Three Like Home: New roaming plan (Three UK)

japaul · 09-01-2015, 21:25

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How do you figure that?

Once/if BT buy EE FT will have no involvement with the network (or even the MVNO's like BT Mobile which wasn't what was being discussed).

The previous posts relate to EE being renamed Orange if BT was to purchase it, not BT Mobile.

I suppose he's referring to post completion, Orange will own 4% of BT. That's not really involvement, just an investment. Deutsche Telekom will have influence as apart from ending up with 12% of BT, they will also have a seat on the BT board, but you can guarantee it's not going to be called T-Mobile

Licensing your name to other networks does happen. The situation isn't really like your Pepsi/Coke example as they are not competing e.g. Vodafone have partner networks in which Vodafone has no equity interest but they use the Vodafone name under a branding agreement either partially using the Vodafone name like in the Channel Islands http://airtel-vodafone.com or completely Vodafone branded like in Iceland http://www.vodafone.is

Out of BT/Orange/T-Mobile/EE, I think Orange would be the strongest brand but I don't think it will happen and most likely we'll end up with BT. One reason for this is that BT have said they will still be proceeding with their existing plans to develop a consumer mobile business including quadplay based on the MVNO arrangement with EE (the BT/EE deal will take most of the year to complete) which they will build under the BT name (and the business mobile side has already started). EE can then be absorbed into this.

jchamier · 09-01-2015, 21:43

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Originally Posted by japaul

Out of BT/Orange/T-Mobile/EE, I think Orange would be the strongest brand but I don't think it will happen and most likely we'll end up with BT. One reason for this is that BT have said they will still be proceeding with their existing plans to develop a consumer mobile business including quadplay based on the MVNO arrangement with EE (the BT/EE deal will take most of the year to complete) which they will build under the BT name (and the business mobile side has already started). EE can then be absorbed into this.

What's the chance they could keep the EE brand but use the BT orb colours, or say "A BT group company" ?

japaul · 09-01-2015, 21:51

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Originally Posted by jchamier

What's the chance they could keep the EE brand but use the BT orb colours, or say "A BT group company" ?

I think BEET is more likely than that

Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house?

jchamier · 09-01-2015, 22:07

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Originally Posted by japaul

I think BEET is more likely than that

BEET - love it! Could be beetroot colour

I think BEE TEE is the best forum contribution though!

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Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house?

Ha Ha! The Bacon adverts aren't bad, but they need a new campaign. The BT house is a bit boring, and only covers broadband, so that needs to be refreshed too.

jonmorris · 10-01-2015, 00:32

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Originally Posted by japaul

Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house?

He can have that shed they filled with data.

Gigabit · 10-01-2015, 01:07

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

He can have that shed they filled with data.

What, 500 whole megabytes?

DevonBloke · 10-01-2015, 01:21

That's one BIG shed!

Icaraa · 12-01-2015, 20:07

Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work?

Orbitalzone · 12-01-2015, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Icaraa

Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work?

I certainly didn't have much luck in Paris or Copenhagen city centre when I tried a while back, data is incredibly slow and clearly local users get priority and Three users get a tiny dribble, just enough to use Facebook, email, web, maps and maybe, just maybe, some radio on iplayer (I managed to listen to Radio4 comedy on iplayer when in Denmark) but not get Spotify to work at all.

These were under excellent reception conditions, maximum bars on the phone, good signals, voice etc but the data is clearly very throttled.

Three don't use a VPN back to the UK as far as I know, they just have a roaming agreement in place with numerous other networks.

jonmorris · 12-01-2015, 21:47

I found video streaming slow or sometimes not working at all, but data speeds not terrible. Around 10-12Mbps in Sweden when I go. Not terrible by any means.

Orbitalzone · 12-01-2015, 21:49

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I found video streaming slow or sometimes not working at all, but data speeds not terrible. Around 10-12Mbps in Sweden when I go. Not terrible by any means.

I think speedtests show speeds that should have been fast enough for streaming when in Paris and Copenhagen, it just didn't work and I assume it was throttled for that sort of activity.....maybe while I was there it was just very busy with other Three tourists all hammering the network while they still had their One Plan

Iplayer etc will know you're out of the UK and presumably geo block you from viewing most programming I'd imagine. That was the case with 4OD when I was in the US a year ago, admittedly using Wifi, not Three.

Daveoc64 · 12-01-2015, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Icaraa

Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work?

Theoretically yes.

