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Results:Should Jim Davidson go into the house?
Yes, definitely. He would be a great HM.
151 (41.14%)
No, definitely not.
216 (58.86%)
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Poll: Should Jim Davidson go into the house?
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DavetheSensible
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“The law is the law and not facing further charges would indicate he's innocent of any criminal wrongdoing.”

No.
All it indicates is that the CPS or the police have decided there isn't enough evidence, or strong enough evidence, to have any reasonable chance of a successful prosecution.
B L Zeebub
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“The law is the law and not facing further charges would indicate he's innocent of any criminal wrongdoing.

We won't be seeing him the house so the subject can drop in a few days ”

And yet you've found the women guilty, as well as the police?
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Oh I agree with you there Lux, apart from the BM suggestion.

Older, wiser, smarter and funnier by all means, but nobody of any age who's got a pre-set negative attitude about other people.”

I wasn't suggesting BM would have made a good HM God forbid but he would have certainly raised a few eyebrows

I still find it "amusing" now that I used to watch The Comedians with my parents and not even consider anything was wrong and it was prime time Saturady night TV! Times have changed for the better but a bit of history in the house would make good viewing
missfrizzy
22-08-2013
Would love him to go in the house, he'd have been a much better housemate than than bloated ex rugby player ruddock.

Not that I like JD, I can't stand him, but it would be car crash tv at its best, with someone so outspoken and self opinionated as him in there with all the other egos.
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“And yet you've found the women guilty, as well as the police?”

I've not assumed any guilt or wrongdoing on the part if the accusers or the police, simply that the law (CPS) has decided that the charges should be dropped, therefore declaring JD is innocent (in the eyes of the law). No charges have been brought against the women so they aren't guilty of anything either.
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by DavetheSensible:
“No.
All it indicates is that the CPS or the police have decided there isn't enough evidence, or strong enough evidence, to have any reasonable chance of a successful prosecution.”

So, no charges = no guilt (legally speaking)
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“Would love him to go in the house, he'd have been a much better housemate than than bloated ex rugby player ruddock.

Not that I like JD, I can't stand him, but it would be car crash tv at its best, with someone so outspoken and self opinionated as him in there with all the other egos.”

And car crash TV is why we love BB
B L Zeebub
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“I've not assumed any guilt or wrongdoing on the part if the accusers or the police, simply that the law (CPS) has decided that the charges should be dropped, therefore declaring JD is innocent (in the eyes of the law). No charges have been brought against the women so they aren't guilty of anything either.”

Then, I suggest, you should stop calling the arrest 'wrongful' and the allegations 'false'.
anne_666
22-08-2013
Why not? He is no different to any of the other wannabee and desperate dross they inflict on us.
quirkyquirk
22-08-2013
He comes across as an unpleasant person but I don't think he'd be any worse than the likes of Pete Burns so why not?
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“Then, I suggest, you should stop calling the arrest 'wrongful' and the allegations 'false'.”

I merely use these words as there are no charges to answer to, this being a case I suppose JD could sue for wrongful arrest.

Perhaps to stop antagonizing people I should have said "alleged false allegations and alleged wrongful arrest"

Apologies to all those offended.
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by quirkyquirk:
“He comes across as an unpleasant person but I don't think he'd be any worse than the likes of Pete Burns so why not?”

Pete Burns winds me up much more than JD, as do all the TOWIE, Geordie Shore, Chelsea crowd.
quirkyquirk
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“Pete Burns winds me up much more than JD, as do all the TOWIE, Geordie Shore, Chelsea crowd.”

Exactly.Everytime I think of that disgusting human being I always think of him verbally attacking Tracy Bingham.

I can't speak about anyone from TOWIE and those shows because I avoid them.
B L Zeebub
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“I merely use these words as there are no charges to answer to, this being a case I suppose JD could sue for wrongful arrest.

Perhaps to stop antagonizing people I should have said "alleged false allegations and alleged wrongful arrest"

Apologies to all those offended.”

You are the only one alleging such a thing. Just stick to the charges being dropped and don't cast aspersions on others.
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“You are the only one alleging such a thing. Just stick to the charges being dropped and don't cast aspersions on others.”

