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Old 23-08-2013, 19:14
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Or maybe not.

When did the plans change?
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:23
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Or maybe not.

When did the plans change?
I don't know, but I'm a bit fed up about it. I was all cosy with my wine and tissues at 7 o'clock, only to be told the Reading thing was on instead.
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:27
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No problem for me, watching this once was more than enough. For those who want to see how companions leaving is done properly and movingly I suggest getting out the DVD of The Green Death instead.
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:27
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I don't know, but I'm a bit fed up about it. I was all cosy with my wine and tissues at 7 o'clock, only to be told the Reading thing was on instead.
Yes, it's annoying

I was all set to Sky+ it so I could watch it till I get the DVD... it's the standout episode of 7A, to me.
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:38
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No problem for me, watching this once was more than enough. For those who want to see how companions leaving is done properly and movingly I suggest getting out the DVD of The Green Death instead.
Great contribution to the thread.
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:46
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I wouldn't have been able to watch it tonight anyway.
Does anyone want to buy a couple of kids?
They come with a free mother. She can't cook or anything, but is good at looking after them and spending money that's not hers

I'd also be willing to trade for a newer model.
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Old 23-08-2013, 19:47
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Great contribution to the thread.
Certainly a lot better than yours.
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Old 23-08-2013, 20:29
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Certainly a lot better than yours.
Meh! Well I liked it (TATM)

So for the sake of discussion, what exactly do you think is wrong with the episode then?
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Old 23-08-2013, 20:35
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No problem for me, watching this once was more than enough. For those who want to see how companions leaving is done properly and movingly I suggest getting out the DVD of The Green Death instead.


Well, if The Green Death were scheduled to be shown, and then was cancelled, I would be equally disappointed, but it wasn't.
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Old 23-08-2013, 20:35
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Meh! Well I liked it (TATM)

So for the sake of discussion, what exactly do you think is wrong with the episode then?
As I said I've only seen it once, so can't remember too much detail, but I found it very forced - "time can be rewritten except if it's written in a book", and the nonsense of the Doctor not being able to go back to visit / rescue the Ponds, as people said at the time why couldn't he just go somewhere else and catch a train. (More evidence, in my opinion, of Moffat making new rules about time up as he goes along.) Plus the ridiculous Statue of Liberty. And overall I just didn't find it a very engaging story.
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Old 23-08-2013, 20:36
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Well, if The Green Death were scheduled to be shown, and then was cancelled, I would be equally disappointed, but it wasn't.
Fair point! (Although I would have been a lot more disappointed!)
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Old 23-08-2013, 20:39
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Fair point! (Although I would have been a lot more disappointed!)
I would have been more disappointed also, as it's a long time since I saw TGD, whereas it's not long since I rewatched TATM. Quality-wise, however, TATM just has the edge imo.

(I agree the reasons for the Doctor being unable to see the Ponds again was a bit rubbish).
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Old 23-08-2013, 22:06
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Its down to be shown next Friday now instead of the bells of st john.
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Old 24-08-2013, 09:37
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As I said I've only seen it once, so can't remember too much detail, but I found it very forced - "time can be rewritten except if it's written in a book", and the nonsense of the Doctor not being able to go back to visit / rescue the Ponds, as people said at the time why couldn't he just go somewhere else and catch a train. (More evidence, in my opinion, of Moffat making new rules about time up as he goes along.) Plus the ridiculous Statue of Liberty. And overall I just didn't find it a very engaging story.
Okay well, Doctor Who is generally a bit "ridiculous" in terms of storyline because it's escapism. But tell me, how can you take the Angels who are mostly statues to Manhattan and not use the Statue of Liberty.

Visually it was very impressive and absolutely engaging! Mistakes might have been made but I still think it was the standout story in a series I was otherwise quite negative about.
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Old 24-08-2013, 10:56
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To be honest, I still can't get why people don't like the whole 'written down in a book so it can't be changed' thing. It's a written down record of events, it's like a history book, you can't change it like that.

A written record of events involving as few people as it did in my mind can't be changed as easily as things like saving that family in Pompeii - many were effected in that and the loss of one family from it all doesn't affect the grand scheme of things. In the Angels Take Manhattan's case, it couldn't be changed because they has to follow what was in the book - it was historical evidence (admittedly in the form of that Melody Malone book) so it just couldn't be changed. They had to follow what the book had laid out for them. If they didn't, then who knows what could have happened? Something very catastrophic probably...

Also, wasn't it mentioned in the episode that the Angels would keep chasing Amy and Rory if they tried to evade them? Is that not a good enough reason for the Doctor to not go back (as well as the amount of damage done to that era of New York from a time perspective) - whatever he would have done, the Angels would have got to Amy and Rory. That couldn't be avoided...they were always going to be taken. To me, the Doctor knew that and had to leave them - even if he could get there to them, the Angels would just keep chasing them. He really couldn't do a thing about it if you ask me....

Anyway, now my take on things is out of the way, I'll look forward to watching this again for next Friday. It was one of the standouts of S7 pt 1 (then again all but a Town Called Mercy in S7 pt 1 was a standout if you ask me) and for the whole series itself. (Nothing overly stood out in S7 pt 2 for me anyway!)
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Old 24-08-2013, 12:42
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Haven't watched it in a while.
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Old 24-08-2013, 12:54
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Still would have prefered a happy exit. Amy and Rory decide to leave to live a "normal" life in ledworth. Guess with river being their daughter they couldn't. Imagine 11 having to explain the library to his in laws. Only mercifull thing about them dying first. Try to imagine them in a nice place. Maybe somehow river managed to find them again. She managed it before in LKH. "took me years to find you i'm so glad i did ".
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Old 30-08-2013, 20:27
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They ran the trailer for the snowmen at the end of tonights episode but are jumping straight to the bells of st john on bbc 3 tomorrow night. The snowmen is a massive episode to miss out on continuity wise. The BBC do the same on the only fools and horses repeats.
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Old 01-09-2013, 20:53
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^It's due to runtime.
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:53
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To be honest, I still can't get why people don't like the whole 'written down in a book so it can't be changed' thing. It's a written down record of events, it's like a history book, you can't change it like that.
And yet in the same episode we're told that the Doctor has been running around the Universe erasing himself from history so he becomes (wait for it...) 'Doctor Who?' *ugh*

Sorry, TATM was nothing but the purest bull****!
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