That's absolute tosh and your all know it.

I can accept it must have been difficult to see the support you support die but that is what happened.

When the club became incorporated it became a company. That is undeniable yet you attempt to deny it.

"The support you support die". Another masterclass on business here from the Harvard professor. What exactly is it you can't understand about the situation? It only seems to be Celtic fans and diddy fans in Scotland that are having trouble with it.

I know it must be difficult and painful that UEFA, FIFA, Neil Doncaster, Lord Nimmo Smith and the ASA etc have all said you're wrong, but that is tough. What you are saying is like claiming Celtic are still in Europe despite UEFA etc saying you aren't and telling you why yet you still insist you're in the competition. It's complete denial of reality. The sort of denial that still thinks Deila is a good manager.

Dundee v Celtic rearranged for Tuesday 9th February, 7.45pm, still live on BT.

Dundee then play St Johnstone on the Friday, but Tuesday-Friday is a longer gap than Wednesday-Saturday so not a problem IMO.

Halliday card reduced to yellow

And rightly so. Could hardly have stood after Fyvie's 2 game ban for play acting.

heres as stv report talking about phoenix clubs from nov 2011, which outlines exactly what happened to rangers, you can add the date 1905 onto that as that is when hearts liquidated their oldco and created a newco to run the club, which remained exactly the same club it had always been. there were plently of other articles out there which outlined this before the cva was rejected , this whole idea of it being invented after the cva was rejected is a myth created by celtic fans and diddies as it allows to to disregard all the evidence that we ae te same club as some sort of conspiracy theory dreamed up by the powers that be in scottish football

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...dministration/

if you really want to go over this again timboy, feel free to present your evidence, heres all the footballing associations saying we are the same club

1. The SPFL - SPFL website is completely clear on the status of Rangers with Rangers full trophy history listed in full from the first league championship in 1891 to the league 1 title in 2013 -2014.

SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster stated - “In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission ….."The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same."

2. sfl - The SFL also stated that rangers were the same club, also having the full history and league honours included on their home page. The SFL chief executive issued a statement congratulating rangers on their 140th anniversary.

3. sfa -
Stewart Regan, Chief Executive of the Scottish FA also makes clear that the club is the same one with new owners. “There were a number of complex and challenging issues involved but, primarily, the Scottish FA had to be satisfied that the new owners of Rangers would operate in the best interests of the club, its fans and Scottish football in general.”
The SFA also confirmed to the European clubs association that officially Rangers are the same club. “Michele Centenaro of the ECA contacted the SFA and asked for an appraisal of the Rangers situation and whether they could be deemed the same Rangers as before or a new company unworthy of acknowledgment from the ECA. The SFA’s response was unambiguous. Different corporate entity but same Rangers, same history, same honours accrued over 140 years.”

4. spl - The SPL was also 100% clear that rangers are the same club with SPL chairman Neil Doncaster stating “it is an existing club, even if it is a new company”. 1
Neil Doncaster also pointed out that “clubs continue over a course over many, many years. The fact that those clubs happen to exist within several different corporate structures over the period of their life frankly doesn’t seem to concern people south of the border.”2 This simply points out that rangers situation is not unique, the club continues and similar cases in England have had none of the uproar the rangers situation has had.

5. sfa, sfl and spl - “joint statement on behalf of The Scottish FA, The Scottish Premier League, The Scottish Football League and Sevco Scotland Ltd. -“We are pleased to confirm that agreement has been reached on all outstanding points relating to the transfer of the Scottish FA membership between Rangers FC (In Administration), and Sevco Scotland Ltd, who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club.”

6. the eca - “Rangers are permitted to hold associate membership, which holds no voting rights, as they are one of the founder members of the ECA. The organisation considers the club’s history to be continuous regardless of the change of company.”

7. uefa

Here’s what they said to the ASA confirming that even though there is a new company it remains the same club. ““We consulted with UEFA, which explained that its rules allowed for the recognition of the ‘sporting continuity’ of a club’s match record, even if that club’s corporate structure had changed,”

UEFA’s stance on the continuation of clubs can be further examined by looking at the case of Fiorentina. Fiorentina is considered the same club with the same history and honours by UEFA despite going completely bust, starting a completely new club and buying back the Fiorentina name, shirt design and badge years later. Rangers situation was nowhere near as severe as Fiorentina’s as the club was sold from oldco to newco with no gap in history and all emblems, symbols, history and trophies intact so it’s clear that UEFA would and do consider rangers to be the same club it has always been.

