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So, a quick change.
Indonesia, Singapore, Macau & USA will join feel at home on December 3rd. Really great news. |
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So, a quick change.
Indonesia, Singapore, Macau & USA will join feel at home on December 3rd. Really great news.
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France and Spain would be major additions!
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Am I reading too much in to this or could this be a sign Three are potentially looking to buy/be bought by networks in these countries?
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Am I reading too much in to this or could this be a sign Three are potentially looking to buy/be bought by networks in these countries?
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Your probably reading too much into it.
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Although, I know someone who works at O2, and they're pretty much certain that Three are set to buy them.
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I don't see it.
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Neither do I, but they're adamant. They said O2 are in the process of writing down their assets so that they're too cheap a deal to pass up.
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If that happens my phone will explode.
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I don't see it.
http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2013/...uy-o2-in-2014/ Just don't hold your breath. The UK competition authorities will delay any action for a year as it would reduce the number UK operators rom 4 to 3. And again for competition reasons, Three/O2 would have to give up some bandwidth to the other operators. |
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Three predicted to buy O2 UK in 2014
http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2013/...uy-o2-in-2014/ Just don't hold your breath. The UK competition authorities will delay any action for a year as it would reduce the number UK operators rom 4 to 3. And again for competition reasons, Three/O2 would have to give up some bandwidth to the other operators. |
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The only condition I could think of is giving up about 2x5Mhz of 800 or 1800 spectrum.
Which wouldn't really be an issue |
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4g starts roll out tomorrow
Just been a three store to get a replacement sim due to my iPad being stolen asked the sales chap he said the roll out starts tomorrow in the main areas what they have already announced by the end of the year they should have a strong 4g network in place so watch out for you sim updates from tomorrow
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Just been a three store to get a replacement sim due to my iPad being stolen asked the sales chap he said the roll out starts tomorrow in the main areas what they have already announced by the end of the year they should have a strong 4g network in place so watch out for you sim updates from tomorrow
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The only condition I could think of is giving up about 2x5Mhz of 800 or 1800 spectrum.
Which wouldn't really be an issue You have to remember 02 and Three are the networks with the least amount of spectrum even if they merged EE would still own far more spectrum. |
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Hmmm I'm a bit sceptical about that.
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infarct it was the store manager when i was leaving i heard one of his colleges say to him thought we wasn't meant to tell anyone yet
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Giving up 2x5MHz of 1800MHz would be a problem. As then they would still have 2x10.8MHz but 2x5.8MHz of that would be for 2G until 2015 when they would gain an extra 2x5MHz which would make 1800MHz there secondary spectrum. When eventually it should become there main spectrum with 2x20.8MHz after 2G switch off. They could afford to lose 2x5MHz of 800MHz I agree on that one as they would still have more 800MHz then they do now. Honestly I expect they would be asked if they were to give up spectrum it would be in the 2100MHz spectrum band as then they would have 2x25MHz of it. Even then I think they would be allowed keep 2x20MHz of it.
You have to remember 02 and Three are the networks with the least amount of spectrum even if they merged EE would still own far more spectrum. Also I don't see why they'd have to give up any 2100. As you say they still have less of it than EE and if EE were allowed to keep it all of theirs why would a network with less not be allowed to? |
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If they had to divest the 1800 I'd expect they'd be allowed to divest the 5Mhz they're getting in 2015 which would make no difference anyway since they never actually got to use it to begin with. If EE were allowed to keep it till 2015 there's no conceivable reason a smaller merger between networks with less couldn't do the same. Plus they'd have 2x15Mhz of 800 for LTE and 2x5Mhz of 900 being used for 3G that really isn't needed and could be repurposed back to 2G if required.
Also I don't see why they'd have to give up any 2100. As you say they still have less of it than EE and if EE were allowed to keep it all of theirs why would a network with less not be allowed to? Actually they wouldn't have less 2100MHz then EE. They would have 2x25MHz of 2100MHz and EE has 2x20MHz of 2100MHz. The reason I think they would have to divest 2x5MHz is quite simple to level the playing field they would likely have sell it to Vodafone meaning all Three networks would have 2x20MHz of 2100MHz. There is no way though I can see that they would be made to give up some of the 1800MHz spectrum as only person it would be allowed go to is Vodafone as EE has to much. They could of course be made to give away 2x5MHz of 800MHz to level the playing field there instead so all Three networks would have same amount but can see it far more likely to happen in the 2100MHz band. |
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This is funny as hell there is no way they wouldn't use the full 800MHz spectrum for 4G as then they could without a doubt say they had the fastest indoor penetrating network.
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2G & 3G 900 would be a massive thing for the merger deal as it would allow them to match Vodafone on indoor coverage and geographical coverage.
