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Freeview PVR’s - Sony RDR HXD-710 and RDR HXD-910 (merged)
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JBlink
15-10-2005
Originally Posted by lucid:
“Thats very disappointing..sony are barmy some of us still have some old tellys without a scart! using a portable in the bedroom only RF in. Ok if you gave a digital tuner but why no RF out? so if you play a DVD or from Hd nothing out of the Rf bar the input RF, crazy. This is the clincher for me I'm afraid I will not buy it cos of this or may get the Euro version with analogue tuner assuming it gives output from the RF, does it anyone know?

Thx 4 yr answers BTW
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Totally agree it should O/P on RF, but if you are going to purchase a £500 recorder I suggest budgetting an extra £50 for a TV with a scart
aldaweb
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by lucid:
“Thats very disappointing..sony are barmy some of us still have some old tellys without a scart! using a portable in the bedroom only RF in. Ok if you gave a digital tuner but why no RF out? so if you play a DVD or from Hd nothing out of the Rf bar the input RF, crazy. This is the clincher for me I'm afraid I will not buy it cos of this or may get the Euro version with analogue tuner assuming it gives output from the RF, does it anyone know?

Thx 4 yr answers BTW
”

Most if not all DVD players have no RF output so why would you expect it on a recorder? The predecessor HX900 I have has no RF output so I doubt the Euro version would have.
If it's that important get the Panasonic which does have a modulator but picture quality is never going to be as good as through the scart.
mf7
16-10-2005
My 710 was delivered on Friday and so far I am really pleased with it.

I've got my head around most of the HDD functionality, but I'm having a problem with dubbing to DVD.

I popped in to Currys yesterday and bought a pack of blank DVD-R disks.

When I put any of them into my 710, after the "Loading. Please Wait" message I get a "Cannot play this disc" message on the screen and a "DISC ERROR" message on the front panel.

I've tried 5 different disks from the pack and the same thing happens.

Any ideas? Could it be a duff batch of disks, or is there a problem with my 710? The disks are Packard Bell DVD-R 1-4x speed.

I'm a newbie to DVD recording so maybe I'm doing something wrong.....? I'm really hoping its not a problem with the 710, as I don't want to be separated from it so soon!

Many thanks in advance for your help!
planetnokia
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by mf7:
“My 710 was delivered on Friday and so far I am really pleased with it.

I've got my head around most of the HDD functionality, but I'm having a problem with dubbing to DVD.

I popped in to Currys yesterday and bought a pack of blank DVD-R disks.

When I put any of them into my 710, after the "Loading. Please Wait" message I get a "Cannot play this disc" message on the screen and a "DISC ERROR" message on the front panel.

I've tried 5 different disks from the pack and the same thing happens.

Any ideas? Could it be a duff batch of disks, or is there a problem with my 710? The disks are Packard Bell DVD-R 1-4x speed.

I'm a newbie to DVD recording so maybe I'm doing something wrong.....? I'm really hoping its not a problem with the 710, as I don't want to be separated from it so soon!

Many thanks in advance for your help!”

You have spent your hard earned cash on a high quality, high spec, high price piece of electronics so why are you trying to burn naff old PB DVDs with it.

Fork out for TDK!
lucid
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by aldaweb:
“Most if not all DVD players have no RF output so why would you expect it on a recorder? The predecessor HX900 I have has no RF output so I doubt the Euro version would have.
If it's that important get the Panasonic which does have a modulator but picture quality is never going to be as good as through the scart.”

Yes I understand all that and am aware of RF and is limitations. But surely if it has an analogue tuner it must have RF output. Scart is fine for a small number of devices, but when you have several devices...2 sat boxes (uk and foreign), freeview, cable, VCRs and then adding DVD/HD recorder, there are never enough inputs/outputs. As I would want to be able to record from/to all devices. Its a nightmare to connect as some devices seem to take over on the scart etc.

I suppose the solution is to get a multiple patchbay, but i also want to send the signal around the house. I can do this easily with RF as long as I seperate the frequencies and isolate cables the pictures I get are excellent. And all I have to do is tune the telly into each different device channel. The quality is good enough for watching around the house and if I really wanted superior quality I could get component or composite BNC connectors as opposed to kaky scart, as we use in broadcast.
fredjm31
16-10-2005
Hello everybody.

I have just a quick question on the RDR HXD 710 :
What are the different recording modes and their associated recording time on HDD ?
Are they the same than for the RDR HX*not-D* 710 (HQ : 33 hours, HSP : 51 hours, SP : 67 hours, ...) ?

I would be very pleased if someone having this machine could take a quick look at the manual and give me an answer.

