly Come Dancing and Atlantis.”
“So far, it bodes well for Strictly Come Dancing and Atlantis.”
How did The X Factor do in the ratings when Merlin launched in 2008?
Pointless Celebrities got 3.2million/21pct. Beat Stepping Out head to head.
That means Stepping Out mustve averaged about 4million in the 7pm-8pm hour. Starting it so early, particularly that first 30mins, dented its rating quite a lot.
That means Stepping Out mustve averaged about 4million in the 7pm-8pm hour. Starting it so early, particularly that first 30mins, dented its rating quite a lot.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“For me there comes a point on the BBC's flagship channel where whatever share occurs becomes an irrelevance. The actual figure is not much more than nothing for teatime Saturday. I reckon the audience that did tune in must have been pretty bemused. It is awful in many ways.”
“For me there comes a point on the BBC's flagship channel where whatever share occurs becomes an irrelevance. The actual figure is not much more than nothing for teatime Saturday. I reckon the audience that did tune in must have been pretty bemused. It is awful in many ways.”
Well even the share was an abysmal 8.4% and it probably lost to the Midsomer Murders repeat and ITV news. I'm not going to try to spin that as anything other than a disaster. Will it do a Don't Scare the Hare and move to 2-3pm?
EDIT: wizzywick had the same thought.
Originally Posted by GBali:
“How did The X Factor do in the ratings when Merlin launched in 2008?”
“How did The X Factor do in the ratings when Merlin launched in 2008?”
I'm not too sure but I believe X-Factor was robust in those days. People have now got used to a Strictly/Fantasy drama alternative now though and I think SCD will be on par with or slightly above X-Factor with Atlantis launching to a respectable 5 million.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Well even the share was an abysmal 8.4% and it probably lost to the Midsomer Murders repeat and ITV news. I'm not going to try to spin that as anything other than a disaster. Will it do a Don't Scare the Hare and move to 2-3pm?
EDIT: wizzywick had the same thought.”
“Well even the share was an abysmal 8.4% and it probably lost to the Midsomer Murders repeat and ITV news. I'm not going to try to spin that as anything other than a disaster. Will it do a Don't Scare the Hare and move to 2-3pm?
EDIT: wizzywick had the same thought.”
I actually mis-read Scores post so my comment on share was not correct.
The Puppets are a disaster all ends up-unless there could be a future on CBeebies or CBBC where it seems to have been pitched. As was Hare.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“I actually mis-read Scores post so my comment on share was not correct.”
“I actually mis-read Scores post so my comment on share was not correct.”
Ah OK. I wasn't suggesting you were spinning, by the way. The rest of your post made that clear.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Pointless Celebrities got 3.2million/21pct. Beat Stepping Out head to head.
That means Stepping Out mustve averaged about 4million in the 7pm-8pm hour. Starting it so early, particularly that first 30mins, dented its rating quite a lot.”
“Pointless Celebrities got 3.2million/21pct. Beat Stepping Out head to head.
That means Stepping Out mustve averaged about 4million in the 7pm-8pm hour. Starting it so early, particularly that first 30mins, dented its rating quite a lot.”
It was a particularly weak celebrity line up on Pointless last night. Imagine what they could have done with it had it been promoted properly with bigger star names?
Early indications are that weather turning cooler and wetter for next weekend after a warm week for much of England.
(West Scotland looks as though it might be submerged by then though- its a great place to visit but my word it does get the rain)
(West Scotland looks as though it might be submerged by then though- its a great place to visit but my word it does get the rain)
That Puppet rating is awful, even at 5:15pm, repeats of You've Been Framed get double that in the middle of a heat wave, even the early evening news would get higher than 1m. From being a major hyped up format to 1m at teatime in 3 weeks.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Ah OK. I wasn't suggesting you were spinning, by the way. The rest of your post made that clear.”
“Ah OK. I wasn't suggesting you were spinning, by the way. The rest of your post made that clear.
”
Thanks.
Just shows how careful you have to be posting on here in this environment.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“It was a particularly weak celebrity line up on Pointless last night. Imagine what they could have done with it had it been promoted properly with bigger star names?”
“It was a particularly weak celebrity line up on Pointless last night. Imagine what they could have done with it had it been promoted properly with bigger star names?”
The day BBC1 starts properly promoting Pointless Celebrities is the day you know the cupboard is completely bare on BBC1 Saturday nights.
