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Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)
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DUNDEEBOY
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“The point for the senior side is to win competitive matches ( while they can still matter ) and pick the best team and tactics to do that now rather than think too much about tomorrow.

The point about the age group teams is to balance winning yes with developing players and styles for the future needs of the senior national team. A win at all costs mentality at that level is in my view misguided and potentially counterproductive.”

It's something we don't develop is too many young players making it through to the senior team.

Apart from Andy Robertson who was last young player we promoted

You get too old for the u21s armstrong, Mackay-steven and you then go into the wilderness years as you won't get the step up as there is usually an older and english born player from a mid table championship side instead.

You are still hanging around mid 20s and scotland still refer to this age group as young players as the team is predominantly around the 30 mark as the first choice 11 are.
crofter
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“The point for the senior side is to win competitive matches ( while they can still matter ) and pick the best team and tactics to do that now rather than think too much about tomorrow.

The point about the age group teams is to balance winning yes with developing players and styles for the future needs of the senior national team. A win at all costs mentality at that level is in my view misguided and potentially counterproductive.”

Whilst I would normally agree with you - it is very rare that the "best" 10 or 11 players are on the park at the same time, however what the manager might see as the best team is the all important thing. You may well argue that at under 19-21 level it means nothing but unless you are in the job interview that says "don't worry about results - simply give us players for the future" it is somewhat naive to think that the U-19 managers and U-21 managers are going to do anything other than try and put a winning team on the park and indeed keep themselves in a job ...

I am pretty sure that most of the posters on here bumping their gums have very little actual knowledge of what this boy can do as they have very probably never seen him kick a ball ...
FrankieFixer
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“The point for the senior side is to win competitive matches ( while they can still matter ) and pick the best team and tactics to do that now rather than think too much about tomorrow.

The point about the age group teams is to balance winning yes with developing players and styles for the future needs of the senior national team. A win at all costs mentality at that level is in my view misguided and potentially counterproductive.”

Winning is everything, nothing compares to it. Sbragia has tough games against Italy and Croatia and every one telling him to play like Spain and don't bother about the result just doesn't get the purpose of football, to win.
FrankieFixer
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“It's something we don't develop is too many young players making it through to the senior team.

Apart from Andy Robertson who was last young player we promoted

You get too old for the u21s armstrong, Mackay-steven and you then go into the wilderness years as you won't get the step up as there is usually an older and english born player from a mid table championship side instead.

You are still hanging around mid 20s and scotland still refer to this age group as young players as the team is predominantly around the 30 mark as the first choice 11 are.”

GMS and Armstrong are wasting their time at Celtic, they won't improve much maybe playing a handful of European games a season and steam rolling the poor players we have up here. If you are serious about testing yourself you go to England and pit yourself against top players or even the English Championship which is far beyond the calibre of the Scottish Premiership.

Strachan does seem to like picking the usual duds like the two Fletchers who are well out of form. If you've got a Scottish granny and you looked up a Championship side on wikipedia you could get a game under him.
indiana44
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Winning is everything, nothing compares to it. Sbragia has tough games against Italy and Croatia and every one telling him to play like Spain and don't bother about the result just doesn't get the purpose of football, to win.”

I absolutely agree with you re the senior side. We'll agree to disagree about the U19s.

It is to a large part because I want to see the senior side winning that to me the U19s winning is not the be all and end all.
DUNDEEBOY
28-03-2015
If steven Fletcher can't score tomorrow that should really be it for him at international level.

Still concerns me that our so called first 11 has about six players over 30 in it.

Strachan will talk about his first 11, but that first 11 has about 3 or 4 qualification failures under their belt now.

We really need to get to the euros as their is no prospect of qualifying for the wc these days
misawa97
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by crofter:
“Whilst I would normally agree with you - it is very rare that the "best" 10 or 11 players are on the park at the same time, however what the manager might see as the best team is the all important thing. You may well argue that at under 19-21 level it means nothing but unless you are in the job interview that says "don't worry about results - simply give us players for the future" it is somewhat naive to think that the U-19 managers and U-21 managers are going to do anything other than try and put a winning team on the park and indeed keep themselves in a job ...

I am pretty sure that most of the posters on here bumping their gums have very little actual knowledge of what this boy can do as they have very probably never seen him kick a ball ...”

Neither has the coach by the sound of it who said he hasn't seen much of him. Easy solution to that is jump on a plane.

I haven't seen the kid and there could be better players avaliable which isn't the issue. Whether he plays for Madrid or Hamilton it doesn't really matter, what matters is the reasons for not being picked.

To claim a 6ft player isn't tall enough or this kid is a luxury player who can get away with at Madrid is simply laughable.

He seemed to have a strong opinion about a player who he says he hasn't seen much of which makes the comments even more of a joke.

If his good enough ability wise and the coach feels he needs to improve in other area's then do exactly that. Coach him!!!

Quote:
“If steven Fletcher can't score tomorrow that should really be it for him at international level.

Still concerns me that our so called first 11 has about six players over 30 in it.

Strachan will talk about his first 11, but that first 11 has about 3 or 4 qualification failures under their belt now.

We really need to get to the euros as their is no prospect of qualifying for the wc these days”

It doesn't matter if he scores, his time is up. He could score 5 tomorrow but it wouldn't prove anything.

You are right about the age of the side. Not enough pace or energy with so many older players.
Callum Collum
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“I absolutely agree with you re the senior side. We'll agree to disagree about the U19s.

It is to a large part because I want to see the senior side winning that to me the U19s winning is not the be all and end all.”

