I see Side Mooth McGhee has got yet another gig. Just another stop on the dud manager's merry go round.
Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)
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Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Mixu pataleinen new Dundee United manager can't say I'm overly excited”
“Mixu pataleinen new Dundee United manager can't say I'm overly excited”
To be fair he did a grand job at Bolton coroner's office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/3454005
Do you think this is good news?
Quote:
“ Gordon Strachan is expected to stay on as Scotland manager, BBC Sport has learned.
The 58-year-old's contract expired following the Scots' unsuccessful qualifying campaign for the Euro 2016 finals in France.
Scotland finished fourth in Group D and missed out on the play-offs, with the Republic of Ireland securing third.
The Scottish Football Association are expected to make a formal announcement before the end of the week. ”
“ Gordon Strachan is expected to stay on as Scotland manager, BBC Sport has learned.
The 58-year-old's contract expired following the Scots' unsuccessful qualifying campaign for the Euro 2016 finals in France.
Scotland finished fourth in Group D and missed out on the play-offs, with the Republic of Ireland securing third.
The Scottish Football Association are expected to make a formal announcement before the end of the week. ”
Do you think this is good news?
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/3454005
Do you think this is good news?”
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/3454005
Do you think this is good news?”
No it's not, because the same multi-tournaments failures will be in their usual places come the start of the next tournament
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/3454005
Do you think this is good news?”
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/3454005
Do you think this is good news?”
I guess the tartan army who travelled to Gibraltar & gave him a standing ovation will love this news.
Embracing failure is the way forward it seems.
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“No it's not, because the same multi-tournaments failures will be in their usual places come the start of the next tournament”
“No it's not, because the same multi-tournaments failures will be in their usual places come the start of the next tournament”
Who do you think should replace him and who should be in the next squad?
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“No it's not, because the same multi-tournaments failures will be in their usual places come the start of the next tournament”
“No it's not, because the same multi-tournaments failures will be in their usual places come the start of the next tournament”
Whoever gets the job will work with the same players. No manager will get results with that squad. Strachan has another chance, I think he's done a decent job.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Whoever gets the job will work with the same players. No manager will get results with that squad. Strachan has another chance, I think he's done a decent job.”
“Whoever gets the job will work with the same players. No manager will get results with that squad. Strachan has another chance, I think he's done a decent job.”
Finishing fourth isnt a decent job though.
If fourth was poor last time it still is.
Thats why i would have went with a foreign manager who would have came in with an open selection policy unlike strachan
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Finishing fourth isnt a decent job though.
If fourth was poor last time it still is.
Thats why i would have went with a foreign manager who would have came in with an open selection policy unlike strachan”
“Finishing fourth isnt a decent job though.
If fourth was poor last time it still is.
Thats why i would have went with a foreign manager who would have came in with an open selection policy unlike strachan”
See this 'open selection policy' stuff you are coming out with, you are saying that Scotland managers are deliberately not picking the best players in each position.
You are saying that the management team is deliberately sabotaging the chances of the team qualifying for tournaments.
The facts are that the Scottish national side currently does not have not depth to it and the U21 side are no great shakes either.
What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.
Originally Posted by timboy:
“See this 'open selection policy' stuff you are coming out with, you are saying that Scotland managers are deliberately not picking the best players in each position.
You are saying that the management team is deliberately sabotaging the chances of the team qualifying for tournaments.
The facts are that the Scottish national side currently does not have not depth to it and the U21 side are no great shakes either.
What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
“See this 'open selection policy' stuff you are coming out with, you are saying that Scotland managers are deliberately not picking the best players in each position.
You are saying that the management team is deliberately sabotaging the chances of the team qualifying for tournaments.
The facts are that the Scottish national side currently does not have not depth to it and the U21 side are no great shakes either.
What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
Exactly. The idea that someone else will come in and suddenly introduce new players that Strachan hasnt is nonsence.
Players from where?
I would love to know about the players that Strachan has ignored which would make Scotland better.
One maybe could argue about 1 or 2 but generally there is a lack of talent accross the board.
Originally Posted by timboy:
“What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
“What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
That won't happen until we get rid of the "win at all costs" mantra that plagues youth football.
Once we get in coaches that understand youth football is about sharpening ability and not just lumping the ball forward to chase an equaliser, we might start to get somewhere.
This will end the same way as the craig brown era the team is 33-35 and will all need replacing at once en mass and players have to be thrown in where they should have been brought through
Strachan has signed a new 2-year deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34540057
Meh. Could we attract someone who would do better with the players we have?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34540057
Meh. Could we attract someone who would do better with the players we have?
