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Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“My copy of My Man Jeeves is from 1973. I can't remember where I got it, but all the page bottoms are serrated as if cut with pinking shears, and the first dozen or so are about an inch shorter than all the rest. It may well have been a reject that found its way to my shelves via my friend Barbara who's father worked for Allen Lane ”

I have never come across it anywhere.
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“All in vein.”

Patients is a virtue....aorta go now...
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“I have never come across it anywhere.”

just for you
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“Patients is a virtue....aorta go now...”

So lung!
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“just for you”

Thanks. I bought all mine in the 1970s and it was not out in Penguin then.
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“definitely add to your reading list!!!

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell is great!!!! i'm almost jealous you are reading it for the first time!! Neil Gaiman was very supportive of Susanna Clarke apparently”

I only recently found Neil Gaiman thanks to a daughter, and then her OH put me on to Orson Scott Card.
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“I only recently found Neil Gaiman thanks to a daughter, and then her OH put me on to Orson Scott Card.”

oh god not the dreaded OSC
Ender's Game is the worst book i have ever read
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“oh god not the dreaded OSC
Ender's Game is the worst book i have ever read ”

"I wanted to like Ender's Game. I really did. It's a wonder that even after more than halfway into the book, I still clung on to the foolishly optimistic notion that the book would somehow redeem itself. That it would end up justifying the tedious, repetitive, drearily dull chapters I trundled through over the course of several days (which is unusual, since I'm generally a fast reader).

It pains me to say it, as a hardcore fangirl of science fiction, that one of sci-fi's most beloved and highly regarded novels did not do it for me. Actually, that is understating it. While I'm at it, I'll just duck and blurt it out: I loathed Ender's Game.

Deep breaths. Let that sink in. Let the hate flow through you. Good, strike me down...I am unarmed.

Okay. Now let's get to it.

Was it because the expectations I had in my mind were unreasonably high and thus were responsible for ruining the book for me? No way. I make no bones about the fact that Ender's Game, regardless of the respect and popularity it commands in sci-fi circles, is an inherently bad novel.

Why, though, you might ask. Why such vitriol for the book? Here you are, then.

1) Bad plotting: It didn't take me long to realise that after I was past Ender's arrival at the Battle School, every - literally every chapter thereon until his return to Earth - was more or less the same thing. Battle games, beating the shit out of kids, battle games, switching back and forth to Armies, battle games. It was so repetitive that I was exhausted at the end of every.single.chapter. Page after page after page of six year old, seven year old, eight year old Ender and his buddies zooming about in ships trying to freeze one another's socks off. Wheeee!

2) Lack of characterisation: There are no personalities. There are no motivations. You never learn anything about the characters except that they are the good guys or the bad guys. Ender is brilliant at everything. He NEVER loses. Not once. Bernard, Stilson and Co. are the bad guys. They're evil baddies cause dey r jealuz of ender's brilliance omg!!! That's it. No background, no depth, no internal conflicts. No motivation. Words cannot express how two-dimensional and woefully lacking in personality the characters are.

3) Demosthenes and Locke. What the heck was that all about? I appreciate Card's prescience about the 'Nets' and blogging before it was around, but come on, this is pushing it a bit too far. How, I beg you, how are we supposed to take the idea that a pair of kids end up taking the world by posting in online forums and blogging?

As if we people of the internet didn't have enough delusions of grandeur already.

4) Now, this really gets my goat:I had to wait for the last 20 pages to get information that was of any worth to the story at all. I'm talking about Mazer's Rackham explaning [spoilers removed] to Ender. As for the 'twist ending': I honestly, and I mean, honestly did not find that riveting. It was predictable and, worse, did not justify all that I had to read to make my way to the end.

5)Also: It was hard to feel for Ender. I say this as a high-school nerd in my own day, as the reviled and hated and made-fun-of socially awkward kid who wanted to be good at whatever they did. But that doesn't make me any more sympathetic to Ender. Honestly, I fail to see what's so great about Ender anyway. I am so infuriated at Card for this. Apart from Ender's claim to intelligence (which is never completely explained, by the way) there is nothing, NOTHING, that is worth justifying him as the protagonist of one of scifi's supposedly best books ever. Yes, he loves his sister Valentine. Yes, he doesn't want to hurt people. Yes, he goes ahead and does it anyway. Again and again. [spoilers removed]