Thank you for advance.
sandcat
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by mf7:
“My 710 was delivered on Friday and so far I am really pleased with it.

I've got my head around most of the HDD functionality, but I'm having a problem with dubbing to DVD.

I popped in to Currys yesterday and bought a pack of blank DVD-R disks.

When I put any of them into my 710, after the "Loading. Please Wait" message I get a "Cannot play this disc" message on the screen and a "DISC ERROR" message on the front panel.

I've tried 5 different disks from the pack and the same thing happens.

Any ideas? Could it be a duff batch of disks, or is there a problem with my 710? The disks are Packard Bell DVD-R 1-4x speed.

I'm a newbie to DVD recording so maybe I'm doing something wrong.....? I'm really hoping its not a problem with the 710, as I don't want to be separated from it so soon!

Many thanks in advance for your help!”

Don't know off hand. I bought Memorex x8 -R discs on a spindle (no cases) and have had absolutely no problems with them. Just dubbed onto another one this morning (ps A-B delete is a simple and great feature for getting rid of adverts etc.). When I put a new disc in it does say loading please wait, then goes on to formatting for a short time and then everything is OK.

You could try a different disc - it may do the trick. I haven't tried any real cheapies (although the memorex were cheap it was still a name I know and have some respect for). It may be worth it as if you ring up your supplier they may just say the same thing to stall you. At least you could say you've tried that and then they'll have to think seriously about it.

Let us know how you get on.
lucid
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by fredjm31:
“Hello everybody.

I have just a quick question on the RDR HXD 710 :
What are the different recording modes and their associated recording time on HDD ?
Are they the same than for the RDR HX*not-D* 710 (HQ : 33 hours, HSP : 51 hours, SP : 67 hours, ...) ?

I would be very pleased if someone having this machine could take a quick look at the manual and give me an answer.

Thank you for advance.”

try here followed links from sony uk

http://www.sonydigital-link.com/Shar...2589942E21.pdf

http://www.sonydigital-link.com/Shar...2590808E21.pdf

http://www.sonydigital-link.com/Shar...2629954R11.pdf

http://www.sonydigital-link.com/Shar...2649711011.pdf
Fantasio
16-10-2005
Can I ask a stupid question :
When buying online the Sony HXD-710, what do you do if you have a problem with it and need to send it back ?
fredjm31
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by lucid:
“try here followed links from sony uk”

Thank you, but all these docs are about RDR-HX*not-D* [579]10. There is nothing about RDR-HX*D* [579]10.
aldaweb
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by mf7:
“My 710 was delivered on Friday and so far I am really pleased with it.

I've got my head around most of the HDD functionality, but I'm having a problem with dubbing to DVD.

I popped in to Currys yesterday and bought a pack of blank DVD-R disks.

When I put any of them into my 710, after the "Loading. Please Wait" message I get a "Cannot play this disc" message on the screen and a "DISC ERROR" message on the front panel.

I've tried 5 different disks from the pack and the same thing happens.

Any ideas? Could it be a duff batch of disks, or is there a problem with my 710? The disks are Packard Bell DVD-R 1-4x speed.

I'm a newbie to DVD recording so maybe I'm doing something wrong.....? I'm really hoping its not a problem with the 710, as I don't want to be separated from it so soon!

Many thanks in advance for your help!”

Silly question:- you are putting them in label side up aren't you?
My HX900 has taken every disk I've tried in it so I doubt it's the disks. Have you tried any other brand of disks? My Comet near to work has Drums of 25 -RW for £9.99 which seem OK as do the Tesco own brand and Mr. DVD. I archive time shifted programs to them to watch on my laptop at work between service calls. If you get a drum get a pack of paper or poly sleeves to store the disks.
As you say the 710 was delivered I presume it was couriered and so something may have been dislodged in transit.
aldaweb
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by fredjm31:
“Thank you, but all these docs are about RDR-HX*not-D* [579]10. There is nothing about RDR-HX*D* [579]10.”

The recording modes are the same on the 510/710/910 regardless of the tuner system and with the exception of SEP are the same on the previous generation 900/100
aldaweb
16-10-2005
Originally Posted by lucid:
“Yes I understand all that and am aware of RF and is limitations. But surely if it has an analogue tuner it must have RF output. Scart is fine for a small number of devices, but when you have several devices...2 sat boxes (uk and foreign), freeview, cable, VCRs and then adding DVD/HD recorder, there are never enough inputs/outputs. As I would want to be able to record from/to all devices. Its a nightmare to connect as some devices seem to take over on the scart etc.
I suppose the solution is to get a multiple patchbay, but i also want to send the signal around the house. I can do this easily with RF as long as I seperate the frequencies and isolate cables the pictures I get are excellent. And all I have to do is tune the telly into each different device channel. The quality is good enough for watching around the house and if I really wanted superior quality I could get component or composite BNC connectors as opposed to kaky scart, as we use in broadcast.”