Originally Posted by timboy:
“See this 'open selection policy' stuff you are coming out with, you are saying that Scotland managers are deliberately not picking the best players in each position.
You are saying that the management team is deliberately sabotaging the chances of the team qualifying for tournaments.
The facts are that the Scottish national side currently does not have not depth to it and the U21 side are no great shakes either.
What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
“See this 'open selection policy' stuff you are coming out with, you are saying that Scotland managers are deliberately not picking the best players in each position.
You are saying that the management team is deliberately sabotaging the chances of the team qualifying for tournaments.
The facts are that the Scottish national side currently does not have not depth to it and the U21 side are no great shakes either.
What the SFA do need to do is get better coaches involved with the younger age groups and bring through players with better technical ability.”
The continual picking of Fletcher up front would actually be better if it was sabotage as at least he'd know there were better options but chose not to use them. As it is Strachan is so bad at picking players he thinks Steven Fletcher or Darren Fletcher or Charlie Mulgrew are so good they have to play. That is just abysmal management and it is no surprise Scotland finished 4th. He couldn't even spot Georgia was a must win game, probably dreaming up what pithy remark he'd say to the media.
Lars Lagerback can get a team there with a population smaller than Edinburgh, Strachan can't even get a play off spot.
As for better coaches, so we need to find them, train them, then find the youth and coach them to a good enough standard and hope they don't rot away in Celtic reserves or down south. Should be ready for world cup 2050 in Outer Mongolia.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Exactly. The idea that someone else will come in and suddenly introduce new players that Strachan hasnt is nonsence.
Players from where?
I would love to know about the players that Strachan has ignored which would make Scotland better.
One maybe could argue about 1 or 2 but generally there is a lack of talent accross the board.”
“Exactly. The idea that someone else will come in and suddenly introduce new players that Strachan hasnt is nonsence.
Players from where?
I would love to know about the players that Strachan has ignored which would make Scotland better.
One maybe could argue about 1 or 2 but generally there is a lack of talent accross the board.”
Scotland have better players playing at higher levels than teams like Iceland and Northern Ireland and they qualified automatically. Scotland couldn't even get a play off spot. Strachan selects the wrong team and it costs the match, that is his fault and he has to leave. It isn't as if there is great football to watch or any sort of philosophy, he's a dud.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Scotland have better players playing at higher levels than teams like Iceland and Northern Ireland and they qualified automatically. Scotland couldn't even get a play off spot. Strachan selects the wrong team and it costs the match, that is his fault and he has to leave. It isn't as if there is great football to watch or any sort of philosophy, he's a dud.”
“Scotland have better players playing at higher levels than teams like Iceland and Northern Ireland and they qualified automatically. Scotland couldn't even get a play off spot. Strachan selects the wrong team and it costs the match, that is his fault and he has to leave. It isn't as if there is great football to watch or any sort of philosophy, he's a dud.”
Whether you believe that's the case doesn't answer the question.
What players are out there that strachan didn't pick?
If strachan has a closed selection policy I would love to know who he is ignoring.
There isn't any players that stand out. Its just a bunch of muchness.
Quote:
“ As for better coaches, so we need to find them, train them, then find the youth and coach them to a good enough standard and hope they don't rot away in Celtic reserves or down south. Should be ready for world cup 2050 in Outer Mongolia.”
“ As for better coaches, so we need to find them, train them, then find the youth and coach them to a good enough standard and hope they don't rot away in Celtic reserves or down south. Should be ready for world cup 2050 in Outer Mongolia.”
You have to start somewhere. Scotland should of started that process 30 years ago rather than sticking there head in the sand just hoping quality would come through on its own. Others have got better, smaller nations have got better while Scotland have at best stood still but i would say got worse.
I want a Scotland side which goes to tournament after tournament not just one. A side which doesn't just make up numbers and a side where the players can do the basics. I.e. Control the ball with 1 touch and pass accurately to a teammate.
If it takes 15-20 years so be it. Rather that than the continued bang average and mediocrity that we have seen for that 15 years.
Originally Posted by big bro geek:
“Aberdeen going from one extreme to the other this season. Weird”
“Aberdeen going from one extreme to the other this season. Weird”
Bhoys go top tomorrow , nowt new in my book ! .. Franko, & Crofter, will be gutted
Glad I never put a coupon on. the dons would have let me down again for the last 3 games
............... Detroit your mob have cost me a bob or 2 this season
Yeah it was a real nail biting title challenge you had there. Unlucky on going out to the champions of Moldova next season in the CL qualifiers.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“As for better coaches, so we need to find them, train them, then find the youth and coach them to a good enough standard and hope they don't rot away in Celtic reserves or down south. Should be ready for world cup 2050 in Outer Mongolia.”