The celeb line ups on Pointless are never particularly strong anyway. 8 celebs per show and having to have some sort of decent knowledge not be an embarassment takes its toll.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“It was a particularly weak celebrity line up on Pointless last night. Imagine what they could have done with it had it been promoted properly with bigger star names?”
“It was a particularly weak celebrity line up on Pointless last night. Imagine what they could have done with it had it been promoted properly with bigger star names?”
You're absolutely right: a load of chefs I've never heard of apart from Rustie Lee and AWT. Next week there's this lot which should definitely be more entertaining:
Quote:
“Oliver and James Phelps, Peter Purves and John Noakes, Janet Street-Porter and Christopher Biggins, and Ricky Groves and Natalie Cassidy.”
“Oliver and James Phelps, Peter Purves and John Noakes, Janet Street-Porter and Christopher Biggins, and Ricky Groves and Natalie Cassidy.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03b38j5
No doubt they made sure there was a better episode leading into the Strictly premiere.
They should've put Stepping Out on a Sunday to let it establish itself away from any competition. From what I watched it seemed an alright show and the figures are respectable but there is just too much in its way in the coming weeks for it to become a hit. If it stays around 3-4m then ITV might give it a second throw of the dice in January 2015 when they no longer have Dancing on Ice (unless the rumours of it carrying on are true). It might work, it might not. ITV have previously tried that when Popstar to Operastar got a modest 4m on a Friday night, then held the second series back for 18 months in a completely new slot but it failed to work on that occasion.
9.2m for X Factor is a solid start and comfortably up on last year. If we're honest it could have done a little better, but it was mainly let down by a poor advertising campaign (in terms of content, not volume). Reviews about the new panel and format are generally positive so there should be a fair indication from tonights show how it will perform over the whole series. This one could do well with word of mouth, as it has in the past particularly when Cheryl joined and the auditions moved into the arena. .
Through The Keyhole appears to have done well for what it is (I can't imagine the budget is much different to Celebrity Juice) so that could end up becoming the surprise hit of the autumn.
9.2m for X Factor is a solid start and comfortably up on last year. If we're honest it could have done a little better, but it was mainly let down by a poor advertising campaign (in terms of content, not volume). Reviews about the new panel and format are generally positive so there should be a fair indication from tonights show how it will perform over the whole series. This one could do well with word of mouth, as it has in the past particularly when Cheryl joined and the auditions moved into the arena. .
Through The Keyhole appears to have done well for what it is (I can't imagine the budget is much different to Celebrity Juice) so that could end up becoming the surprise hit of the autumn.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“That Puppet rating is awful, even at 5:15pm, repeats of You've Been Framed get double that in the middle of a heat wave, even the early evening news would get higher than 1m. From being a major hyped up format to 1m at teatime in 3 weeks.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.”
“That Puppet rating is awful, even at 5:15pm, repeats of You've Been Framed get double that in the middle of a heat wave, even the early evening news would get higher than 1m. From being a major hyped up format to 1m at teatime in 3 weeks.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.”
The BBC actually have a really good family game show for early Saturday nights. It's called "Copy Cats" and is actually quite addictive! Trouble is the BBC wouldn't be able to notice if there was a giraffe in the toilet.
Originally Posted by jackc1806:
“Surely the lowest CBB figure ever with an abysmal 1.37milion?”
“Surely the lowest CBB figure ever with an abysmal 1.37milion?”
Pretty sure all CBB10 Saturdays were the same. I always ignore Saturday ratings. They show no indication on the ratings for BB.
Originally Posted by LW09:
“Through The Keyhole appears to have done well for what it is (I can't imagine the budget is much different to Celebrity Juice) so that could end up becoming the surprise hit of the autumn.”
“Through The Keyhole appears to have done well for what it is (I can't imagine the budget is much different to Celebrity Juice) so that could end up becoming the surprise hit of the autumn.”
I think Through The Keyhole will diminish a few of the audience once BBC1 kick starts its Autumn Saturday night.
BBC1 this Autumn will show Strictly, followed by Atlantis, followed by Casualty followed by brand new Live From The Apollo (recordings taking place the week after next) then the Lottery draws. A much stronger line up which also suggests why Michael McIntryre repeats are being shown. People would not necessarily know that new Apollo shows are new if they repeat them now!
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“That's a brilliant figure for Through The Keyhole IMO.”
“That's a brilliant figure for Through The Keyhole IMO.”
It is.
Switched off after 10 minutes though; I miss the old theme and shamlessly expected Grossman to say, "Who lives in a house like this?"
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I think Through The Keyhole will diminish a few of the audience once BBC1 kick starts its Autumn Saturday night.