But neither 2G at 1800 or 3G at 900 would play a part in that. 2G at 1800 brings no range advantage over 2G at 900, and 3G at 900 isn't really necessary in light of 4G at 800. Hence neither is of much importance. Vodafone's indoor 3G (3G900) coverage is paltry anyway. Quote:
Actually they wouldn't have less 2100MHz then EE. They would have 2x25MHz of 2100MHz and EE has 2x20MHz of 2100MHz. The reason I think they would have to divest 2x5MHz is quite simple to level the playing field they would likely have sell it to Vodafone meaning all Three networks would have 2x20MHz of 2100MHz.
Whoops, I somehow remembered T-Mobile and Orange had 15Mhz pre-merger, forgetting that 5Mhz of that was TDD (however that TDD 3G spectrum that was never used could be used for LTE)Quote:
They could of course be made to give away 2x5MHz of 800MHz to level the playing field there instead so all Three networks would have same amount
While it's possible that's not very necessary either.The only reason spectrum sales would be forced is if one network became too powerful or another one too weak to sustain a competitive market. That wouldn't happen in this case. EE would still easily remain competitive as although they would have the least 800Mhz spectrum for LTE, they still have a lot in total including plenty of 1800 and 2600, the latter neither O2 or 3 has. The difference between 800 and 1800 (for LTE) isn't going to be hugely more than the difference between 900 and 1800 GSM networks, and EE survived just fine despite being 1800-only. EE would have more capacity and speed, O3 would have more range. That's a fair basis for competition. Vodafone would still easily remain competitive as they have a decent enough chunk of 800Mhz to build a wide network, a decent enough chunk of 2600Mhz to build a fast network and sufficient 2G and 3G spectrum to maintain their existing networks. In fact, now that you've corrected me, Vodafone has just as much (if not more) useful spectrum for 3G than EE - as they already use 2x5Mhz of 900 for 3G as well as 2x15 + 1x5 in the 2100 band. One network would have a very strong low frequency portfolio but no high frequency, one network would have a very strong high frequency portfolio with little low, one network would have a reasonably strong spread across all bands. Competition on the basis of technology again? That would be refreshing. |
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Exactly. Hence why losing 5Mhz of 1800 wouldn't hurt that much. However, the 800 spectrum would be non-contiguous so LTE-Advanced handsets would be required to get full speeds.
But 2G at 1800 brings no advantage over 2G at 900, and 3G at 900 isn't really necessary in light of 4G 800 EE would still easily remain competitive as although they would have the least 800Mhz spectrum for LTE, they still have a lot in total including plenty of 1800 and 2600, the latter neither O2 or 3 has. The difference between 800 and 1800 (for LTE) isn't going to be hugely more than the difference between 900 and 1800 GSM networks, and EE survived just fine despite being 1800-only. EE would have more capacity and speed, O3 would have more range. That's a fair basis for competition. Vodafone would still easily remain competitive as they have a decent enough chunk of 800Mhz to build a wide network, a decent enough chunk of 2600Mhz to build a fast network and sufficient 2G and 3G spectrum to maintain their existing networks. In fact, now that you've corrected me, Vodafone has just as much (if not more) useful spectrum for 3G than EE - as they already use 2x5Mhz of 900 for 3G as well as 2x15 + 1x5 in the 2100 band. One network would have a very strong low frequency portfolio but no high frequency, one network would have a very strong high frequency portfolio with little low, one network would have a reasonably strong spread across all bands. Competition on the basis of technology again? That would be refreshing. CA of 2x15MHz of 800MHz and 2x10MHz of 1800MHz Would give some impressive speeds. You do raise some good points that I hadn't fully considered before. You are right though competition should still be possible as all Three networks then would have a good stack of spectrum for 2G/3G/4G. Reason I raise fact 3G 900MHz is so important is because it has far better range than 2100MHz and it will allow Three to not only improve there indoor coverage but also there rural 3G coverage similar to how 800MHz will work. BTW Vodafone were the only network not to get 5MHz 1900MHz TDD spectrum with there 2100MHz spectrum. But you are right at present Vodafone has the most 3G spectrum with EE having the next most with O2 and Three joint last. |
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I've just tried 3 like Home in Ireland, and while speedtest was giving me 7-9mb, I could not get a single youtube clip to play properly. It was otherwise fine for Facebook and checking the football scores.
Is the data throughput restricted for roamers? |
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Dec 2nd and no news top back up the rumour about 3 Like Home working in USA (or any other new countries)?
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I've just tried 3 like Home in Ireland, and while speedtest was giving me 7-9mb, I could not get a single youtube clip to play properly. It was otherwise fine for Facebook and checking the football scores.
Is the data throughput restricted for roamers? So they mention on their website: "Just so you know, the pass was designed for browsing, so streaming may not be as good as it is on our UK network, and, tethering isn’t included." Bit cheeky, if it seems to be restricted. That can't be blamed on just the foreign networks. |
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