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Old 05-08-2015, 19:38
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A professional job I believe that is called - through to next round and guaranteed EL GS football if it goes tits up.
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Old 05-08-2015, 21:15
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A professional job I believe that is called - through to next round and guaranteed EL GS football if it goes tits up.
Looking at the way the draw is seeded and set up, the most difficult one in the next round would probably be Dynamo Zagreb .

I would be optimistic of you beating most of the other teams .

I suppose the dilemma is champions league and the money but maybe a bit out your depth alternatively Europa league competitive but less money
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Old 05-08-2015, 21:43
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Celtic will be 2nd in the champions seedings and therefore will face one of Maccabi Tel Aviv, Partizan Belgrade, Malmo, Skenderbeu or Astana
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Old 05-08-2015, 21:46
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Celtic will be 2nd in the champions seedings and therefore will face one of Maccabi Tel Aviv, Partizan Belgrade, Malmo, Skenderbeu or Astana
Yes end results made Zagreb a seed would imagine you would prefer 3-5
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Old 06-08-2015, 17:00
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A win for Aberdeen tonight and they'll probably make more than £1m before the EL GS. Getting into the EL GS should bank them around another £3m min. Inc ticket sales.
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Old 06-08-2015, 17:07
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A win for Aberdeen tonight and they'll probably make more than £1m before the EL GS. Getting into the EL GS should bank them around another £3m min. Inc ticket sales.
Can't see Aberdeen getting to the group stages and much as I would like them to.

If they get through tonight they will be the lowest ranked team in the play off and they will more than likely draw someone very fpdifficult
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Old 06-08-2015, 17:13
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Can't see Aberdeen getting to the group stages and much as I would like them to.

If they get through tonight they will be the lowest ranked team in the play off and they will more than likely draw someone very fpdifficult
They will get pumped tonight, & so will West Ham

Edit just seen your thread !
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Old 06-08-2015, 17:17
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Can't see Aberdeen getting to the group stages and much as I would like them to.

If they get through tonight they will be the lowest ranked team in the play off and they will more than likely draw someone very fpdifficult
Depends on the luck of the draw - I wouldn't be surprised if they do it.
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Old 06-08-2015, 18:07
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A win for Aberdeen tonight and they'll probably make more than £1m before the EL GS. Getting into the EL GS should bank them around another £3m min. Inc ticket sales.
The prize money's gone up a fair whack this season, it's now something like £1.7 million you get as a bonus just for being in the groups plus some cash for each qualifying round.

Tonight is a sell out so that will take us above 50 thousand through the gates in the 1st 3 rounds, probably another 20 thousand in the play off if we get there and another 50 thousand in the 3 group games if we did qualify. There's also cash for win's and draws in the groups like you get in the CL, just not as much obviously.

Add in some tv deals and the corporate money etc that would come in and there is the potential for clubs like Aberdeen to make a relative fortune.

I would be very surprised if we made it though, tonight will be very tough and the play off round would be even harder probably.
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Old 06-08-2015, 21:41
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FT 1-1 - sounds like Aberdeen went out of the EL with all guns blazing.
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Old 06-08-2015, 21:58
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Out with Celtic not sure how we improve Scottish teams performances in Europe as they have been woeful for some years now.

Do think the season might need to be moved forward to begin in July and be finishing beginning of May as the current set up is not working.

It's now moved to teams from Asia practically Scottish teams losing to
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Old 06-08-2015, 22:14
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Out with Celtic not sure how we improve Scottish teams performances in Europe as they have been woeful for some years now.

Do think the season might need to be moved forward to begin in July and be finishing beginning of May as the current set up is not working.

It's now moved to teams from Asia practically Scottish teams losing to
It is quite simple IMO.

The next time the SPFL are negotiating a TV deal they play hardball with Sky and BT. If they offer a pittance then Scottish football fans bin their sports subscriptions. For too long Scottish football fans have subsidised English football TV deals. If they won't pay a fair fee we hit them in the pocket.

The increased TV money would allow teams to bring in better players and invest in better youth and training facilities.
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Old 06-08-2015, 22:15
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FT 1-1 - sounds like Aberdeen went out of the EL with all guns blazing.
I watched the last half hour and Aberdeen had more of the ball but lacked a cutting edge.
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Old 06-08-2015, 22:21
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I watched the last half hour and Aberdeen had more of the ball but lacked a cutting edge.
Aberdeen are Scotland's second best side but they are not a team who are great and taking games to opponents and they prefer to sit it and hit on the break.

I suppose losing the first goal made a comeback unlikely
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Old 06-08-2015, 22:25
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I watched the last half hour and Aberdeen had more of the ball but lacked a cutting edge.
I said that at half time, we do look a very good team but just missing something in the final 3rd.

Kairat are a good team and obviously have a lot of money behind them, one of their players was on the bench in the 2013 Champions League final so that shows the standard even in these qualifying rounds. Overall though I dont think Aberdeen would look out of place in the group stages if we eventually get there.