“As for better coaches, so we need to find them, train them, then find the youth and coach them to a good enough standard and hope they don't rot away in Celtic reserves or down south. Should be ready for world cup 2050 in Outer Mongolia.”
I'm confident we'll qualify for Euro 2020...
...only to be knocked out after 3 group stage defeats at Hampden.
Originally Posted by The_Sleeper:
“Bhoys go top tomorrow , nowt new in my book ! .. Franko, & Crofter, will be gutted
Glad I never put a coupon on. the dons would have let me down again for the last 3 games............... Detroit your mob have cost me a bob or 2 this season ”
“Bhoys go top tomorrow , nowt new in my book ! .. Franko, & Crofter, will be gutted
Glad I never put a coupon on. the dons would have let me down again for the last 3 games
............... Detroit your mob have cost me a bob or 2 this season ”
Same old same old .... celtic top and you talking shite .... nothing much changes,
I hope you flip some lovely sausages tomorrow (today) and make sure you don't overdo your special love sauce on the unsuspecting public ...
However now you mention it the resident dandy don has seemingly taken residence with the church mice over the last month.
Oh to be a dons fan - it's a hard knock ife..
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Whether you believe that's the case doesn't answer the question.
What players are out there that strachan didn't pick?
If strachan has a closed selection policy I would love to know who he is ignoring.
There isn't any players that stand out. Its just a bunch of muchness.
You have to start somewhere. Scotland should of started that process 30 years ago rather than sticking there head in the sand just hoping quality would come through on its own. Others have got better, smaller nations have got better while Scotland have at best stood still but i would say got worse.
I want a Scotland side which goes to tournament after tournament not just one. A side which doesn't just make up numbers and a side where the players can do the basics. I.e. Control the ball with 1 touch and pass accurately to a teammate.
If it takes 15-20 years so be it. Rather that than the continued bang average and mediocrity that we have seen for that 15 years.”
“Whether you believe that's the case doesn't answer the question.
What players are out there that strachan didn't pick?
If strachan has a closed selection policy I would love to know who he is ignoring.
There isn't any players that stand out. Its just a bunch of muchness.
You have to start somewhere. Scotland should of started that process 30 years ago rather than sticking there head in the sand just hoping quality would come through on its own. Others have got better, smaller nations have got better while Scotland have at best stood still but i would say got worse.
I want a Scotland side which goes to tournament after tournament not just one. A side which doesn't just make up numbers and a side where the players can do the basics. I.e. Control the ball with 1 touch and pass accurately to a teammate.
If it takes 15-20 years so be it. Rather that than the continued bang average and mediocrity that we have seen for that 15 years.”
I think it is a given that Strachan won't see the end of the World Cup qualifying campaign - let's face it we haven't made any progress under Strachan (despite what we have heard) and his team selection for the Gibraltar game indicated that he isn't interested in the bigger picture.
Next campaign is simply going to be same again - how many bites at the cherry are some of these players going to get??
A clean slate is needed - we can't use the "who else is better" excuse as justification for keeping something that isn't going well and looks in all honesty as if it is doomed to failure.
Originally Posted by crofter:
“I think it is a given that Strachan won't see the end of the World Cup qualifying campaign - let's face it we haven't made any progress under Strachan (despite what we have heard) and his team selection for the Gibraltar game indicated that he isn't interested in the bigger picture.
Next campaign is simply going to be same again - how many bites at the cherry are some of these players going to get??
A clean slate is needed - we can't use the "who else is better" excuse as justification for keeping something that isn't going well and looks in all honesty as if it is doomed to failure.”
“I think it is a given that Strachan won't see the end of the World Cup qualifying campaign - let's face it we haven't made any progress under Strachan (despite what we have heard) and his team selection for the Gibraltar game indicated that he isn't interested in the bigger picture.
Next campaign is simply going to be same again - how many bites at the cherry are some of these players going to get??
A clean slate is needed - we can't use the "who else is better" excuse as justification for keeping something that isn't going well and looks in all honesty as if it is doomed to failure.”
We can't saying we keep on failing with the same group of players and do nothing.
At least start some friendlies with younger players, we won't though because it's the precious ranking points
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