You go by player ratings in a paper?

we need to hope Ireland get beaten in their last two games against Germany and Poland (presuming they get 3 tomorrow). Presuming we get nothing tomorrow, we need six from Poland and Gibraltar to finish third. Still possible

But we'll still have wee Franco & co kicking us in the baws, even if we do get third place

Hopefully we would get someone like Israel or Albania, but it would probably be Netherlands or Ukraine

If we somehow manage to scrape third, it's inevitable we'll get The Netherlands.

I remember when the expansion to the Euros was announced and we were told by the Scottish Media that it would be harder to not qualify. Even if a top-2 place in the group was out of the question, it would only be dross left in the play-offs because all the big guns were already through.

How wrong they were on so many fronts.

The Scottish media are starting to turn the side though realising that we don't have quality and we are at a very low level

That's if they rescue their campaign and make it to the playoffs.

In serious bother now.

Does anyway actually believe we finishing anywhere but 4th

Still possible to finish 3rd but no longer in our own hands. Have to win last 2 games. I think we'll lose tomorrow.

Ahead of your inaccurate ratings because he's a Celtic player? Yes. Wait and see Brown back to snarling and puffed out chest against Aberdeen like a flat track bully.

Your team not third just now?

You assume he supports Ireland just because he's a Celtic fan?

You don't get many saltires at your games.

I've seen one. Who cares?

Watching the Wales game you realise how much of a difference a couple of creative players make to a fairly ordinary side.

Scotland badly lack creative players to make a differences in these qualifying games.

Maloney is supposed to be creative but it's a done at a slow one touch too many type pace, compared to how the likes of bale and Ramsay move the ba,k for Wales

I doubt many in your support will be looking at the group table and lamenting it.

Forrest has pace but he's never been good for Scotland. Armstrong will be a good player for Scotland when he recovers from injury. Defence still looks too shaky for me.

We don't have anyone that is world class like Bale or even Arsenal class like Ramsey or a good solid centre back like Williams. We're lumbered with our number one picks being Sunderland players that can barely score or our 'Gareth Bale' being 32 year old Shaun "Chicago Fire" Maloney. It will be a minor miracle if we don't take a hiding tomorrow.

After the confusion over the weekend sad to confirm Ralph Milne has died aged 54

Come on Frankie, even your trolling is out of date these days!

Yeah Chesney must have watched that 1 game for Hull and thought "yes, that's my Gareth Bale". He was punted to the wilderness for some MLS team and he's still probably the first name on the team sheet. Then we bring on James Forrest, when was the last time he played well for Scotland?

Bad tactics, stubborn refusal to play anyone but whose face fits and what sounds like a joke of a preparation of the flights. Like Celtic in Malmo even a draw would have done us a good turn and he goes and loses it without a shot on goal.

They've just said on Sky that it is still in our own hands, and they're right.

If we win our three remaining games, at worst we'll be level on points with Poland - but would be ahead of them on head-to-head (1 win and 1 draw).

Huge 'if', though.

Its not really in our own hands - we need Ireland to lose their last 2 games if we don't win tonight. We also need to beat Poland and Gibraltar.

Yes dont get where that was coming from.

Team looks horrendous a lot of undroppable players it seems