All roaming traffic is routed back through the UK, so any geographically restricted services will think you are in the UK, not the destination (this is always the case - not just in "Feel at Home" locations).

This can add some quite significant latency to the connection.

Orbitalzone · 13-01-2015, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Daveoc64

Theoretically yes.

All roaming traffic is routed back through the UK, so any geographically restricted services will think you are in the UK, not the destination (this is always the case - not just in "Feel at Home" locations).

This can add some quite significant latency to the connection.

That's interesting to know.... will try this out when next abroad.

japaul · 13-01-2015, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Orbitalzone

That's interesting to know.... will try this out when next abroad.

Certainly worth trying as you always get an IP from your home network. Some apps though will ask the phone for your location and this relies on GPS/wifi/cell id in which case you might be thwarted.

jchamier · 13-01-2015, 23:01

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Originally Posted by japaul

Certainly worth trying as you always get an IP from your home network. Some apps though will ask the phone for your location and this relies on GPS/wifi/cell id in which case you might be thwarted.

I remember when it didn't used to be this way, and you got a local IP from the network you were cellular connected to. I recall being in the USA in 2002 and visiting a show my ip type site that said I was connected to Bellsouth.net and I was on a network called Bellsouth

I assume the growth of prepay data roaming had to change this as the home network couldn't rely on future credit.

Richard_T · 13-01-2015, 23:26

Where next for three like home?
Turkey?
Holland?
Germany?

jabbamk1 · 13-01-2015, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Richard_T

Where next for three like home?
Turkey?
Holland?
Germany?

I've heard that Three had been in discussions with German operators regarding this and were quite far along.

But this was a while ago now so it may have changed.

jonmorris · 13-01-2015, 23:51

They have until late August for IFA but I guess they'll do it for October instead...!

radamfi · 20-01-2015, 17:43

I just used it in Florida. Coverage was surprisingly comprehensive even in remote areas, however as mentioned above speed was poor. I knew that tethering wasn't allowed, so I got a Mobile Broadband SIM specifically for the trip. I normally use an unlocked EE Osprey for mobile broadband but I wasn't sure if that would work in the US so I took my old Nexus 4. But tethering didn't work (I got a message saying tethering isn't allowed) even though I was using a mobile broadband SIM. It did work in the Osprey without error message but only at 2G.

jchamier · 20-01-2015, 20:16

Florida is well covered by T-Mobile USA, and their 3G is often at the split-band of 1700/2100 which is known as AWS. Not used in Europe or Asia, so the EE Osprey may not support it - thus limiting you to 2G.

My Three SIM on my iPad mini worked in the US at Christmas, but only on 3G in T-mobile areas around 4 or 5 megabit, but my EE iPhone 6 worked on 4G/LTE on T-Mobile - but the best speed I saw was 10 megabit. I suspect due to the UK tunnel we are forced through.

kables · 30-01-2015, 09:08

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Originally Posted by goldenface

It's great that three has included Spain. I'll be there for a few months this year. Made up!

Hi. Unfortunately Three will suspend if you use it for more than 3 months in any year or if you only ever use whilst abroad for more than 1 month.

rasseru16 · 30-01-2015, 09:54

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Originally Posted by jchamier

Florida is well covered by T-Mobile USA, and their 3G is often at the split-band of 1700/2100 which is known as AWS. Not used in Europe or Asia, so the EE Osprey may not support it - thus limiting you to 2G.

My Three SIM on my iPad mini worked in the US at Christmas, but only on 3G in T-mobile areas around 4 or 5 megabit, but my EE iPhone 6 worked on 4G/LTE on T-Mobile - but the best speed I saw was 10 megabit. I suspect due to the UK tunnel we are forced through.

I didn't think 3 offered LTE data roaming anywhere abroad

jonmorris · 30-01-2015, 10:34

Sadly no 4G roaming from Three UK yet. No idea if it's even on the agenda.

Three Denmark and Sweden have it for at least between themselves, possibly elsewhere, so I guess it's just further down the list of priorities for Three here.

BKM · 30-01-2015, 10:44

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Sadly no 4G roaming from Three UK yet. No idea if it's even on the agenda.

I did not think LTE roaming was common for ANY UK network?? I have a feeling there were technical problems in doing it just now.

d123 · 30-01-2015, 10:53

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Originally Posted by BKM

I did not think LTE roaming was common for ANY UK network?? I have a feeling there were technical problems in doing it just now.

EE has 4G LTE roaming in a number of countries.

