Sacking Strachan won't change anything. The next manager will still work with the same squad.
Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)
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As I said name me 5 Icelandic players without Google. You probably couldn't. They beat Holland home and away, qualified out of a group tougher than ours with a population of 323,000 vs 5,295,000.
They had a foreign manager, Lars Lagerback, guiding them. We need to forget Berti Vogts era and get in the right man for the job who will pick players based on form and not reputation.
They had a foreign manager, Lars Lagerback, guiding them. We need to forget Berti Vogts era and get in the right man for the job who will pick players based on form and not reputation.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“As I said name me 5 Icelandic players without Google. You probably couldn't. They beat Holland home and away, qualified out of a group tougher than ours with a population of 323,000 vs 5,295,000.
They had a foreign manager, Lars Lagerback, guiding them. We need to forget Berti Vogts era and get in the right man for the job who will pick players based on form and not reputation.”
“As I said name me 5 Icelandic players without Google. You probably couldn't. They beat Holland home and away, qualified out of a group tougher than ours with a population of 323,000 vs 5,295,000.
They had a foreign manager, Lars Lagerback, guiding them. We need to forget Berti Vogts era and get in the right man for the job who will pick players based on form and not reputation.”
Whether you can name this is irrelevent. Could an Iclandic fan name 5 Scottish players? I would need to seem them play before I can make a judgement on them however I would be shocked if technically, tactically and physically they were worse than the Scotland players.
Also it's not just about getting out of a group once. The only way Scotland will achieve this ona regular basis is by having a steady stream of players coming through.
Qualifying campaigns tend to always have some outsiders suurprising everyone. It does happen.
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“Strachan's wee smart arse comments have dried up like his form. Iceland and Northern Ireland can make the finals with a combined population of less than half of ours and that clown is on about deflected goals and marginal offsides.”
“Strachan's wee smart arse comments have dried up like his form. Iceland and Northern Ireland can make the finals with a combined population of less than half of ours and that clown is on about deflected goals and marginal offsides.”
Not sure what population size has to do with it either.
Going by that Metric NZ should never win @ Rugby against the bigger nations, India should always win in the cricket and smaller nations like Holland should never really do that well in the Football.
Forget population size and instead focus on the more important things like how many Grade A coaches work in Scotland? How many kids play the sport? The facilities avaliable and so on?
Surely its no coincidence that every Manager seems to fail @ the Scotland job.
How appealing is the job to non scots?
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Whether you can name this is irrelevent. Could an Iclandic fan name 5 Scottish players? I would need to seem them play before I can make a judgement on them however I would be shocked if technically, tactically and physically they were worse than the Scotland players.
Also it's not just about getting out of a group once. The only way Scotland will achieve this ona regular basis is by having a steady stream of players coming through.
Qualifying campaigns tend to always have some outsiders suurprising everyone. It does happen.
Not sure what population size has to do with it either.
Going by that Metric NZ should never win @ Rugby against the bigger nations, India should always win in the cricket and smaller nations like Holland should never really do that well in the Football.
Forget population size and instead focus on the more important things like how many Grade A coaches work in Scotland? How many kids play the sport? The facilities avaliable and so on?
Surely its no coincidence that every Manager seems to fail @ the Scotland job.
How appealing is the job to non scots?”
“Whether you can name this is irrelevent. Could an Iclandic fan name 5 Scottish players? I would need to seem them play before I can make a judgement on them however I would be shocked if technically, tactically and physically they were worse than the Scotland players.
Also it's not just about getting out of a group once. The only way Scotland will achieve this ona regular basis is by having a steady stream of players coming through.
Qualifying campaigns tend to always have some outsiders suurprising everyone. It does happen.
Not sure what population size has to do with it either.
Going by that Metric NZ should never win @ Rugby against the bigger nations, India should always win in the cricket and smaller nations like Holland should never really do that well in the Football.
Forget population size and instead focus on the more important things like how many Grade A coaches work in Scotland? How many kids play the sport? The facilities avaliable and so on?
Surely its no coincidence that every Manager seems to fail @ the Scotland job.
How appealing is the job to non scots?”
How can we not have good enough players if Iceland and Northern Ireland are qualifying? Josh Magennis is a crap Kilmarnock striker and even he managed to score and go to the Euros. Is he better than our strikers? I highly doubt it.
Population does matter, the more people you have the deeper the talent pool should be. Football is the national sport, nobody gives a toss about rugby here. Where is the Brazilian rugby team? The German rugby team? It's a minority sport like cricket. New Zealand are also crap at football.
