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Old 08-08-2015, 17:24
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Well done The Sons, magnificent display today.

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Indeed, Mon the Sons. A few people surprised by that result.
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Old 08-08-2015, 17:43
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Well done The Sons, magnificent display today.

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Hibs are really gonna struggle this year I think.
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Old 08-08-2015, 18:05
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Scott Allan was pretty poor today, big Wullie Gibson had him in his pocket 1st half, I reckon Rangers are best saving their pennies as far as he's concerned.
Noted that John Collins & our old gaffer Ian Murray were in attendance today, Ian taking notes ahead of our trip to Paisley next Saturday.
It's no exaggeration to say that the result could have been easily 4-1, two 1st half chances missed by Sons.
No complaints though, a famous win for the Part-timers 👍
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Old 08-08-2015, 18:26
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Hibs are really gonna struggle this year I think.
Stubbs will be out of a job by Xmas of their poor form continues.
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Old 08-08-2015, 18:30
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Stubbs will be out of a job by Xmas of their poor form continues.
Hibs needed to come up last season.

Spending more than one season in the second tier is when you start to become entrenched there.
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Old 08-08-2015, 21:22
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So everyone in Scotland cancels Sky Sports and no one watches Scottish Football. I'm not sure why that would encourage Sky to pump multi-millions into showing Scottish Football
Churn and a reduction in income has an impact on share price.

How does the funding of the BBC impact on this?
What percentage of the licence fee is paid by people north of the border? What percentage of the licence fee in invested in Scottish football as opposed to English football?

The licence fee is pretty much a tax. Yet again the funds are burrowed away and kept in England with a tiny percentage returning north.

Sky are a business, they negotiate the rights to show Scottish Football at a price they feel is suitable based on how many viewers they think they will get. As the buyers they are judging the product rather than creating it........up to a point. If they can buy it for a pound there is no reason for them to pay £5 and if the price goes up to £5 they are free to decide that the product isn't worth buying for the extra money.
Easy to say that when they, and others, have spend billions creating the product in England.

Absolutely, but you didn't know who would win the league. There is a level of competition. We know who is winning the Scottish League next season and we know that the big draw is Celtic and then there is a massive drop off.
You've had 3 teams win the EPL in the last 11 years. That's a league with 20 teams. In Scotland it has been 2 but we play a league of 12 as opposed to 20.

Well she works for them so she's hardly gonna make up something that won't look good on them

I'm not being anti BT if that's what you're thinking. I think they have better coverage of Scottish football than sky do
I worked for BT for almost 15 years, the amount of rubbish you would hear on a daily basis would be amazing.

It's easy for people to pretend to be ITK when they haven't got a clue.

When you get 10% of those figures you can get 10% of the money.
I don't quite understand why you have posted stats including international stats when it is the 'domestic' rights we are speaking about.
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Old 09-08-2015, 10:56
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Churn and a reduction in income has an impact on share price.



What percentage of the licence fee is paid by people north of the border? What percentage of the licence fee in invested in Scottish football as opposed to English football?
It does matter for the purposes of this discussion.

The licence fee is pretty much a tax. Yet again the funds are burrowed away and kept in England with a tiny percentage returning north.
Again, that has nothing to do with this discussion. We are talking about Sky and/or BT who are run purely as a business.



Easy to say that when they, and others, have spend billions creating the product in England.
And that was their choice there is no obligation to do the same in Scotland and there is no mechanism to do so even if they wanted to. Even now if its Stoke v Everton you are saying "WTF?" if its hyped up, the same would happen with Aberdeen v Motherwell, people aren't daft.


You've had 3 teams win the EPL in the last 11 years. That's a league with 20 teams. In Scotland it has been 2 but we play a league of 12 as opposed to 20.
But its not two now, its one. Thats my point.

Celtic will win the league and if a team dares to challenge them they just buy their 3 best players and that sorts it out.

Celtic are playing now with Dundee United's 3 best players. Im not knocking that, Celtic have signed 3 good players but it has killed the challenge from them.

Its totally different in England and you know what I'm saying when i reference it.