Sounds like you need a full blown video mixer and MATV system. If you just want send the output round the home add a modulator. I have used one with an old portable which has no scart to add freeview where there was no RF output.
If you're going to use BNC for video does that mean you'll be using XLR for audio?
eroche
17-10-2005
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in like this in the midst of ur disucssion. I have apace puma twin tuner 450 and a sony 710 HDR. I am very happy with the tuners and dvd recorder. Although I do have an enoying issue. Maybe you can help.
The twin tuner has EPG. And has two outlets (scart) to TV and TV2/VCR. Only the first one (TV) has RGB enabled. The twin tuner , you can plan recordings either via TV or TV2/VCR. It will then enter a recording mode and if you have all the scarts correctly installed, send a signal for the VCR or recorder to initialize the recording. Since RGB is only send via the TV scart cable (the scart cables are of good quality and supports RGB) there are no commmunication between the sony 710 HDR and the tuner. hense no recording. I have ofcourse intitalized the rec sync fucntion of the DVD recorder. If I swap cables and have TV outlet on the tuner go to the recorder instead of the TV, there is a signal send out. And if both apparatus, DVD reorder adn Tuner, are on standby mode, the recording will start. But once the tune has "fisnished " its recording, the recorder still continues to record. So no end signal. I have the latest firmware of the PUma device 1.8.7. has anyone solved the matters between a DVD harddisk recorder and satelitte tuner? Any support is welcome. If u need more info, please let me know. Thanks
DVD recorder: sony rdr-hx710
Tuner: Pace Puma DVR501
fbz1501
17-10-2005
Originally Posted by eroche:
“Hi All,
Sorry to jump in like this in the midst of ur disucssion. I have apace puma twin tuner 450 and a sony 710 HDR. I am very happy with the tuners and dvd recorder. Although I do have an enoying issue. Maybe you can help.
The twin tuner has EPG. And has two outlets (scart) to TV and TV2/VCR. Only the first one (TV) has RGB enabled. The twin tuner , you can plan recordings either via TV or TV2/VCR. It will then enter a recording mode and if you have all the scarts correctly installed, send a signal for the VCR or recorder to initialize the recording. Since RGB is only send via the TV scart cable (the scart cables are of good quality and supports RGB) there are no commmunication between the sony 710 HDR and the tuner. hense no recording. I have ofcourse intitalized the rec sync fucntion of the DVD recorder. If I swap cables and have TV outlet on the tuner go to the recorder instead of the TV, there is a signal send out. And if both apparatus, DVD reorder adn Tuner, are on standby mode, the recording will start. But once the tune has "fisnished " its recording, the recorder still continues to record. So no end signal. I have the latest firmware of the PUma device 1.8.7. has anyone solved the matters between a DVD harddisk recorder and satelitte tuner? Any support is welcome. If u need more info, please let me know. Thanks
DVD recorder: sony rdr-hx710
Tuner: Pace Puma DVR501”

I am thinking of the same problem if i keep Sky and get a 710. I know it has some smartlink feature. But iI am unsure if my Thomas Sky box will auto activate the 710 based on the autoview/series link options.
Also i think that any sort of smartlink would only work if sky scart 2 to 710 was used, which wouldn't give me an RGB recording qualitey.

I think you will have to manually set the 710 to match the STB/Sky boxe?

Hopefully i'm wrong and there is a way sky can be linked to the 710 to give you simple touch easy Sky + like recoding?
mf7
17-10-2005
Originally Posted by sandcat:
“Don't know off hand. I bought Memorex x8 -R discs on a spindle (no cases) and have had absolutely no problems with them. Just dubbed onto another one this morning (ps A-B delete is a simple and great feature for getting rid of adverts etc.). When I put a new disc in it does say loading please wait, then goes on to formatting for a short time and then everything is OK.

You could try a different disc - it may do the trick. I haven't tried any real cheapies (although the memorex were cheap it was still a name I know and have some respect for). It may be worth it as if you ring up your supplier they may just say the same thing to stall you. At least you could say you've tried that and then they'll have to think seriously about it.

Let us know how you get on.”

Just popped out and bought a pack of Sony DVD-R. Nervously put them in the machine.....and they work!

