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Old 07-08-2015, 11:07
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Then as I said they have no right to complain when Scottish sides get put out of Europe early or when Scottish sides struggle to improve their stadia.
I don't see how not cancelling your Sky subscription makes you responsible for a lack of investment in Scottish Football.


And that is due to, amongst other things an almost complete lack of investment from our media 'partners'
But why should they invest in it? They aren't a charity. Why should they pay more for what they may see as an inferior product?



They have played an absolute blinder with their marketing. They have got the Scottish, Irish and Welsh public to line up in their hundreds of thousands to pay for English football. I don't think there will be too many other countries where this happens.
Well the rights for the PL have a huge worldwide value as we all know. Obviously the UK is slightly different because of the media coming essentially under the one banner. Thats quite unique I would assume.


Lets not pretend that the EPL is super competitive itself.
You don't know who is going to win the league before the season kicks off though and while I'm not saying its the holy grail with every game being brilliant there are a lot more reasons to pay your subscription for the English League than for the Scottish. I think the issue here isn't so much the idea of Scotland watching the English League its more the fact that England probably doesn't watch the Scottish League if that makes sense?



Yeah, lets lie down and let them tickle our bellies whilst they rip the piss with their godawful deals whilst our sports subs go to making players at Leicester City and Norwich and Watford millionaires at the expense of our own leagues
I don't think its at the expense of your own league though? Its happening independently regardless. Its the value of an overall package. Id genuinely be interested to know what you would consider a fair deal to watch the Scottish League? I'm not trolling btw I'm genuinely interested. If Scottish Football disappeared from Sky do you think it would have a huge impact?
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:09
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Celtic v Malmö a reasonable draw
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:10
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Celtic v Malmö a reasonable draw
Reasonable but Malmo put out Red Bull Salzburg so it is going to be a hard tie.
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:34
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I don't see how not cancelling your Sky subscription makes you responsible for a lack of investment in Scottish Football.
The way I see it is that if you aren't willing to make a stand then you are part of the problem.

But why should they invest in it? They aren't a charity. Why should they pay more for what they may see as an inferior product?
How is the BBC funded again?

How does it help the broadcaster if they pay a less than fair fee? It will hamper viewing figures and impact on advertising.

You don't know who is going to win the league before the season kicks off though
You can pretty much name the EPL top 4 before the season starts, In the last 3 years 5 teams have came in the top 4 in the EPL.

and while I'm not saying its the holy grail with every game being brilliant there are a lot more reasons to pay your subscription for the English League than for the Scottish.
A lot more reasons if you are a fan of English football.

I think the issue here isn't so much the idea of Scotland watching the English League its more the fact that England probably doesn't watch the Scottish League if that makes sense?
What are the average viewing figures for each league? That would be a fair indicator I think. We also need to take into account the EPL is on the 'main' channel whilst the SPFL is hidden away. That will impact on audiences as well.

Id genuinely be interested to know what you would consider a fair deal to watch the Scottish League? I'm not trolling btw I'm genuinely interested.
I said previously that I'd take 10% of whatever the EPL deal is but I'll change that to whatever the average viewing percentage in comparison to the EPL is.

If Scottish Football disappeared from Sky do you think it would have a huge impact?
For Celtic, no. For the other clubs yes.
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Old 07-08-2015, 15:08
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I can't see Sky increasing the deal to view the SPFL. Even if Rangers do go up next season, I suspect it will be the same TV deal. Would rather one channel got all of the SPFL rather then two companies.
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Old 07-08-2015, 15:22
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More likely for the SPFL is BT taking all the rights. Their coverage is far superior because it seems like they genuinely want to be covering the non-Celtic/The Rangers games instead of doing it out of a contractual obligation.
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Old 07-08-2015, 15:25
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The way I see it is that if you aren't willing to make a stand then you are part of the problem.
So everyone in Scotland cancels Sky Sports and no one watches Scottish Football. I'm not sure why that would encourage Sky to pump multi-millions into showing Scottish Football


How is the BBC funded again?

How does it help the broadcaster if they pay a less than fair fee? It will hamper viewing figures and impact on advertising.
How does the funding of the BBC impact on this? Sky are a business, they negotiate the rights to show Scottish Football at a price they feel is suitable based on how many viewers they think they will get. As the buyers they are judging the product rather than creating it........up to a point. If they can buy it for a pound there is no reason for them to pay £5 and if the price goes up to £5 they are free to decide that the product isn't worth buying for the extra money.

You can pretty much name the EPL top 4 before the season starts, In the last 3 years 5 teams have came in the top 4 in the EPL.
Absolutely, but you didn't know who would win the league. There is a level of competition. We know who is winning the Scottish League next season and we know that the big draw is Celtic and then there is a massive drop off.

The comparison with the English League probably isn't one we should bother making. Perhaps a more relevant question would be whether people would choose to watch the Scottish League ahead of the foreign football that Sky show.

A lot more reasons if you are a fan of English football.
Which the vast majority of Sky Sports subscribers are.


What are the average viewing figures for each league? That would be a fair indicator I think. We also need to take into account the EPL is on the 'main' channel whilst the SPFL is hidden away. That will impact on audiences as well.
Yeah it probably would be. I wouldn't say its "hidden away" though. I go through the Sports Channels fairly evenly to see what's on but obviously the main games will go on the main channel, that's understandable.


I said previously that I'd take 10% of whatever the EPL deal is but I'll change that to whatever the average viewing percentage in comparison to the EPL is.
That would be interesting to see. Certainly that affects advertising revenue. What would be interesting to see is what would happen to Sky's income if everyone who subscribed to Sky Sports for Scottish Football did what you suggest and cancelled. I wonder how much of a difference it would make?