You are a smart cookie Timboy, I can see that, but you have to admit there isn't much about Scottish football outside of Parkhead that would make a broadcaster invest. I was watching a programme the other day that went back to the UEFA Cup final vs Porto and that Celtic team would (and did) give any PL team a scare. If you put the current Celtic team against Stoke right now then they wouldn't be favourites. Thats not a dig, i just think its true.
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Old 09-08-2015, 11:36
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We have an inferior product in an aggressive and competitive market. The broadcasters want higher ratings so they can sell more advertising. The best way to get more people watching is to be the only football on which would mean a move to summer football. We'd get slightly better weather for the games, ready for Europe and hopefully negotiate a more lucrative deal.
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Old 09-08-2015, 17:29
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The English do a great job marketing the EPL but personally I would choose Spanish, German or Italian football if I was looking to watch a "live game" over the much vaunted Premiership.

In fact I watched the 1st half of Stoke v Liverpool and I am not sure how MOTD2 are going to get highlights for that ... utter shite springs to mind especially when you consider the money that is being spunked by all the clubs.

However when you consider that Celtic are 1/33 for the title and clubs like Dundee United are selling their best players to them and replacing them with free transfers it doesn't exactly make for an enthralling product. Until Rangers become a force again Scottish football will have to stay very much in the shadows ...
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:27
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Again, that has nothing to do with this discussion. We are talking about Sky and/or BT who are run purely as a business.
It has plenty to do with this discussion, I mentioned media partners before and the BBC are a media partner.

Whilst nobody has to pay for Sky or BT subs it is a very different story if you want to watch live FTA television.

And that was their choice there is no obligation to do the same in Scotland and there is no mechanism to do so even if they wanted to. Even now if its Stoke v Everton you are saying "WTF?" if its hyped up, the same would happen with Aberdeen v Motherwell, people aren't daft.
Certainly no obligation but your "no mechanism" comment is obviously not correct.

Celtic will win the league and if a team dares to challenge them they just buy their 3 best players and that sorts it out.

Celtic are playing now with Dundee United's 3 best players. Im not knocking that, Celtic have signed 3 good players but it has killed the challenge from them.
You're showing how little you know about Scottish football there mate.

You are a smart cookie Timboy
First time I've ever been called that on this thread.

but you have to admit there isn't much about Scottish football outside of Parkhead that would make a broadcaster invest.
It is a speculate to accumulate situation. More investment in Scottish football would mean the teams would attract better players, get further in Europe, attract bigger crowds and increase interest in the game. For the broadcasters it means increased viewing figures and more advertising revenue.

I was watching a programme the other day that went back to the UEFA Cup final vs Porto and that Celtic team would (and did) give any PL team a scare. If you put the current Celtic team against Stoke right now then they wouldn't be favourites. Thats not a dig, i just think its true.
And I agree with you. We've been left behind due to increasingly poor tv deals we've received.
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Old 10-08-2015, 15:21
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John Collins basically summing up why the TV deal is crap:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-football.html
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Old 10-08-2015, 15:59
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John Collins basically summing up why the TV deal is crap:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-football.html
Bayern Munich have exactly the same issue in Germany as Celtic have in Scotland, in the last 3 years they won the league by 25, 19 and 10 points with a combined goal difference of +213. They've skooshed their league.

The German TV deal is far from crap.
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Old 10-08-2015, 16:31
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Germany has 80 million people and their teams have their grounds capacity at 90%+ for a lot of the teams and they have some of the most exciting players in the world there and they bring through German youths which is why they win the world cup. Even if you don't win the league you are going for champions league places or cups. Over here Celtic or the referee have to mess up really badly to stop the treble and even getting into Europe for your Aberdeen or St Johnstone just means you'll be dumped out before the schools go back.

I'd like a better TV deal, but we need to be realistic with what we have. It needs Rangers back in the Premiership for negotiating a better deal and long term probably a move to summer football for the deal to get significantly better. We are missing a trick there. It would also help if Rangers and Celtic didn't weaken the rest of Scottish teams and then complain there is no competition, but that is football and happens in Germany too.
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Old 10-08-2015, 17:27
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Germany has 80 million people and their teams have their grounds capacity at 90%+ for a lot of the teams and they have some of the most exciting players in the world there and they bring through German youths which is why they win the world cup. Even if you don't win the league you are going for champions league places or cups. Over here Celtic or the referee have to mess up really badly to stop the treble and even getting into Europe for your Aberdeen or St Johnstone just means you'll be dumped out before the schools go back.

