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Found this quite interesting, I wonder if you will? ![]() That Celtic owns everything they say they own? Whoever wrote that is probably hurting and not just a sandwich but a picnic short of a picnic |
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Me & my bugger van didn't help, either!
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What is interesting about it?
![]() That Celtic owns everything they say they own? Whoever wrote that is probably hurting and not just a sandwich but a picnic short of a picnic I never questioned that Celtic own what they say they own, just the parent company name! It doesn't matter who wrote it or whether they are hurting or not, the information from companies house is there in black & white! So my question is, What are they really called? |
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What's interesting about it is the fact that the company that owns Celtic has changed names several times, Pacific Shelf 595, HMS 402.
I never questioned that Celtic own what they say they own, just the parent company name! It doesn't matter who wrote it or whether they are hurting or not, the information from companies house is there in black & white! So my question is, What are they really called? |
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Who cares? Celtic FC is the common name. Or Celtic PLC if you are posh.
To me that equates to the football club. Always have been, always will be. |
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The TV games for the next round of the Scottish Cup have been announced.
Celtic v Aberdeen is Saturday lunchtime on Sky; Dundee Utd v St Mirren Sunday lunchtime same place. And the BBC? Well, after overlooking the Dundee Utd game (they get 2nd pick so could have select it before Sky), and a couple of other Premiership sides away to lower league opposition, they've decided on a run of the mill League 1 game. Sevco v Dunfermline on the Friday night. |
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Ayr United player accused by the SFA of betting on 150 or so games including 6 involving his own team.
Should be a three match ban and no more. |
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What's interesting about it is the fact that the company that owns Celtic has changed names several times, Pacific Shelf 595, HMS 402.
I never questioned that Celtic own what they say they own, just the parent company name! It doesn't matter who wrote it or whether they are hurting or not, the information from companies house is there in black & white! So my question is, What are they really called? They are really called Celtic PLC and compete under the SFA and SPL with the name Celtic FC or Celtic Football Club or Celtic. Shareholders own Celtic not a holding company. Celtic are the holding company of the subsidaries mentioned in there. A holding company owns Sevco though. Sevco who compete under the name The Rangers FC, The Rangers Football Club or The Rangers are owned by The Rangers International FC Ltd who are owned by Shareholders. Celtic(PLC) were formed in 1888, became a Ltd company in 1897, so that they could Legally accept payments and pay players and staff - before that they done that illegally although everyone did as football wasnt really professional then. They remained a Ltd company until the mid 90s when they became a PLC. The Rangers were formed in 2012 as a Ltd company and became a subsiadary of The Rangers International FC Ltd later that year. The old Rangers were formed in 1872, became a Ltd company in 1899, became a PLC in the late 90s and snuffed it in 2012. Selling their assets to a a company who became a football club a couple of weeks later upon acceptance into the SFA and SFL. |
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Also I find it funny when anyone points out that the New Rangers are infact New. People say "They play at the same stadium, have the same manager, same fans go, have the same badge" etc
Why dont they play in the same League? Ive never heard of a Club applying to join a League they were supposedly already in or applying for membership of a Football Association they were supposedly already a member of. Or having to register players, who were supposedly already registered to them. The reason Sevco's Transfer ban started after the Transfer window shut(I think 1 September 2012) was because Sevco had no players, so had to register players to even play a match. If they were the old club, they would have had players and the ban the old club were under would have continued but the old club died and they were a new club without players who had to register players before they could play hence their ban not being imposed from the start of their existance but after they could register a squad. |
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The current Rangers International board to remain in place after the AGM leaving Paul Murray, Jim McColl etc... looking very stupid.
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Wasn't Rangers previous membership transferred to Newco so they continue as the same FA member?
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The current Rangers International board to remain in place after the AGM leaving Paul Murray, Jim McColl etc... looking very stupid.
Murray and that should have dipped into their pockets and bought the assets when they could. The thing with Sevco is, they need outside investment to challange The Champions as Celtic are too rich and powerful for them to compete with. Thats why there is panic to invest money in them. If Sevco could run within their own means, then they could raise £20million, takeover the Club and run it sensibly within it's own means. But thats the problem, they know they cant do that. So that £20million has to go into the clubs pockets. |
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Wasn't Rangers previous membership transferred to Newco so they continue as the same FA member?
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No. The Rangers had to apply for SFA membership; indeed, their first game was in doubt because it wasn't granted until the last minute (and even then it was provisional).