For Celtic, no. For the other clubs yes
I meant the impact on Sky!
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Old 07-08-2015, 15:48
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Celtic v Malmö a reasonable draw
That's maybe the toughest side they could have drawn. Tel Aviv or Partizan etc may have been slightly easier.
At least Deil-a-bus will be familiar with Nordic football I guess.
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Old 07-08-2015, 19:59
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More likely for the SPFL is BT taking all the rights. Their coverage is far superior because it seems like they genuinely want to be covering the non-Celtic/The Rangers games instead of doing it out of a contractual obligation.
I think Sky won't want to lose Scottish football to BT - that would in effect give BT the entire Scottish market. (when you factor in European games)

If there was a competent CEO in charge of the SPFL then they'd seek to exploit that, hopefully by the time the tv deal is negotiated there will in one in place.
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Old 07-08-2015, 20:56
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Bt coverage of Scottish football is very good , sky are reluctant to cover any game out with Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United , hearts ,hibs , Rangers in other words the six biggest teams in Scotland
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Old 07-08-2015, 21:08
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Bt coverage of Scottish football is very good
Mind you, tonight leaves a lot to be desired.

Kenny Miller and Kris Boyd as pundits, and Stuart McCall as co-commentator.
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Old 07-08-2015, 22:01
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Bt coverage of Scottish football is very good , sky are reluctant to cover any game out with Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United , hearts ,hibs , Rangers in other words the six biggest teams in Scotland
If Rangers go up though, there will be most of their away games on BT and Sky. How many matches in total do Sky and BT have?
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Old 07-08-2015, 22:50
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Kenny Miller and Kris Boyd as pundits, and Stuart McCall as co-commentator.
Its only a matter of time till, Miller joins the Fat B******Club
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Old 08-08-2015, 00:13
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If Rangers go up though, there will be most of their away games on BT and Sky. How many matches in total do Sky and BT have?
Boy have 30 premiership games.

BT have 10 championship games(presumably all rangers now there's no Derby). Sky have 5 championship games
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Old 08-08-2015, 00:33
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Boy have 30 premiership games.

BT have 10 championship games(presumably all rangers now there's no Derby). Sky have 5 championship games
Which means that even if both don't convert their Championship games into Premiership games, at least 22 games will not involve Celtic or The Rangers.

I'm almost certain, though, that BT at least will be happy to show their 10 "additional" games. It would essentially be no different to the current situation.
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Old 08-08-2015, 01:51
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Boy should have read both above obviously
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Old 08-08-2015, 01:55
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Which means that even if both don't convert their Championship games into Premiership games, at least 22 games will not involve Celtic or The Rangers.

I'm almost certain, though, that BT at least will be happy to show their 10 "additional" games. It would essentially be no different to the current situation.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean? The broadcasters aren't allowed to show any more than 30 premiership games each so can't simply convert the championship ones.

Of course Sky and BT will be happy to show the championship games. They (Rangers)provided the biggest TV audiences last year.

http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/pos...figures-201415
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:42
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I'm a bit confused as to what you mean? The broadcasters aren't allowed to show any more than 30 premiership games each so can't simply convert the championship ones.

Of course Sky and BT will be happy to show the championship games. They (Rangers)provided the biggest TV audiences last year.

http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/pos...figures-201415
I've looked at the spreadsheet that links to and can't find the BT Sport audience of under 10k that you referred to previously.

Have you got another link for that one?
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:48
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I've looked at the spreadsheet that links to and can't find the BT Sport audience of under 10k that you referred to previously.

Have you got another link for that one?
That was from a girl that worked for BT Sport up here. She may have been exaggerating but that article did say one game had such low figures that it didn't register so maybe that's it?
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:05
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That was from a girl that worked for BT Sport up here. She may have been exaggerating but that article did say one game had such low figures that it didn't register so maybe that's it?
Just hearsay then.
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:34
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Just hearsay then.
Well she works for them so she's hardly gonna make up something that won't look good on them

I'm not being anti BT if that's what you're thinking. I think they have better coverage of Scottish football than sky do
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:38
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I'm a bit confused as to what you mean? The broadcasters aren't allowed to show any more than 30 premiership games each so can't simply convert the championship ones.

Of course Sky and BT will be happy to show the championship games. They (Rangers)provided the biggest TV audiences last year.

http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/pos...figures-201415
I meant from next season, if The Rangers are promoted. Sky and BT can show a combined 75 SPFL matches, with 5/10 from the Championship. But without The Rangers in the Championship interest in that league will effectively disappear. That's why I think BT might be prepared to keep their total 40 games but all from the Premiership.
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Old 08-08-2015, 13:16
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I meant from next season, if The Rangers are promoted. Sky and BT can show a combined 75 SPFL matches, with 5/10 from the Championship. But without The Rangers in the Championship interest in that league will effectively disappear. That's why I think BT might be prepared to keep their total 40 games but all from the Premiership.
Ah sorry I get you, I thought you meant this season. My bad
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Old 08-08-2015, 13:27
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I'm not saying for a moment that any new Scottish deal deserves parity with the English deal as that would just be stupid but they can afford to offer the SPFL a far far better deal than they do. Scotland has a population around 1/10 of the size of England so that would be fair in my eyes. .
Across the globe the Barclays Premier League continues to be the most watched football league in the world.

The Premier League is broadcast in 212 territories around the world, working with 80 different broadcasters.

The TV audience for Premier League games is 4.7bn, and the number of homes reached last season increased 11 per cent to 643m. In total, the League clocked up 185,000 hours of TV coverage in 2010/11, an increase of 65 per cent on the previous campaign.
When you get 10% of those figures you can get 10% of the money.
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Old 08-08-2015, 17:06
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Well done The Sons, magnificent display today.

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