Our budget isn't huge and thats 2 consecutive decent runs weve had, a little bit more money in our game and other clubs could be doing likewise.
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Old 06-08-2015, 22:40
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I said that at half time, we do look a very good team but just missing something in the final 3rd.
why dont you go for .......... Stokes ?
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Old 06-08-2015, 23:14
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why dont you go for .......... Stokes ?


He'd never be out of Malone's or the Regent.
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Old 06-08-2015, 23:16
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why dont you go for .......... Stokes ?
Think it's more tactical than personnel. Goodwillie has been excellent at winning balls and holding it up but doesnt score goals. Rooney scores plenty but doesnt start in Europe as he doesnt suit the formation we tend to go with.

Rooneu really needs someone alongside him to be productive.
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Old 06-08-2015, 23:26
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It is quite simple IMO.

The next time the SPFL are negotiating a TV deal they play hardball with Sky and BT. If they offer a pittance then Scottish football fans bin their sports subscriptions. For too long Scottish football fans have subsidised English football TV deals. If they won't pay a fair fee we hit them in the pocket.

The increased TV money would allow teams to bring in better players and invest in better youth and training facilities.
Remember the last time Scottish football tried to play hardball with sky. Walked away from a deal thinking the grass was greener on setanta. We all know how that worked out.

Increased TV money from where? The top league in Scotland struggles to find a sponsor for the competition and you think they could suddenly start to threaten the TV networks? They take what they can get as it isn't getting any better.

As for Scottish football fans binning there subscription. Why?

Believe it or not there are clearly football fans who like watching English football as well as all the other European football and sport you can find on sky and BT.

It's not as if Scottish football has grounds packed to the rafters every week with fans eager to watch the product on display. What makes you think they would want to stop watching what's to offer elsewhere on there TV?

The TV deal being crap isn't the fault of the networks.
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Old 07-08-2015, 00:07
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Remember the last time Scottish football tried to play hardball with sky. Walked away from a deal thinking the grass was greener on setanta. We all know how that worked out.

Increased TV money from where? The top league in Scotland struggles to find a sponsor for the competition and you think they could suddenly start to threaten the TV networks? They take what they can get as it isn't getting any better.

As for Scottish football fans binning there subscription. Why?

Believe it or not there are clearly football fans who like watching English football as well as all the other European football and sport you can find on sky and BT.

It's not as if Scottish football has grounds packed to the rafters every week with fans eager to watch the product on display. What makes you think they would want to stop watching what's to offer elsewhere on there TV?

The TV deal being crap isn't the fault of the networks.
If you are happy for Scottish teams to get the crumbs off the table then that is your outlook. I'd much rather that a fair price was paid by the TV networks for Scottish football coverage.

The new English deal will earn them just over £5b, over the same period the Scottish deal will be worth about 1% of that. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

Gary Lineker gets paid around the same as the total football spend by BBC Scotland on TV and radio. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

The new English deal will net the team that finishes last £99m, the Scottish deal will net the team that wins the Premiership around 2% of that. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

I'm not saying for a moment that any new Scottish deal deserves parity with the English deal as that would just be stupid but they can afford to offer the SPFL a far far better deal than they do. Scotland has a population around 1/10 of the size of England so that would be fair in my eyes. If they aren't willing to do that then I think that any Scottish football fan who is sick of their subscription going down south to the EPL only really has one option and that would be the way to make them listen.

If Scottish football fans aren't willing to do that then they have no right to complain when Scottish teams get knocked out of European competitions early in the qualifying stages or that some grounds are rather dilapidated.
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Old 07-08-2015, 00:37
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Remember the last time Scottish football tried to play hardball with sky. Walked away from a deal thinking the grass was greener on setanta. We all know how that worked out.

Increased TV money from where? The top league in Scotland struggles to find a sponsor for the competition and you think they could suddenly start to threaten the TV networks? They take what they can get as it isn't getting any better.

As for Scottish football fans binning there subscription. Why?

Believe it or not there are clearly football fans who like watching English football as well as all the other European football and sport you can find on sky and BT.

It's not as if Scottish football has grounds packed to the rafters every week with fans eager to watch the product on display. What makes you think they would want to stop watching what's to offer elsewhere on there TV?

The TV deal being crap isn't the fault of the networks.
Norway manages to get around 3 times what we get for what is likely a similar product, possibly even worse. How can they get decent money for a tin pot league while we cant?

We have 2 huge companies showing our games, BT and Sky. You would think there must be someone out there who could market our league in a way that it becomes an asset to their platform.
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Old 07-08-2015, 00:44
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Norway manages to get around 3 times what we get for what is likely a similar product, possibly even worse. How can they get decent money for a tin pot league while we cant?

We have 2 huge companies showing our games, BT and Sky. You would think there must be someone out there who could market our league in a way that it becomes an asset to their platform.
IMO Sky deliberately downplay the Scottish game.

Stupid bloody bagpipe music at the beginning like we are all out hunting haggis before the games, the shortest possible build up and then idiots like Andy Walker and Neil McCann going on about how poor the game is. That instantly turns people off.