So it turns out it was a problem with the disks, not the machine - phew! Many thanks for your advice. I found this thread really helpful when deciding to buy the 710, and you've come through again!

On an unrelated topic, I have a pack of brand new Packard Bell DVD-Rs if anyone is interested..........
fbz1501
17-10-2005
One more question.....

Is there anyway i can send the 710's siganl round my house?
As i currenty have a 2nd cable from sky to my upstairs bedroom giving me a digi link and allowing me to change sky over. I think it is a standard aerial cable, although it does have some power as it operates with a infared control upstairs.

If i was to get rid of sky could i somehow use this cable to watch what ever the 710 is doing upstairs, obviously i wouldn't be able to change stations but i can live with that.

Any help would be appreciated.
doverrog
17-10-2005
Anyone seen a better price that this for the 910 yet?
://www.leconcepts.com/dvd/sydvd.htm#rdrhx910
£599 with free UK delivery sounds as though prices are moving. Anyone dealt with this company?
Eddie321
17-10-2005
Originally Posted by mf7:
“Just popped out and bought a pack of Sony DVD-R. Nervously put them in the machine.....and they work!

So it turns out it was a problem with the disks, not the machine - phew! Many thanks for your advice. I found this thread really helpful when deciding to buy the 710, and you've come through again!

On an unrelated topic, I have a pack of brand new Packard Bell DVD-Rs if anyone is interested.......... ”

Stick empty cotton reels to them with super glue. Blow up a balloon and attach to the cotton reel. Hey presto - Instant Hovercrafts.

On a serious note I have used various DVD-R's = Maxell, Ridata and they have both worked. Also I bought a pack of 10 Sony DVD-R's in slim cases from Asda yesterday for £7.99 = Litle winner.

A question for someone in the know. What makes a recording on the HDD available to dub at high speed. Not all recordings are able to dub at high speed - What's all that about ?
feeder
17-10-2005
Hi there, first post (so don't bite please!)

Another person trying to choose between the Sony or Panasonic models! Don't think anyones asked this yet. Just wondered if anyone with the Sony could let me know if on either the 710 or the 910 what the recording quality to DVDR is like for the LP modes.

I tend to archive a lot off the telly with my Philips DVDR75 from my Pace Twin and Philips' LP quality is rubbish! High compression aside, its mainly because the Philips halves the horizontal resolution to 250ish lines.

The new Panasonic DMREH60 claims to record 4 hours to a DVD at a high horizontal resolution (500ish) wheras (they claim) that other manufacturers do so at a paltry 250line resolution (like my Philips).

I've noticed the Sony's offer VBR (variable bit-rate) recording, would this extend to 4 hours at 500ish lines to a DVDR?
Lengore
17-10-2005
Hi Lucid,

Maplins may have a device to solve your problem, it is a three into one SCART connector:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...ges&doy=search
Eddie321
17-10-2005
Originally Posted by feeder:
“Hi there, first post (so don't bite please!)

Another person trying to choose between the Sony or Panasonic models! Don't think anyones asked this yet. Just wondered if anyone with the Sony could let me know if on either the 710 or the 910 what the recording quality to DVDR is like for the LP modes.

I tend to archive a lot off the telly with my Philips DVDR75 from my Pace Twin and Philips' LP quality is rubbish! High compression aside, its mainly because the Philips halves the horizontal resolution to 250ish lines.

The new Panasonic DMREH60 claims to record 4 hours to a DVD at a high horizontal resolution (500ish) wheras (they claim) that other manufacturers do so at a paltry 250line resolution (like my Philips).

I've noticed the Sony's offer VBR (variable bit-rate) recording, would this extend to 4 hours at 500ish lines to a DVDR?”

I recorded the two sessions of the snooker final yesterday. The first session I recorded in LP and the second session in EP. I did this because of the potential time of the sessions, as it happens it finished early. So I could have got away with LP for both. And also as it happens because I recorded them in this way both sessions are going onto one disc - Little winner.
Before I set off on my travels today I set them both to dub onto a DVD-R. So I'll let you know either later or tomorrow.
The actual recordings on the HDD look very good indeed so I am expecting the dubbed disc to be the same.
Lengore
17-10-2005
The link was compressed by the digital spy software, I'll try again:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...abID=1&C=SEO&U
=SEOsearchPages&doy=search
Lengore
17-10-2005
Sorry it just won't post correctly. However, I'm sure you can browse the Maplin site OK.
cdmackay
17-10-2005
Originally Posted by Lengore:
“Sorry it just won't post correctly. However, I'm sure you can browse the Maplin site OK.”

your first attempt (post #546) works fine for me.
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