I'd like a better TV deal, but we need to be realistic with what we have. It needs Rangers back in the Premiership for negotiating a better deal and long term probably a move to summer football for the deal to get significantly better. We are missing a trick there. It would also help if Rangers and Celtic didn't weaken the rest of Scottish teams and then complain there is no competition, but that is football and happens in Germany too.
You're trying to move the goal posts there Franco, either that or you just wanted to have a pop at a Celtic employee........
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Old 10-08-2015, 18:06
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You're trying to move the goal posts there Franco, either that or you just wanted to have a pop at a Celtic employee........
John Collins is only saying what others are afraid to say.

If you are selling a top notch product with a lot of fan interest like the English and the Germans are you can expect a good TV deal. In Scotland we are selling a bad product and a top league with no competition and some horrendous football (aka Partick Thistle yesterday).

Generally only people in Scotland are interested in football from Scotland and usually most are only interested in 2 teams. You'll get a better deal when they are in the same league and negotiations come up again, but Sky or BT are in a buyer's market. They could offer us a poke of chips and it'd be accepted.
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Old 10-08-2015, 18:56
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Derek McInnes leading the charge against John Collins.

His record against Celtic last year Played 4, Lost 4
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Old 10-08-2015, 19:41
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John Collins is only saying what others are afraid to say.
Others have agreed with him and if the EPL wasn't such a cash cow managers and pundits down there would be saying it as well. If Mourinho was to come out and say that he doesn't think that Norwich will pose as much of a threat as Barcelona or Bayern Munich nobody would disagree with him. All the fans know it and that is basically all that Collins said.

In Scotland we are selling a bad product and a top league with no competition and some horrendous football (aka Partick Thistle yesterday).
Due to serial underinvestment.

Generally only people in Scotland are interested in football from Scotland
The League Cup semi final last season was shown live in 54 countries.


Barry Hearn was right with his comments on Scottish football last year. Doncaster and Regan need to be shown the door.
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Old 10-08-2015, 21:07
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Derek McInnes leading the charge against John Collins.

His record against Celtic last year Played 4, Lost 4
Would that be the same guy who said this about Rijeka?
"No-one will test our discipline domestically like that and their movement and swiftness of their play was excellent."
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Old 10-08-2015, 22:31
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Others have agreed with him and if the EPL wasn't such a cash cow managers and pundits down there would be saying it as well. If Mourinho was to come out and say that he doesn't think that Norwich will pose as much of a threat as Barcelona or Bayern Munich nobody would disagree with him. All the fans know it and that is basically all that Collins said.

Due to serial underinvestment.

The League Cup semi final last season was shown live in 54 countries.

Barry Hearn was right with his comments on Scottish football last year. Doncaster and Regan need to be shown the door.
Rangers playing Celtic is what the broadcasters want, it's all they really want. The TV deal will improve when Rangers go up but everything finds its true market value and unfortunately the Scottish value is low.

We need to differentiate ourselves from England and that means go to summer football. I'd like to see Barry Hearn run football up here.
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Old 11-08-2015, 21:52
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Anyone care to explain how in the hell Willie Collum has managed to referee the UEFA Super Cup final - he's not fit to ref the Petrofac training cup!
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Old 11-08-2015, 22:05
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Anyone care to explain how in the hell Willie Collum has managed to referee the UEFA Super Cup final - he's not fit to ref the Petrofac training cup!
Not been watching it but I see he's given his usual penalty.
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Old 11-08-2015, 22:22
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Not been watching it but I see he's given his usual penalty.
getting praise from Jake humphries well he once worked for cbb
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Old 11-08-2015, 22:31
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What a night at Tannadice.
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Old 11-08-2015, 22:34
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fourth or fifth by end of season for them?
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Old 11-08-2015, 22:43
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fourth or fifth by end of season for them?
6th or 7th for me. Although it's hard to seperate quite a few of the teams. I think Dundee may well finish just above them.

A couple of decent signings before the window closes could be the difference between 3rd and 7th for several teams.
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