There are plenty of shite games in the EPL but the commentators and studio guests concentrate on the positives.
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:59
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If you are happy for Scottish teams to get the crumbs off the table then that is your outlook. I'd much rather that a fair price was paid by the TV networks for Scottish football coverage.

The new English deal will earn them just over £5b, over the same period the Scottish deal will be worth about 1% of that. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

Gary Lineker gets paid around the same as the total football spend by BBC Scotland on TV and radio. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

The new English deal will net the team that finishes last £99m, the Scottish deal will net the team that wins the Premiership around 2% of that. You might be happy with that, I'm not.

I'm not saying for a moment that any new Scottish deal deserves parity with the English deal as that would just be stupid but they can afford to offer the SPFL a far far better deal than they do. Scotland has a population around 1/10 of the size of England so that would be fair in my eyes. If they aren't willing to do that then I think that any Scottish football fan who is sick of their subscription going down south to the EPL only really has one option and that would be the way to make them listen.

If Scottish football fans aren't willing to do that then they have no right to complain when Scottish teams get knocked out of European competitions early in the qualifying stages or that some grounds are rather dilapidated.
I think you are overvaluing the product Timboy. I think that people who subscribe to Sky Sports in Scotland aren't doing so just to watch the Scottish League. Expecting them to give up Sky Sports in order to take a stand is unlikely and quite possibly ineffective.

By your own admission parity with England is not going to happen (nor should it) and even parity when scaled down is unrealistic because without being too harsh Scottish football is not great, or at least the perception of it is not great compared to the other things Sky spend money on to put on Sky Sports.

At the risk of mentioning the Old Firm the reality is when broadcasters buy Scottish Football the Old Firm game is the big draw - that's four massive games a season straight away and even more important that's your end of season competition for the title too. Two massive teams, in big stadiums with big crowds and (up until recently) a big budget. Putting an OF game on at 12 o'clock on a Sunday doesn't look out of place in the schedules next to Liverpool V Man Utd and Spurs V Arsenal and the top foreign games. Lower down from that you would have Rangers and Celtic playing Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen and maybe Dundee United as big games. Then as filler you have those non Old Firm teams playing each other. Take out Rangers and you lose the biggest draw in game terms and the level of competition. Take out Hearts and Hibs from the top league and you lose 90% of what is worth showing (from a Sky perspective).

Even if you don't believe the above, or you think its anti-Scottish nonsense you can kind of see why the guys at Sky may believe it when deciding how much Scottish Football is worth to them as a package. They have to market it to their entire audience not just Scotland. That's pretty difficult when you essentially are only asking people to guess which month Celtic will win the title.

For me personally there is a football overload. I used to be able to watch games essentially all weekend but now I have to pick and choose due to having other stuff to do. I think most people are similar because of other things, family commitments, going out, hobbies or whatever. When faced with a Sunday where you have a couple of English Premier games, Italian, German, Dutch and Spanish football to choose from then you have the MLS later on you can see why Sky probably don't feel that people will pick Motherwell vs Dundee or even Celtic vs Aberdeen ahead of these other options.

In a way its a bit of a chicken and egg situation because I think the game has to improve in order to be more attractive and get a bigger TV deal and all that goes with it but it probably needs the cash from the bigger TV deal in order to improve.
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Old 07-08-2015, 09:48
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Above poster is correct. Sky wants SPL football for 4 games a season, old firm games.

Have you seen the viewing figures for SPL games, they are horrific. One BT SPL game had less than 10,000 viewers, showed up as 0.00% of the audience share. We can't be demanding more money when there is no interest in it.

Take what we can and deal with it
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:22
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I think you are overvaluing the product Timboy. I think that people who subscribe to Sky Sports in Scotland aren't doing so just to watch the Scottish League.
I didn't say they were Eddie.

Expecting them to give up Sky Sports in order to take a stand is unlikely and quite possibly ineffective.
Not just Sky, BT as well.

Then as I said they have no right to complain when Scottish sides get put out of Europe early or when Scottish sides struggle to improve their stadia.

because without being too harsh Scottish football is not great
And that is due to, amongst other things an almost complete lack of investment from our media 'partners'

Even if you don't believe the above, or you think its anti-Scottish nonsense you can kind of see why the guys at Sky may believe it when deciding how much Scottish Football is worth to them as a package.
They have played an absolute blinder with their marketing. They have got the Scottish, Irish and Welsh public to line up in their hundreds of thousands to pay for English football. I don't think there will be too many other countries where this happens.

They have to market it to their entire audience not just Scotland. That's pretty difficult when you essentially are only asking people to guess which month Celtic will win the title.
Lets not pretend that the EPL is super competitive itself.

In a way its a bit of a chicken and egg situation because I think the game has to improve in order to be more attractive and get a bigger TV deal and all that goes with it but it probably needs the cash from the bigger TV deal in order to improve.
Which is exactly what I've said.

One BT SPL game had less than 10,000 viewers
Have you got a link for that claim?

Take what we can and deal with it
Yeah, lets lie down and let them tickle our bellies whilst they rip the piss with their godawful deals whilst our sports subs go to making players at Leicester City and Norwich and Watford millionaires at the expense of our own leagues.
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