They got a Provisional Membership because they never qualified for full membership due to not having the required 3 years accounting History as they were only weeks old at the time. They tried to transfer SPL membership which should not happen but the SPL bottled it and made the Clubs vote rather than just laughing in their faces and telling them to GTF. If they allowed that it would have been hilarious. Could you imagine buying over Spartans and then offering the owners of Aberdeen £50million to transfer their SPL membership to Spartans and then Spartans just take Aberdeens place in the SPL LOL The SFA actually said "A conditional membership will be issued to Sevco Scotland Ltd today, allowing Sunday’s Ramsdens Cup tie against Brechin City to go ahead." Key points: - The Scottish FA has received all necessary information and documentation from Sevco Scotland Ltd, including details of the company structure, shareholders, financial projections and business plan. - Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)'s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs. - Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations. - The Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League have reached agreement on the purchase of a package of broadcasting rights which will allow the former to include The Rangers FC matches in contracts with broadcast partners. - The Scottish Premier League has reserved its position in relation to the on-going investigation into EBTs. Notice how they call them RFC (IA) Rangers Football Club (In Administration). Who are different to who they call "Sevco Scotland(aka The Rangers FC)" It's quite messy, which is why Sevco fans may have been conned into thinking they are supporting Rangers. If you remember back when they first started playing everything involving them was called "The Rangers FC", everyone called them it BBC, STV, Sky Sports, the SFL, SFA that was because when they joined the SFA, "Rangers FC" were also members, so they had to register with the name "The Rangers FC". They only changed to "Rangers", once Rangers ceased to be members and freed up the name of the old Club for the new one to use. The same happened with the official name, they were Originally called Sevco Scotland but as part of the Asset buying deal of the Old Club they agreed to change the official name of the old Club so the New Club could change their official name to the name of the old Club. |
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No. The Rangers had to apply for SFA membership; indeed, their first game was in doubt because it wasn't granted until the last minute (and even then it was provisional).
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The SFA further pointed out that, following RFC’s transfer to a new corporate owner, Newco did not take a new membership of the Scottish FA but rather that previous membership was transferred across to them so they could continue as the same member of the Scottish FA.
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The ASA just made a judgement on Rangers adverts about being the most successful club in the world which said:
Look up the SFA rules ONLY Clubs are members of the SFA. How could a Club transfer a membership to a Club that is the same Club as that Club claims to be haha It's like me saying, I want to transfer my passport to a different me, its still me but its a different me to me but its not different by the way its still me for a brief second there will be two me's agreeing to swap places with me but then only one me will exist after the other me gives me the passport. |
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Why did Rangers not stay in the same Division Rangers were in if both were Rangers?
Look up the SFA rules ONLY Clubs are members of the SFA. How could a Club transfer a membership to a Club that is the same Club as that Club claims to be haha It's like me saying, I want to transfer my passport to a different me, its still me but its a different me to me but its not different by the way its still me for a brief second there will be two me's agreeing to swap places with me but then only one me will exist after the other me gives me the passport. Quote:
“We consulted with UEFA, which explained that its rules allowed for the recognition of the ‘sporting continuity’ of a club’s match record, even if that club’s corporate structure had changed,” the ruling stated. So if Rangers can advertise as the most successful club in the world, then wouldn't it mean it is the same club?
“We also consulted with the SFA, which confirmed that its definition of a football ‘club’ varied depending on context, and could sometimes refer to an entity separate from the club’s corporate owner. “The SFA further pointed out that, following RFC’s transfer to a new corporate owner, Newco did not take a new membership of the Scottish FA but rather that previous membership was transferred across to them so they could continue as the same member of the Scottish FA. |
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The ASA statement said:
So if Rangers can advertise as the most successful club in the world, then wouldn't it mean it is the same club? |
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Rangers have the same SFA membership the club has always had, i.e. for about 140 years. However, the club is run by a mew company ("newco") now. Some things had to be transferred from the old company to the new company.
Certain fans of other clubs definitely have the same old obsession with Rangers.
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Football is all about opinions - Rangers are the same club when it suits them and are not when it doesn't.
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Will be interesting to see what punishment Michael Moffat will get - shouldn't be anything more than a 3 game ban.
Ayr United chairman says players need to be educated on the rules of betting. How much education is required for players to know that you CANNOT bet on football matches - it really is a simple rule. |
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Will be interesting to see what punishment Michael Moffat will get - shouldn't be anything more than a 3 game ban.
Ayr United chairman says players need to be educated on the rules of betting. How much education is required for players to know that you CANNOT bet on football matches - it really is a simple rule. Black bet on matches involving his own team 3 times, as far as I recall. Black got a 3 game ban (plus 7 games suspended). Moffat has allegedly bet on 6 matches involving his own team. So maybe he should get a 6 game ban (plus 14 suspended). I don't know. Let's wait and see. |
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If you bet against your own team you should be banned for like a year as that should be seen as match fixing. Why would you bet against your own team?????
As a fan you might but if your playing its sheer madness. Just before Ian Black joined Sevco though, he was in the Celts Well in Santa Ponsa wearing a Celtic top watching the Ireland game at the EUROs maybe he just had a habit of betting against teams called Rangers. |
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Football is all about opinions - Rangers are the same club when it suits them and are not when it doesn't.
After reading the confusing explanations on here about how Celtic are the same club/ pacific shelf/HMS402/ plc/ ltd or whatever they are called I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion! The Rangers situation with the old company being liquidated and the new company taking over will always be disagreed on! The club remains the same club as it's always been, it doesn't matter how much some people try to say otherwise. Fans of other clubs will not agree with this but its true and they need to move on as they are coming across as being obsessed with Rangers more so than their own clubs! |
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After reading the confusing explanations on here about how Celtic are the same club/ pacific shelf/HMS402/ plc/ ltd or whatever they are called I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion!
The Rangers situation with the old company being liquidated and the new company taking over will always be disagreed on! The club remains the same club as it's always been, it doesn't matter how much some people try to say otherwise. Fans of other clubs will not agree with this but its true and they need to move on as they are coming across as being obsessed with Rangers more so than their own clubs! |
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