BBC1 this Autumn will show Strictly, followed by Atlantis, followed by Casualty followed by brand new Live From The Apollo (recordings taking place the week after next) then the Lottery draws. A much stronger line up which also suggests why Michael McIntryre repeats are being shown. People would not necessarily know that new Apollo shows are new if they repeat them now!”
“I think Through The Keyhole will diminish a few of the audience once BBC1 kick starts its Autumn Saturday night.
BBC1 this Autumn will show Strictly, followed by Atlantis, followed by Casualty followed by brand new Live From The Apollo (recordings taking place the week after next) then the Lottery draws. A much stronger line up which also suggests why Michael McIntryre repeats are being shown. People would not necessarily know that new Apollo shows are new if they repeat them now!”
I can't see BBC or ITV shows affecting each other at that time. Casualty and Live From The Apollo tend to get anything from 3-5m which is a fair figure but aren't juggernaut figures, and the demographics for Through the Keyhole will probably skew younger and female (more so against Apollo). Over the next few weeks, Celebrity Big Brother is probably more of a threat.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“What television actually needs is another Simon Cowell - not in the nasty judge mould but someone who like it or not can come along and launch a couple of big formats which will drive TV entertainment for the next few years, not just with their shows but also the shows they inspire. Until that person comes along I'm afraid it'll probably still be Simon Cowell whose face you want to smash in.”
“What television actually needs is another Simon Cowell - not in the nasty judge mould but someone who like it or not can come along and launch a couple of big formats which will drive TV entertainment for the next few years, not just with their shows but also the shows they inspire. Until that person comes along I'm afraid it'll probably still be Simon Cowell whose face you want to smash in.”
A couple of years ago, Cheryl Cole probably could've been such a figure. If they managed to keep her on X Factor and her popularity was still high then she would've been a great coup for them to launch formats like Stepping Out with.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“The BBC actually have a really good family game show for early Saturday nights. It's called "Copy Cats" and is actually quite addictive! [bTrouble] is the BBC wouldn't be able to notice if there was a giraffe in the toilet.[/b]”
“The BBC actually have a really good family game show for early Saturday nights. It's called "Copy Cats" and is actually quite addictive! [bTrouble] is the BBC wouldn't be able to notice if there was a giraffe in the toilet.[/b]”
This is without doubt my favourite ever post on this thread. I'm still chuckling.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“When you look at the Stepping Out share it's maybe not so bad but that will have been boosted by early arrivals for X Factor and it has Strictly's launch party to contend with next week so it's nowhere near enough.”
“When you look at the Stepping Out share it's maybe not so bad but that will have been boosted by early arrivals for X Factor and it has Strictly's launch party to contend with next week so it's nowhere near enough.”
To be fair the early start probably hampered it as much as X Factor helped it so they balance each other out. It's an OK-ish launch but Strictly's launch will kill it next week though as you've said.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“That Puppet rating is awful, even at 5:15pm, repeats of You've Been Framed get double that in the middle of a heat wave, even the early evening news would get higher than 1m. From being a major hyped up format to 1m at teatime in 3 weeks.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.”
“That Puppet rating is awful, even at 5:15pm, repeats of You've Been Framed get double that in the middle of a heat wave, even the early evening news would get higher than 1m. From being a major hyped up format to 1m at teatime in 3 weeks.
Through the Keyhole launched very well, must be the best post XF show (excluding I'm a celeb) for a while.”
That Puppet Game Show has a bad title, was given a bad trailer and the backstage sketches should have been sharper. I never expected it to do worse than Don't Scare The Hare! It's much better than that.
I don't know if this affects things but Through The Keyhole definitely started at 9.23pm, not 9.20pm (unless my Virgin Tivo box was wrong last night when I looked at the clock).
Sad news about Sir David Frost. Chilling timing too - reminds me of when my Uncle's first wife died on his second wedding day.
In other news, I'm now really confused by the reception of That Puppet Game Show. I still really like it. Obviously the jump to earlier in the evening will have hurt it although to be honest I'm not convinced it wouldn't have hit that level even after 6pm.
Guess it puts the old 'BBC One has a default audience who'll tune in for anything' debate to bed once and for all though.
In other news, I'm now really confused by the reception of That Puppet Game Show. I still really like it. Obviously the jump to earlier in the evening will have hurt it although to be honest I'm not convinced it wouldn't have hit that level even after 6pm.
Guess it puts the old 'BBC One has a default audience who'll tune in for anything' debate to bed once and for all though.
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