I am rarely so caustic about the books I read, but this time I feel I am justified in doing so. I had such hopes for this book. Not impossibly high or anything. At the very least, I had expected to like it, you know? I remember, as I worked my way past chapters 4,5,7,10,14...I expected it to get better. I expected myself to be mistaken at the initial dissatisfaction, then incredulity, then mild annoyance and then a string of sad sighs and resignation to dislike. Alas, I wasn't mistaken. I felt betrayed. I thought this book was right up there with those 'kindred ones', you know? The sort of books you can come back to again and again. Instead, what I got was a bad plotline, progressively unrealistic plot developments, and a cast of flat, lifeless, unpleasant characters to boot. Ender's Game, how I wish I had loved you. Why did you forsake me thus."
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“ >snipped for brevity<”

i didn't actually write that review but it speaks for me...

Ender's Game was so bad it actually made me angry, something that has never happened before or since when reading a book. It was only after reading a psychiatrist's treatise on why it was liked, did i understand the person who raved about it and told me to read it.

It is a benchmark for awful. about 100 pages of 6 year old boys' tactics for war with no pay off or point....this "It's a wonder that even after more than halfway into the book, I still clung on to the foolishly optimistic notion that the book would somehow redeem itself. That it would end up justifying the tedious, repetitive, drearily dull chapters I trundled through" sums it up.

"Utterly dreadful self indulgent wank" is how i would review it.
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“oh god not the dreaded OSC
Ender's Game is the worst book i have ever read ”



It's not the worst I've read

The Shadow series was just more of the same from Bean's point of view :yawn:

I did enjoy Xenocide, though.
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“i didn't actually write that review but it speaks for me...

Ender's Game was so bad it actually made me angry, something that has never happened before or since when reading a book. It was only after reading a psychiatrist's treatise on why it was liked, did i understand the person who raved about it and told me to read it.

It is a benchmark for awful. about 100 pages of 6 year old boys' tactics for war with no pay off or point....this "It's a wonder that even after more than halfway into the book, I still clung on to the foolishly optimistic notion that the book would somehow redeem itself. That it would end up justifying the tedious, repetitive, drearily dull chapters I trundled through" sums it up.

"Utterly dreadful self indulgent wank" is how i would review it.”


Glad it has passed me by. Took that review from the Good Reads app. Most of the others were in agreement.
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“"I wanted to like Ender's Game. I really did. It's a wonder that even after more than halfway into the book, I still clung on to the foolishly optimistic notion that the book would somehow redeem itself. That it would end up justifying the tedious, repetitive, drearily dull chapters I trundled through over the course of several days (which is unusual, since I'm generally a fast reader).

It pains me to say it, as a hardcore fangirl of science fiction, that one of sci-fi's most beloved and highly regarded novels did not do it for me. Actually, that is understating it. While I'm at it, I'll just duck and blurt it out: I loathed Ender's Game.

Deep breaths. Let that sink in. Let the hate flow through you. Good, strike me down...I am unarmed.

Okay. Now let's get to it.

Was it because the expectations I had in my mind were unreasonably high and thus were responsible for ruining the book for me? No way. I make no bones about the fact that Ender's Game, regardless of the respect and popularity it commands in sci-fi circles, is an inherently bad novel.

Why, though, you might ask. Why such vitriol for the book? Here you are, then.

1) Bad plotting: It didn't take me long to realise that after I was past Ender's arrival at the Battle School, every - literally every chapter thereon until his return to Earth - was more or less the same thing. Battle games, beating the shit out of kids, battle games, switching back and forth to Armies, battle games. It was so repetitive that I was exhausted at the end of every.single.chapter. Page after page after page of six year old, seven year old, eight year old Ender and his buddies zooming about in ships trying to freeze one another's socks off. Wheeee!

2) Lack of characterisation: There are no personalities. There are no motivations. You never learn anything about the characters except that they are the good guys or the bad guys. Ender is brilliant at everything. He NEVER loses. Not once. Bernard, Stilson and Co. are the bad guys. They're evil baddies cause dey r jealuz of ender's brilliance omg!!! That's it. No background, no depth, no internal conflicts. No motivation. Words cannot express how two-dimensional and woefully lacking in personality the characters are.

3) Demosthenes and Locke. What the heck was that all about? I appreciate Card's prescience about the 'Nets' and blogging before it was around, but come on, this is pushing it a bit too far. How, I beg you, how are we supposed to take the idea that a pair of kids end up taking the world by posting in online forums and blogging?