Iceland has a population smaller than Edinburgh and mostly made up of players you haven't heard of and a poor domestic league. Pretty sure all Icelandic football fans will have heard of a lot of the Scotland team like Naismith, the two Fletchers, Morrison, McArthur, Rhodes, Dorrans, etc. Unfortunately for us the manager can't organise them into a winning team because he's shite. These players are being coached at mostly top (or just below top tier) teams and Naismith is scoring a hattrick against Chelsea so I can't see lack of quality being to blame.
An international job is still a good job, especially if we back it up with some decent money. The Middlesbrough reject isn't good enough.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“How can we not have good enough players if Iceland and Northern Ireland are qualifying? Josh Magennis is a crap Kilmarnock striker and even he managed to score and go to the Euros. Is he better than our strikers? I highly doubt it.
Population does matter, the more people you have the deeper the talent pool should be. Football is the national sport, nobody gives a toss about rugby here. Where is the Brazilian rugby team? The German rugby team? It's a minority sport like cricket. New Zealand are also crap at football.
Iceland has a population smaller than Edinburgh and mostly made up of players you haven't heard of and a poor domestic league. Pretty sure all Icelandic football fans will have heard of a lot of the Scotland team like Naismith, the two Fletchers, Morrison, McArthur, Rhodes, Dorrans, etc. Unfortunately for us the manager can't organise them into a winning team because he's shite. These players are being coached at mostly top (or just below top tier) teams and Naismith is scoring a hattrick against Chelsea so I can't see lack of quality being to blame.
An international job is still a good job, especially if we back it up with some decent money. The Middlesbrough reject isn't good enough.”
“How can we not have good enough players if Iceland and Northern Ireland are qualifying? Josh Magennis is a crap Kilmarnock striker and even he managed to score and go to the Euros. Is he better than our strikers? I highly doubt it.
Population does matter, the more people you have the deeper the talent pool should be. Football is the national sport, nobody gives a toss about rugby here. Where is the Brazilian rugby team? The German rugby team? It's a minority sport like cricket. New Zealand are also crap at football.
Iceland has a population smaller than Edinburgh and mostly made up of players you haven't heard of and a poor domestic league. Pretty sure all Icelandic football fans will have heard of a lot of the Scotland team like Naismith, the two Fletchers, Morrison, McArthur, Rhodes, Dorrans, etc. Unfortunately for us the manager can't organise them into a winning team because he's shite. These players are being coached at mostly top (or just below top tier) teams and Naismith is scoring a hattrick against Chelsea so I can't see lack of quality being to blame.
An international job is still a good job, especially if we back it up with some decent money. The Middlesbrough reject isn't good enough.”
As I said if its simply about numbers then a nation like India where cricket is the national game should dominate for decades like The west indies and Australia did (far smaller poulations).
You do not need a huge population to produce decent athletes as other nations have shown.
If you dont have enough coaches actually teaching people then it really does matter whether scotland has 5 mil or 20 mil people living there.
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“Pretty sure all Icelandic football fans will have heard of a lot of the Scotland team like Naismith, the two Fletchers, Morrison, McArthur, Rhodes, Dorrans, etc.”
“Pretty sure all Icelandic football fans will have heard of a lot of the Scotland team like Naismith, the two Fletchers, Morrison, McArthur, Rhodes, Dorrans, etc.”
I doubt it.
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“How can we not have good enough players if Iceland and Northern Ireland are qualifying?”
“How can we not have good enough players if Iceland and Northern Ireland are qualifying?”
Ok let me ask you this. Does Scotland have a better side than Germany, Poland and Ireland? They are the sides that they will finish below.
Yes Northern Ireland and Iceland have got past sides you could argue are better on paper than them but sometimes that just happens in qualfying football.
It would be no surprise come the next qualifying campaign for the World Cup that both of those sides struggle.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
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Yes Northern Ireland and Iceland have got past sides you could argue are better on paper than them but sometimes that just happens in qualfying football.
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Yes Northern Ireland and Iceland have got past sides you could argue are better on paper than them but sometimes that just happens in qualfying football.
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Then why doesn't it happen to Scotland?
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“As I said if its simply about numbers then a nation like India where cricket is the national game should dominate for decades like The west indies and Australia did (far smaller poulations).
You do not need a huge population to produce decent athletes as other nations have shown.
If you dont have enough coaches actually teaching people then it really does matter whether scotland has 5 mil or 20 mil people living there.”
“As I said if its simply about numbers then a nation like India where cricket is the national game should dominate for decades like The west indies and Australia did (far smaller poulations).
You do not need a huge population to produce decent athletes as other nations have shown.
If you dont have enough coaches actually teaching people then it really does matter whether scotland has 5 mil or 20 mil people living there.”
We don't have the right coach in charge of the national team. A better coach is getting players of similar or worse standard to perform for Iceland
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“I doubt it.”
“I doubt it.”
If they watch the Premiership or Championship or Soccer Saturday they'll know who they are, even Celtic players they'll probably know.