It's not the be all and end all but it's important. These players need to learn how to play in proper games and win. They are not 12 years old. They are at an age where they should be looking to be in their clubs' first teams or are in there already.

Ricky Sbragia has said that Jack Harper's time will come.
batdude_uk1
28-03-2015
Looks like Airdrieonians may have to change their crest!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...programming-UK
jenzie
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Looks like Airdrieonians may have to change their crest!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...programming-UK”

WHAT UTTER GARBAGE!

utterly irrelevant to today, and grave robbing an old law is very low indeed

they can piss off with this trash
timboy
29-03-2015
A very comfortable victory for Scotland.

Took the foot off the pedal for most of the second half otherwise they could have had another few goals.
DUNDEEBOY
29-03-2015
Originally Posted by timboy:
“A very comfortable victory for Scotland.

Took the foot off the pedal for most of the second half otherwise they could have had another few goals.”

Yes credit where is due they could have had a nightmare after they equalised but job well done.

I think best poland win this game but neil McCann was saying he hoped ireland do us a favour.

A draw wouldn't be too bad
Callum Collum
29-03-2015
A draw between ROI and Poland would suit us best I reckon. Both teams would drop 2 points.
DUNDEEBOY
29-03-2015
Be interesting to see how many polish fans end up at Hampden, if they end up with 10-15thousand in the ground which would make the game even harder
TommyNooka
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Winning is everything, nothing compares to it. Sbragia has tough games against Italy and Croatia and every one telling him to play like Spain and don't bother about the result just doesn't get the purpose of football, to win.”

How did he get on with those games btw?
Did the big endurance runners do the business?
Winning is everything after all and if you can beat a 9 man Austrian team then the skys the limit.

Are The Rangers on the look out for a new youth coach? RS is going to be available pretty soon.


Cue more insane Frankie ramblings!

The purpose of football is to win? Really? really? Someone has clearly switched the definitions of purpose and objective in your pocket dictionary
FrankieFixer
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by TommyNooka:
“How did he get on with those games btw?
Did the big endurance runners do the business?
Winning is everything after all and if you can beat a 9 man Austrian team then the skys the limit.

Are The Rangers on the look out for a new youth coach? RS is going to be available pretty soon.


Cue more insane Frankie ramblings!

The purpose of football is to win? Really? really? Someone has clearly switched the definitions of purpose and objective in your pocket dictionary ”

They went unbeaten. I don't know if they played like they do in La Liga like all you fickle Sky subscribers want but they got some decent results against 'technical' teams.

I see reading comprehension isn't your forte either. Back to school for you.
TommyNooka
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“They went unbeaten. I don't know if they played like they do in La Liga like all you fickle Sky subscribers want but they got some decent results against 'technical' teams.

I see reading comprehension isn't your forte either. Back to school for you.”

And what did that achieve?
No one really cares about U-19 results except you and a few blazers by the look of it.

Yet again your wilful ignorance rears its ugly head in a poor attempt at trolling.

Please point out where MY reading comprehension is lacking Mr 'Purpose'?
bhoy07
31-03-2015
Liam Henderson joins Rosenborg on loan for 3 months.
CELT1987
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“Liam Henderson joins Rosenborg on loan for 3 months.”

Good move. He needs games.
FrankieFixer
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by TommyNooka:
“And what did that achieve?
No one really cares about U-19 results except you and a few blazers by the look of it.

Yet again your wilful ignorance rears its ugly head in a poor attempt at trolling.

Please point out where MY reading comprehension is lacking Mr 'Purpose'? ”

They achieved 6 games unbeaten and finished ahead of Italy and Croatia, you know these 'technically superior' teams? If winning didn't matter then why even play for points? Why even have competitions to win?

As for purpose, it is a synonym of objective. As I said, more reading comprehension and less thinking you know more about football than international coaches.
detroitcity
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“They achieved 6 games unbeaten and finished ahead of Italy and Croatia, you know these 'technically superior' teams? If winning didn't matter then why even play for points? Why even have competitions to win?

As for purpose, it is a synonym of objective. As I said, more reading comprehension and less thinking you know more about football than international coaches.”

Could also be spun as 1 win in 9 matches and that was against nine men.

It's not finished either, don't they have another 4 group matches to play?
JCR
31-03-2015
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Be interesting to see how many polish fans end up at Hampden, if they end up with 10-15thousand in the ground which would make the game even harder”

Unlikely they could have that many. There are 30k Scotland Supporters Club members who would each get 1 ticket, and in that 30 thousand there are apparently 8 thousand season ticket holders who have the option of buying another ticket in addition to the one they already have.
FrankieFixer
01-04-2015
Originally Posted by detroitcity:
“Could also be spun as 1 win in 9 matches and that was against nine men.

It's not finished either, don't they have another 4 group matches to play?”

6 games unbeaten at their international level, finish ahead of Italy and Croatia and still people complain

"Play like Spain! Win the Euros! It's not unbeaten if you don't win! Win the World Cup! Play more technically!"
detroitcity
01-04-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“6 games unbeaten at their international level, finish ahead of Italy and Croatia and still people complain

"Play like Spain! Win the Euros! It's not unbeaten if you don't win! Win the World Cup! Play more technically!"”

They haven't finished ahead of anyone. The group is still in the early stages.
FrankieFixer
01-04-2015
Originally Posted by detroitcity:
“They haven't finished ahead of anyone. The group is still in the early stages.”

http://www.uefa.com/under19/season=2...997/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32134953

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1
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