As if we people of the internet didn't have enough delusions of grandeur already.

4) Now, this really gets my goat:I had to wait for the last 20 pages to get information that was of any worth to the story at all. I'm talking about Mazer's Rackham explaning [spoilers removed] to Ender. As for the 'twist ending': I honestly, and I mean, honestly did not find that riveting. It was predictable and, worse, did not justify all that I had to read to make my way to the end.

5)Also: It was hard to feel for Ender. I say this as a high-school nerd in my own day, as the reviled and hated and made-fun-of socially awkward kid who wanted to be good at whatever they did. But that doesn't make me any more sympathetic to Ender. Honestly, I fail to see what's so great about Ender anyway. I am so infuriated at Card for this. Apart from Ender's claim to intelligence (which is never completely explained, by the way) there is nothing, NOTHING, that is worth justifying him as the protagonist of one of scifi's supposedly best books ever. Yes, he loves his sister Valentine. Yes, he doesn't want to hurt people. Yes, he goes ahead and does it anyway. Again and again. [spoilers removed]

I am rarely so caustic about the books I read, but this time I feel I am justified in doing so. I had such hopes for this book. Not impossibly high or anything. At the very least, I had expected to like it, you know? I remember, as I worked my way past chapters 4,5,7,10,14...I expected it to get better. I expected myself to be mistaken at the initial dissatisfaction, then incredulity, then mild annoyance and then a string of sad sighs and resignation to dislike. Alas, I wasn't mistaken. I felt betrayed. I thought this book was right up there with those 'kindred ones', you know? The sort of books you can come back to again and again. Instead, what I got was a bad plotline, progressively unrealistic plot developments, and a cast of flat, lifeless, unpleasant characters to boot. Ender's Game, how I wish I had loved you. Why did you forsake me thus."”

Calm down Dear

Deleting books off a kindle is sooooo much easier than parting with paper
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“Calm down Dear

Deleting books off a kindle is sooooo much easier than parting with paper”

You can ignite them with a Kindle Fire!
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“Glad it has passed me by. Took that review from the Good Reads app. Most of the others were in agreement.”

you are soooooo lucky not to have read it!!
i'm so pleased you don't adore it!!!
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“You can ignite them with a Kindle Fire!”

Is there an app that kills silverfish?
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“Calm down Dear

Deleting books off a kindle is sooooo much easier than parting with paper”

i live in a kindle free world but i know the feeling about parting with books i still have my copy of EG....if anyone wants to traumatise themselves...
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“you are soooooo lucky not to have read it!!
i'm so pleased you don't adore it!!!”

The ender that.

Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“Is there an app that kills silverfish?”

Zapp!
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“i live in a kindle free world but i know the feeling about parting with books i still have my copy of EG....if anyone wants to traumatise themselves...”

Haven't you got a wonky table it can prop up?

The good thing about the Fire is that you can go on the web and fire puns!
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fink-Nottle:
“Haven't you got a wonky table it can prop up?”

damn my even legged furniture
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“you are soooooo lucky not to have read it!!
i'm so pleased you don't adore it!!!”

*Adore* is not in my vocabulary

I've only come across OSC in the last month; I don't know if it is because there is now a film of Ender's Game that it has come to my Son-i-L's notice, or if he was aware of it before. Most of my paper SF is pre 1980.
Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“i live in a kindle free world but i know the feeling about parting with books i still have my copy of EG....if anyone wants to traumatise themselves...”

Cherry Hatrick
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by planets:
“damn my even legged furniture”

Try book carving?
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“Try book carving?”

Think it is a case of book craving.
Fink-Nottle
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“*Adore* is not in my vocabulary”

Must be draughty with no doors!
planets
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cherry Hatrick:
“*Adore* is not in my vocabulary”

that's good i can tick you off my Which Poster is Really Charlie Travers list

Quote:
“I've only come across OSC in the last month; I don't know if it is because there is now a film of Ender's Game that it has come to my Son-i-L's notice, or if he was aware of it before. Most of my paper SF is pre 1980.”

the film is a probable reason why it has gained attention once again....there is a big furore in the usa about OSC and possible boycotting of the film due to his views on homosexuality.

his views surprise me with all the weird description of naked boys fighting and soaping each other up i had to wade through.
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