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“Ok let me ask you this. Does Scotland have a better side than Germany, Poland and Ireland? They are the sides that they will finish below.
Yes Northern Ireland and Iceland have got past sides you could argue are better on paper than them but sometimes that just happens in qualfying football.
It would be no surprise come the next qualifying campaign for the World Cup that both of those sides struggle.”
“Ok let me ask you this. Does Scotland have a better side than Germany, Poland and Ireland? They are the sides that they will finish below.
Yes Northern Ireland and Iceland have got past sides you could argue are better on paper than them but sometimes that just happens in qualfying football.
It would be no surprise come the next qualifying campaign for the World Cup that both of those sides struggle.”
We aren't in the Germans league but Ireland and Poland we went undefeated against and apart from one world class player in Lewandowski there isn't much in it. Martin O'Neill plays to the Irish strengths of just hoofing it and chasing and jumping into people at set pieces. We don't seem to have much of a philosophy apart from hit Fletcher who is supposedly good at holding it up.
Poland and Ireland both have pretty favourable World Cup draws. We always complain England get an easy group so now is our chance to test that theory. Guarantee we mess it up away to Lithuania.
Once Rangers are back they'll bring through some decent youngsters who know how to play the right way. Scottish football cut its nose off to spite its face and they are paying the price for it just now with their shambolic European and international displays.
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“Celtic Football Club @celticfc Oct 8
Good luck to the @FAIreland tonight #ireger #makethematchgreen”
“Celtic Football Club @celticfc Oct 8
Good luck to the @FAIreland tonight #ireger #makethematchgreen”
Embarrassing when you consider Peter Lawwell has been appointed to the main board of the Scottish Football Association.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Once Rangers are back they'll bring through some decent youngsters who know how to play the right way. Scottish football cut its nose off to spite its face and they are paying the price for it just now with their shambolic European and international displays.”
“Once Rangers are back they'll bring through some decent youngsters who know how to play the right way. Scottish football cut its nose off to spite its face and they are paying the price for it just now with their shambolic European and international displays.”
Just remind us of all that Scottish talent that came through ibrox in that last 15 years?
How about Rangers performance in Europe. Please do share those glory times?
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“We don't have the right coach in charge of the national team. A better coach is getting players of similar or worse standard to perform for Iceland
If they watch the Premiership or Championship or Soccer Saturday they'll know who they are, even Celtic players they'll probably know.
We aren't in the Germans league but Ireland and Poland we went undefeated against and apart from one world class player in Lewandowski there isn't much in it. Martin O'Neill plays to the Irish strengths of just hoofing it and chasing and jumping into people at set pieces. We don't seem to have much of a philosophy apart from hit Fletcher who is supposedly good at holding it up.
Poland and Ireland both have pretty favourable World Cup draws. We always complain England get an easy group so now is our chance to test that theory. Guarantee we mess it up away to Lithuania.”
“We don't have the right coach in charge of the national team. A better coach is getting players of similar or worse standard to perform for Iceland
If they watch the Premiership or Championship or Soccer Saturday they'll know who they are, even Celtic players they'll probably know.
We aren't in the Germans league but Ireland and Poland we went undefeated against and apart from one world class player in Lewandowski there isn't much in it. Martin O'Neill plays to the Irish strengths of just hoofing it and chasing and jumping into people at set pieces. We don't seem to have much of a philosophy apart from hit Fletcher who is supposedly good at holding it up.
Poland and Ireland both have pretty favourable World Cup draws. We always complain England get an easy group so now is our chance to test that theory. Guarantee we mess it up away to Lithuania.”
But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
Wales also have the likes of Ben Davies and Ashley Williams which is a few levels up from us.
None of the Scotland side would get a game for Wales .
Long is like a goal scoring better quality more mobile version of fletcher
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Just remind us of all that Scottish talent that came through ibrox in that last 15 years?
How about Rangers performance in Europe. Please do share those glory times?”
“Just remind us of all that Scottish talent that came through ibrox in that last 15 years?
How about Rangers performance in Europe. Please do share those glory times?”
The best goalkeeper is McGregor, the last good centre back we had was Weir, the best player we have is Naismith even at left back the best Scottish left back is Lee Wallace and Strachan goes with crap like Whittaker. His loyalty to dross like Brown and Forrest and Fletcher and other out of form crap is what cost us.
A crap manager who can't change it when it is going wrong.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
Ireland have been rank rotten this campaign - Scotland have scored enough goals against what I would say are the top two or three in the group, so let's dispense this myth that an out and out goal scorer has cost us.