Rangers currently sit at number 264 on the UEFA club rankings 4 and have been accumulating points for this season and the last 4 seasons which shows continuation from the oldco to the newco indicating that they consider us the same club. There was an argument from supporters of the new club argument that Unirea Urziceni remained on the UEFA rankings despite being dissolved in 2011 with no buyer for the club. This meant that rangers status on this list was open to debate as UEFA might consider rangers a new club and eventually remove them from the list when they get round to updating it. However Unirea have since been removed from the UEFA rankings and rangers remain, putting an end to that particular line of argument.

The UEFA.com ranger’s page lists our history in full 5 and includes our cup results from last season 6 indicating once again continuation and yet more evidence that UEFA agree that rangers are the same club. The league results have not been updated since 2012 but that is down to the fact that UEFA only update results for the top league in each country as you can see by looking at Hib's results which have not been updated since 2013 7, the season they were relegated from the SPL.

heres all the buisiness organisations who have commented saying we are the same club

1. Bdo
• 1. Bdo state club and company are seperate and state football continues at ibrox
• "It's important to understand that the appointment of liquidators will not mean the end of football at Ibrox - only the end of the company that ran the club,"
• http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18426943
• 2. Bdo state that the future of the existing club is secure after the transfer to a new company
• "The joint administrators intend to complete a transfer of the business and assets to a new company in the coming days, putting the future of the club on more secure footing.”
• http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...mains-positive

2. Duff and phelps
• Have Stated rangers is the same club numerous times and that club and company are seperate
• “The Club will continue to operate as it has always done but within a new company structure.”
• “While the Club will continue to face difficulties in the short term, it will survive and continue to play at Ibrox."
• Source - http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105851-i...s-cva-failure/
• “However, we should make it clear that Rangers Football Club will continue within a new company structure and the Club survives and will continue playing football at Ibrox.”
• http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/106239-s...ers-creditors/
3. Hmrc
• 1. Hmrc spokesman states that the club is being sold from the old company to the new company and football will continue at ibrox
• “the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the club. This sale can take place either through a CVA or a liquidation.”
• “Liquidation will enable a sale of the football assets to be made to a new company, thereby ensuring that football will continue at Ibrox. It also means that the new company will be free from claims or litigation in a way which would not be achievable with a CVA. Rangers can make a fresh start."
• Source - http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105870-r...-for-meltdown/

4. The stock market
• States club and company are seperate and the history and trophies remain
• Rangers International Football Club plc following admission will own and operate The Rangers Football Club Limited. Rangers Football Club, based in Scotland, has become one of the world's most successful clubs, having won 54 League titles, 33 Scottish Cups, 27 League Cups and the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1972. Playing at the 50,987 seater Ibrox Stadium, Scotland, and benefitting from the world class 37 acre Murray Park training facility, the club has been a dominant force in Scottish football for decades.
• Source - http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...l?issueId=8816

heres two scottish legal experts saying we are the same club


1. The scottish courts
• High Court Judge Lord Glennie - "This is a petition for judicial review by the Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration. That company presently operates Rangers Football Club (to whom I shall refer as "Rangers").
• This shows the club and company are seperate and another company can take over operating the club
• Source - http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinion...CSOH%2095.html
• Lord Nimmo Smith i - http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ie-on-14-june/
Lord Nimmo Smith refers to newco and oldco throughout his lengthy report on the first stage of the hearing and also states that: "Newco is not and never has been a member of the SPL."
But he adds: "In legal terms, it (a club) appears to us to be no different from any other undertaking which is capable of being carried on, bought and sold."
• Lord Nimmo Smith ii – SPL Dual Contract Tribunal 28th February 2013
It will be recalled that in Article 2 "Club" is defined in terms of "the undertaking of an association football club", and in Rule I1 it is defined in terms of an association football club which is, for the time being, eligible to participate in the League, and includes the owner and operator of such Club. Taking these definitions together, the SPL and its members have provided, by contract, that a Club is an undertaking which is capable of being owned and operated. While it no doubt depends on individual circumstances what exactly is comprised in the undertaking of any particular Club, it would at the least comprise its name, the contracts with its players, its manager and other staff, and its ground, even though these may change from time to time. In common speech a Club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated, and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator. In legal terms, it appears to us to be no different from any other undertaking which is capable of being carried on, bought and sold. This is not to say that a Club has legal personality, separate from and additional to the legal personality of its owner and operator. We are satisfied that it does not, and Mr McKenzie did not seek to argue otherwise.
• Lord Nimmo Smith iii - “It is the club, not the owner, who plays in the league,” he said. “The rules clearly contemplate sanctions upon a club, in distinction to upon the owner or operator. That power must con
• Page 2 “there is no allegation that THE CURRENT OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE CLUB, TheRangersFootball Club Ltd. (Newco)....”