09-01-2015, 21:25	#726
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 How do you figure that? Once/if BT buy EE FT will have no involvement with the network (or even the MVNO's like BT Mobile which wasn't what was being discussed). The previous posts relate to EE being renamed Orange if BT was to purchase it, not BT Mobile. I suppose he's referring to post completion, Orange will own 4% of BT. That's not really involvement, just an investment. Deutsche Telekom will have influence as apart from ending up with 12% of BT, they will also have a seat on the BT board, but you can guarantee it's not going to be called T-Mobile Licensing your name to other networks does happen. The situation isn't really like your Pepsi/Coke example as they are not competing e.g. Vodafone have partner networks in which Vodafone has no equity interest but they use the Vodafone name under a branding agreement either partially using the Vodafone name like in the Channel Islands http://airtel-vodafone.com or completely Vodafone branded like in Iceland http://www.vodafone.is Out of BT/Orange/T-Mobile/EE, I think Orange would be the strongest brand but I don't think it will happen and most likely we'll end up with BT. One reason for this is that BT have said they will still be proceeding with their existing plans to develop a consumer mobile business including quadplay based on the MVNO arrangement with EE (the BT/EE deal will take most of the year to complete) which they will build under the BT name (and the business mobile side has already started). EE can then be absorbed into this.

30-01-2015, 09:08	#746
kables Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13	Limited to 3 months max Quote: Originally Posted by goldenface It's great that three has included Spain. I'll be there for a few months this year. Made up! Hi. Unfortunately Three will suspend if you use it for more than 3 months in any year or if you only ever use whilst abroad for more than 1 month.

09-01-2015, 21:43	#727
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul Out of BT/Orange/T-Mobile/EE, I think Orange would be the strongest brand but I don't think it will happen and most likely we'll end up with BT. One reason for this is that BT have said they will still be proceeding with their existing plans to develop a consumer mobile business including quadplay based on the MVNO arrangement with EE (the BT/EE deal will take most of the year to complete) which they will build under the BT name (and the business mobile side has already started). EE can then be absorbed into this. What's the chance they could keep the EE brand but use the BT orb colours, or say "A BT group company" ?

09-01-2015, 21:51	#728
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier What's the chance they could keep the EE brand but use the BT orb colours, or say "A BT group company" ? I think BEET is more likely than that Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house?

09-01-2015, 22:07	#729
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul I think BEET is more likely than that BEET - love it! Could be beetroot colour I think BEE TEE is the best forum contribution though! Quote: Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house? Ha Ha! The Bacon adverts aren't bad, but they need a new campaign. The BT house is a bit boring, and only covers broadband, so that needs to be refreshed too.

10-01-2015, 00:32	#730
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul Anyway, what is Kevin Bacon supposed to do? Could he be a new student in the BT house? He can have that shed they filled with data.

10-01-2015, 01:07	#731
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris He can have that shed they filled with data. What, 500 whole megabytes?

10-01-2015, 01:21	#732
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	That's one BIG shed!

12-01-2015, 20:07	#733
Icaraa Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,732	Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work?

12-01-2015, 21:45	#734
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Quote: Originally Posted by Icaraa Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work? I certainly didn't have much luck in Paris or Copenhagen city centre when I tried a while back, data is incredibly slow and clearly local users get priority and Three users get a tiny dribble, just enough to use Facebook, email, web, maps and maybe, just maybe, some radio on iplayer (I managed to listen to Radio4 comedy on iplayer when in Denmark) but not get Spotify to work at all. These were under excellent reception conditions, maximum bars on the phone, good signals, voice etc but the data is clearly very throttled. Three don't use a VPN back to the UK as far as I know, they just have a roaming agreement in place with numerous other networks.

12-01-2015, 21:47	#735
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	I found video streaming slow or sometimes not working at all, but data speeds not terrible. Around 10-12Mbps in Sweden when I go. Not terrible by any means.

12-01-2015, 21:49	#736
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I found video streaming slow or sometimes not working at all, but data speeds not terrible. Around 10-12Mbps in Sweden when I go. Not terrible by any means. I think speedtests show speeds that should have been fast enough for streaming when in Paris and Copenhagen, it just didn't work and I assume it was throttled for that sort of activity.....maybe while I was there it was just very busy with other Three tourists all hammering the network while they still had their One Plan Iplayer etc will know you're out of the UK and presumably geo block you from viewing most programming I'd imagine. That was the case with 4OD when I was in the US a year ago, admittedly using Wifi, not Three.