Where we have failed is every time we have scored we have used that as a default retreat to our 18 yard box to hold what we have ... if you have a good solid defence then fair enough you might see that as a positive tactic. We got in front against Poland and stopped playing in favour of getting bodies behind the ball. Where Poland should have been under pressure we simply chose to allow quality players more time on the ball and we got what we deserved ultimately.
Most of the goals we have lost this campaign have been in the avoidable position - in fact I would say schoolboys would be cringing at most of the goals we have lost in the important games.
We are purely treading water under Strachan and failing to qualify is simply not acceptable when you consider it was any 3 from 4 ... somebody fresh has to move us forward the momentum that Strachan gave us has been lacking for the best part of a year. I think Strachan will see the bigger picture however ...
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Embarrassing when you consider Peter Lawwell has been appointed to the main board of the Scottish Football Association.”
“Embarrassing when you consider Peter Lawwell has been appointed to the main board of the Scottish Football Association.”
Celtic also wished good luck to the Celtic players in the Scotland squad. Its a non story. Nice to see you get offended about nothing.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Once Rangers are back they'll bring through some decent youngsters who know how to play the right way. Scottish football cut its nose off to spite its face and they are paying the price for it just now with their shambolic European and international displays.”
“Once Rangers are back they'll bring through some decent youngsters who know how to play the right way. Scottish football cut its nose off to spite its face and they are paying the price for it just now with their shambolic European and international displays.”
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Celtic also wished good luck to the Celtic players in the Scotland squad. Its a non story. Nice to see you get offended about nothing.”
“Celtic also wished good luck to the Celtic players in the Scotland squad. Its a non story. Nice to see you get offended about nothing.”
Why should they wish Ireland well? No Celtic players were involved in the Irish squad, and what's worse is an Irish result would impact directly on Scotland's fortunes. Scotland.....you know, the country Celtic are from and where they draw 90% of their support from.....
Originally Posted by TrebleKing:
“Why should they wish Ireland well? No Celtic players were involved in the Irish squad, and what's worse is an Irish result would impact directly on Scotland's fortunes. Scotland.....you know, the country Celtic are from and where they draw 90% of their support from.....”
“Why should they wish Ireland well? No Celtic players were involved in the Irish squad, and what's worse is an Irish result would impact directly on Scotland's fortunes. Scotland.....you know, the country Celtic are from and where they draw 90% of their support from.....”
Martin O'Neill ex Celtic manager.....in charge of Ireland.
You also forget the club's roots are Irish. It's a non story anyway. Jesus.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Celtic also wished good luck to the Celtic players in the Scotland squad. Its a non story. Nice to see you get offended about nothing.”
“Celtic also wished good luck to the Celtic players in the Scotland squad. Its a non story. Nice to see you get offended about nothing.”
What Celtic players were in the ROI squad? Lawwell is on the board of the SFA and his team is wishing luck to the direct competitors of Scotland.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Martin O'Neill ex Celtic manager.....in charge of Ireland.
You also forget the club's roots are Irish. It's a non story anyway. Jesus.”
“Martin O'Neill ex Celtic manager.....in charge of Ireland.
You also forget the club's roots are Irish. It's a non story anyway. Jesus.”
What a load of nonsense. Celtic wishing Ireland luck when it would put Scotland out. Not only did Lawwell's duds send us out he's wishing the opposition luck!
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“What Celtic players were in the ROI squad? Lawwell is on the board of the SFA and his team is wishing luck to the direct competitors of Scotland.”
“What Celtic players were in the ROI squad? Lawwell is on the board of the SFA and his team is wishing luck to the direct competitors of Scotland.”
See above. It's a non story, but only a troll like you can get offended about a good luck message.
Your anti Celtic tirade towards Scotland players who play for the club, is actually getting tiresome.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
“But that's the difference. Poland have a genuine world class striker. Ireland has a player like long who while not top quality better than anything Scotland have.
Wales have a bale and a Ramsey.
Scotland do not have one player you would call top top quality.”
Neither do Northern Ireland or Iceland. Shane Long is alright but nothing special. The players could get us through if we had a better manager that knew what he was doing instead of coming out with wee smart arse comments and picking anyone who has been to a Premiership stadium.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“See above. It's a non story, but only a troll like you can get offended about a good luck message.”
“See above. It's a non story, but only a troll like you can get offended about a good luck message.”
Wishing the direct competitors to the country luck. Your support will be happy Scotland went out anyway no doubt. More Irish flags at Celtic park when Celtic play than when Ireland actually played there.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Wishing the direct competitors to the country luck. Your support will be happy Scotland went out anyway no doubt. More Irish flags at Celtic park when Celtic play than when Ireland actually played there.”
“Wishing the direct competitors to the country luck. Your support will be happy Scotland went out anyway no doubt. More Irish flags at Celtic park when Celtic play than when Ireland actually played there.”
Yawn. Go back under your bridge.
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