• Page 4 “On the 14thof June 2012 a newly incorporated company, Sevco Scotland Ltd., purchased substantially all the business and assets of Oldco, INCLUDING RANGERS FC”
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• Page 4 “*Newco+ BECAME THE OPERATOR OF RANGERS FC within the Third Division of The Scottish Football League”
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• Page 5 “Newco as the current owners and operators of RANGERS FC, although not alleged..........”
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• Page 6 “Rangers FC was liable to sanctions as provided by the Rules in event of a breach WHILE
• (RA
• NGERS FC) WAS OWNED AND OPERATED BY OLDCO”
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• Page 6 “...capable of affecting Rangers FC AS A CONTINUING ENTITY now owned and operated byNewco”
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• Page 32 “Oldco as a company, as distinct from the football management or players of Rangers FC asa club...”
• Page
• 32 “Rangers FC is of course OWNED AND OPERATED BY NEWCO”
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• Page 33 “...does not affect Rangers FC as a club UNDER ITS NEW OWNERSHIP”

Proof of post-liquidation survival precedents:
1. Leeds were liquidated and survived and are still the same club with the same honours
• Whether or not a CVA was agreed is spectacularly irrelevant. The original 1920 company 'The Leeds United Association Football Club' was put into liquidation in 2008, Leeds United Football Club Today are run by 'Leeds United Football Club Ltd' a company incorporated in 2007.
Leeds United Football Club are run by a new company. They are a newco - exactly the same as Rangers.
If you don't believe me check the companies house website. After you've done that find me a single person in English football who seriously claims that they are a new club.
• More proof cva failed - http://www.football-league.co.uk/sta...~126027,00.pdf
2. Luton were liquidated and survived and are still the same club with the same honours
• “In April 2008the CVA proposals were rejected by creditors, the largest of which was Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC).”
• Proof - http://www.theifo.co.uk/adjudication...llettfinal.pdf
• Proof of liquidation - http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04977080
3. This Hibs example alone proves that the SFA have set a precedent in clubs reforming and keeping their history intact.
• Hibs still count a scottish cup win from 1887 despite ceasing operating during 1891 -93 and reforming the club, Despite this interruption, the club today views the period since 1875 as one continued history and therefore counts the honours won between 1875 and 1891
• Proof -http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/TimelineDetail/0,,10290~1750639,00.html
Clubs that didnt survive liquidation
• 1.Ardrie – Situation completely different.
• New club didn’t get admitted to SFL. Clydebank was purchased, moved to Airdrie, renamed Airdrie United.
• 2. Gretna – situation completely different
• Gretna 2008? This is an entirely new club that just uses the Gretna name, they didn’t even lay claim to Gretna’s history
• 3. Third lanark – situation completely different
• Started FORTY years after the demise of the original

What was it Shakespeare wrote about protesting too much?

" if you dont like tons of evidence being put in front of you proving you were talking pish about rangers being a new club, ignore it and claim by showing evidence you are protesting too much" was what he said, the bard had a way with words

robo 2. Where is the like button?

What happened to Darlington? Rushden and Diamonds?

Massive shock unfolding in the Scottish Cup.

Dundee Utd are beating Airdrie.

what about them? if you are claiming you have some new evidence its up to you to present your case. its not up to me to guess what you are on about, over to you? remember and tell the truth now

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Aberdeen title challenge hitting the skids? McInnes losing the plot yesterday and now Danny Ward being recalled by Liverpool

Working for me. Flares getting chucked and chanting. Can someone explain the " get Brits out now" chants? I genuinely don't understand it.

Aberdeen looked absolutely woeful yesterday. Hearts played them off the pitch. Can only see them Falling further behind Celtic rather than catching

Uneducated British born people who think they are Irish because they drank a pint of Guinness once. Pond life being pond life really.

While some believe politics should stay out of football - it was a shame to see political advertising at the game yesterday.

Edinburgh derby in the Scottish Cup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35282296

Also Rangers v Kilmarnock. A tough tie for the Gers. Should be interesting.

Winner of East Kilbride and Lothian get home game against Celtic.
Big money game for the non league winner.
Though can't see either playing at home.
Looks like a neutral ground.

East Kilbride would probably play at New Douglas Park.

Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale is less simple. Tynecastle is the nearest ground that's up to standard, but there's Scotland v England at Murrayfield on the Saturday which means Hearts v Hibs is likely to be on the Sunday. In other words, both days ruled out. So Livingston could be a contender.