12-01-2015, 22:14	#737
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by Icaraa Does anyone know if the likes of BBC iPlayer will work on Feel at Home? Presumably as it uses a kind of VPN back to Three in the UK it will work? Theoretically yes. All roaming traffic is routed back through the UK, so any geographically restricted services will think you are in the UK, not the destination (this is always the case - not just in "Feel at Home" locations). This can add some quite significant latency to the connection.

13-01-2015, 17:55	#738
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Quote: Originally Posted by Daveoc64 Theoretically yes. All roaming traffic is routed back through the UK, so any geographically restricted services will think you are in the UK, not the destination (this is always the case - not just in "Feel at Home" locations). This can add some quite significant latency to the connection. That's interesting to know.... will try this out when next abroad.

13-01-2015, 22:13	#739
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by Orbitalzone That's interesting to know.... will try this out when next abroad. Certainly worth trying as you always get an IP from your home network. Some apps though will ask the phone for your location and this relies on GPS/wifi/cell id in which case you might be thwarted.

13-01-2015, 23:01	#740
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul Certainly worth trying as you always get an IP from your home network. Some apps though will ask the phone for your location and this relies on GPS/wifi/cell id in which case you might be thwarted. I remember when it didn't used to be this way, and you got a local IP from the network you were cellular connected to. I recall being in the USA in 2002 and visiting a show my ip type site that said I was connected to Bellsouth.net and I was on a network called Bellsouth I assume the growth of prepay data roaming had to change this as the home network couldn't rely on future credit.

13-01-2015, 23:26	#741
Richard_T Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: East Midlands Posts: 3,842	Where next for three like home? Turkey? Holland? Germany?

13-01-2015, 23:42	#742
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by Richard_T Where next for three like home? Turkey? Holland? Germany? I've heard that Three had been in discussions with German operators regarding this and were quite far along. But this was a while ago now so it may have changed.

13-01-2015, 23:51	#743
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	They have until late August for IFA but I guess they'll do it for October instead...!

20-01-2015, 17:43	#744
radamfi Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Crawley, West Sussex Posts: 10,617	I just used it in Florida. Coverage was surprisingly comprehensive even in remote areas, however as mentioned above speed was poor. I knew that tethering wasn't allowed, so I got a Mobile Broadband SIM specifically for the trip. I normally use an unlocked EE Osprey for mobile broadband but I wasn't sure if that would work in the US so I took my old Nexus 4. But tethering didn't work (I got a message saying tethering isn't allowed) even though I was using a mobile broadband SIM. It did work in the Osprey without error message but only at 2G.

20-01-2015, 20:16	#745
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Florida is well covered by T-Mobile USA, and their 3G is often at the split-band of 1700/2100 which is known as AWS. Not used in Europe or Asia, so the EE Osprey may not support it - thus limiting you to 2G. My Three SIM on my iPad mini worked in the US at Christmas, but only on 3G in T-mobile areas around 4 or 5 megabit, but my EE iPhone 6 worked on 4G/LTE on T-Mobile - but the best speed I saw was 10 megabit. I suspect due to the UK tunnel we are forced through.

30-01-2015, 09:54	#747
rasseru16 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Suffolk, East Anglia Posts: 666	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier Florida is well covered by T-Mobile USA, and their 3G is often at the split-band of 1700/2100 which is known as AWS. Not used in Europe or Asia, so the EE Osprey may not support it - thus limiting you to 2G. My Three SIM on my iPad mini worked in the US at Christmas, but only on 3G in T-mobile areas around 4 or 5 megabit, but my EE iPhone 6 worked on 4G/LTE on T-Mobile - but the best speed I saw was 10 megabit. I suspect due to the UK tunnel we are forced through. I didn't think 3 offered LTE data roaming anywhere abroad

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Three Like Home: New roaming plan (Three UK)

30-01-2015, 10:34	#748
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Sadly no 4G roaming from Three UK yet. No idea if it's even on the agenda. Three Denmark and Sweden have it for at least between themselves, possibly elsewhere, so I guess it's just further down the list of priorities for Three here.

30-01-2015, 10:44	#749
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Sadly no 4G roaming from Three UK yet. No idea if it's even on the agenda. I did not think LTE roaming was common for ANY UK network?? I have a feeling there were technical problems in doing it just now.

30-01-2015, 10:53	#750
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM I did not think LTE roaming was common for ANY UK network?? I have a feeling there were technical problems in doing it just now. EE has 4G LTE roaming in a number of countries.