That's me told then
B L Zeebub
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“That's me told then ”

I don't want victims of sex attacks to feel even more reluctant to come forward than they do already. There is not always enough evidence to prosecute such cases and that can be soul destroying enough without then accusing victims of making false allegations.

You may feel that your stance is fine, but can you imagine how a victim would feel reading your words?
DavetheSensible
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“So, no charges = no guilt (legally speaking)”

I know 'innocent until proven guilty' (although that is now a statement that the legal system and the public should be ashamed to quote) but 'no charges = no guilt' is actually only true to the extent that the law has not come to a decision.

It's more 'we haven't adjudicated on the charge', and leaves the options open should anything arise later. Less clear than the statement 'we find no charges against the accused', which does get used occasionally as a line drawn.

And before anyone posts - I am neither defending or accusing Jim Davidson here.
Scarlet O'Hara
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by DavetheSensible:
“I know 'innocent until proven guilty' (although that is now a statement that the legal system and the public should be ashamed to quote) but 'no charges = no guilt' is actually only true to the extent that the law has not come to a decision.

It's more 'we haven't adjudicated on the charge', and leaves the options open should anything arise later. Less clear than the statement 'we find no charges against the accused', which does get used occasionally as a line drawn.

And before anyone posts - I am neither defending or accusing Jim Davidson here.”

I can't believe I'm sticking up for Jim Davidson but with or without any charges, he is 'innocent until proven guilty'.

On the other hand, we have definitive proof that he is a racist. And a strong suggestion he's a homophobe. I'm therefore of the opinion that no right-minded media exec should give him airtime in the modern day unless it's to allow others to challenge those beliefs (eg Nick Griffin on Question Time, which was still highly controversial). And I have no trust in the BB producers having that as their intent. They appear to have no interest in doing the 'morally right' thing, as evidenced by their pursuit of entertainment at any cost (provided it doesn't threaten the show).
DavetheSensible
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I can't believe I'm sticking up for Jim Davidson”

Nothing wrong with that, it takes intelligence to look at a problem and see all sides, even when they may not be what you want to see or think about.

Quote:
“#I'm therefore of the opinion that no right-minded media exec should give him airtime in the modern day unless it's to allow others to challenge those beliefs (eg Nick Griffin on Question Time).
#And I have no trust in the BB producers having that as their intent.
#They appear to have no interest in doing the 'morally right' thing, as evidenced by their pursuit of entertainment at any cost (provided it doesn't threaten the show).”

All of these, in buckets full.
Nice post.
HIGHERSTATE
22-08-2013
Racist....

Sexist...

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He'll do well in modern BB
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by HIGHERSTATE:
“Racist....

Sexist...

................

He'll do well in modern BB”

Don't forget misogynist
lux
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“I don't want victims of sex attacks to feel even more reluctant to come forward than they do already. There is not always enough evidence to prosecute such cases and that can be soul destroying enough without then accusing victims of making false allegations.

You may feel that your stance is fine, but can you imagine how a victim would feel reading your words?”

I can equally imagine what it must have been like for poor old JD having the accusations made in the first place and then having them plastered all over the media.

There needs to be some changes made for both alleged victims and alleged perpetrators.
white tigress
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by cola_cola:
“Maybe if Brian goes in there with him, I was looking forward to them meeting last year. ”

B L Zeebub
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by lux:
“I can equally imagine what it must have been like for poor old JD having the accusations made in the first place and then having them plastered all over the media.

There needs to be some changes made for both alleged victims and alleged perpetrators.”

From what I understand, eleven women have come forward with allegations against him. If the police had evidence that these accusations were false they could prosecute them. As it is, the CPS have decided that the cases were not strong enough to take to court and have dropped the charges.

Making false allegations by claiming that these women were making false allegations will do nothing to encourage victims to come forward and will be a backward step in the fight against these sort of crimes. They are notoriously hard to prosecute already.
Sun Tzu.
22-08-2013
Imagine he was lovely and the public really liked him.
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