Celtic signing 35 year olds.
Perhaps now the stupid Dad's Army comments will stop.
Perhaps now the stupid Dad's Army comments will stop.
Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)
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Two players at CP, nine at Rangers, with two more to come.
So Celtic are going to win the SPL and domestic cups and compete in Europe with almost the same team that flopped miserably in Europe, won one of three domestic trophies, and got knocked out of the cups by Rangers and Ross County. And the two new boys are 19 and 35, young untested lad and an aging defender.
Whereas Rangers and other SPL teams are buying a cross-age and cross-experience range of players. Rangers new signings have an average age of 27. Five of Rangers nine new players are under 25 (Crooks, Windass, Rossiter, Dodoo and Hodson).
So Celtic are going to win the SPL and domestic cups and compete in Europe with almost the same team that flopped miserably in Europe, won one of three domestic trophies, and got knocked out of the cups by Rangers and Ross County. And the two new boys are 19 and 35, young untested lad and an aging defender.
Whereas Rangers and other SPL teams are buying a cross-age and cross-experience range of players. Rangers new signings have an average age of 27. Five of Rangers nine new players are under 25 (Crooks, Windass, Rossiter, Dodoo and Hodson).
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“The Gibraltar result means hew haw. We still qualified so it doesn't matter.
Come on here when Rangers get beat in Europe next season.
Look after yourselves? Last time in Europe you lost to Malmo.”
“The Gibraltar result means hew haw. We still qualified so it doesn't matter.
Come on here when Rangers get beat in Europe next season.
Look after yourselves? Last time in Europe you lost to Malmo.”
Last time in Europe, You LOST to Malmo.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Don't get carried away because a small team in a crap euros tournament got through. France thrashed them 5 going on 10, something England would have done if they had a decent manager. Any good Icelandic player leaves that frozen rock and moves abroad, and they still don't have any 'world class' players, just players that sit deep and break on the counter.
Scotland beat Iceland home and away last time they played. All 3 teams that qualified from Scotland's group also got out of their group at the euros so Scotland were in a tough group. Get in a decent manager and Scotland will qualify, don't and they won't.”
“Don't get carried away because a small team in a crap euros tournament got through. France thrashed them 5 going on 10, something England would have done if they had a decent manager. Any good Icelandic player leaves that frozen rock and moves abroad, and they still don't have any 'world class' players, just players that sit deep and break on the counter.
Scotland beat Iceland home and away last time they played. All 3 teams that qualified from Scotland's group also got out of their group at the euros so Scotland were in a tough group. Get in a decent manager and Scotland will qualify, don't and they won't.”
Sorry,Frankie, I have to agree with the Bhoys here.
The wee nation excuse is one at least 30 years out of date. Scotland at club and int level in results and standards is being shown up BOTH by similar sized nations and now countries smaller, far smaller, than us.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Don't get carried away because a small team in a crap euros tournament got through. France thrashed them 5 going on 10, something England would have done if they had a decent manager. Any good Icelandic player leaves that frozen rock and moves abroad, and they still don't have any 'world class' players, just players that sit deep and break on the counter.
Scotland beat Iceland home and away last time they played. All 3 teams that qualified from Scotland's group also got out of their group at the euros so Scotland were in a tough group. Get in a decent manager and Scotland will qualify, don't and they won't.”
“Don't get carried away because a small team in a crap euros tournament got through. France thrashed them 5 going on 10, something England would have done if they had a decent manager. Any good Icelandic player leaves that frozen rock and moves abroad, and they still don't have any 'world class' players, just players that sit deep and break on the counter.
Scotland beat Iceland home and away last time they played. All 3 teams that qualified from Scotland's group also got out of their group at the euros so Scotland were in a tough group. Get in a decent manager and Scotland will qualify, don't and they won't.”
Utter drivel. That Iceland game exposed just how ordinary and vastly overrated/hyped the EPL players are. Supposedly top class players were exposed as very average and workmanlike.
This is scapegoating the manager again, the players are simply not good enough. Like every WC and EC, the English media overhypes the players because they come from the 'best league in the world'.
Which is another myth.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Rangers will get humped next season in Europe.
Come back on here when Rangers get in Champions League or Europa League group stages. They won't.
Your gloating will come back to haunt you.”
“Rangers will get humped next season in Europe.
Come back on here when Rangers get in Champions League or Europa League group stages. They won't.
Your gloating will come back to haunt you.”
No, they wont. The manager is building and will build a team playing excellent football which imo next season will be able to at least compete in the group stages of the EL, possibly the CL. We have a strong, solid and skilful team this season, with flair from the likes of Kranjcar and McKay and Rangers irrespective of this season would strengthen next year.
Yes, we will. If we get into either group stage, I will be reposting this.
And will you come back and admit humble pie if we do?.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“Cooper, McStay, Durrant? Mojo?.”
“Cooper, McStay, Durrant? Mojo?.”
Good players but not world class. Dalglish was the last genuine player who was world class for Scotland.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“No, they wont. The manager is building and will build a team playing excellent football which imo next season will be able to at least compete in the group stages of the EL, possibly the CL. We have a strong, solid and skilful team this season, with flair from the likes of Kranjcar and McKay and Rangers irrespective of this season would strengthen next year.
Yes, we will. If we get into either group stage, I will be reposting this.
And will you come back and admit humble pie if we do?.”
“No, they wont. The manager is building and will build a team playing excellent football which imo next season will be able to at least compete in the group stages of the EL, possibly the CL. We have a strong, solid and skilful team this season, with flair from the likes of Kranjcar and McKay and Rangers irrespective of this season would strengthen next year.
Yes, we will. If we get into either group stage, I will be reposting this.
And will you come back and admit humble pie if we do?.”
Rangers will have the same problem as Celtic as the qualifiers come too early. You may also play against teams on plastic pitches which will be difficult to play good football on it. Playing in Europe is a huge step up from Championship level.
Your defence is still dodgy. Play that defence in Europe and you will concede goals.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“Last time in Europe, You LOST to Malmo.”
“Last time in Europe, You LOST to Malmo.”
Our last game in Europe, we actually won 3-0 against Gibraltar, do keep up......
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Our last game in Europe, we actually won 3-0 against Gibraltar, do keep up......”
“Our last game in Europe, we actually won 3-0 against Gibraltar, do keep up......”
He also thinks that if Toure comes in he'll be our second signing for the new season.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“Two players at CP, nine at Rangers, with two more to come.
So Celtic are going to win the SPL and domestic cups and compete in Europe with almost the same team that flopped miserably in Europe, won one of three domestic trophies, and got knocked out of the cups by Rangers and Ross County. And the two new boys are 19 and 35, young untested lad and an aging defender.
Whereas Rangers and other SPL teams are buying a cross-age and cross-experience range of players. Rangers new signings have an average age of 27. Five of Rangers nine new players are under 25 (Crooks, Windass, Rossiter, Dodoo and Hodson).”
“Two players at CP, nine at Rangers, with two more to come.
So Celtic are going to win the SPL and domestic cups and compete in Europe with almost the same team that flopped miserably in Europe, won one of three domestic trophies, and got knocked out of the cups by Rangers and Ross County. And the two new boys are 19 and 35, young untested lad and an aging defender.
Whereas Rangers and other SPL teams are buying a cross-age and cross-experience range of players. Rangers new signings have an average age of 27. Five of Rangers nine new players are under 25 (Crooks, Windass, Rossiter, Dodoo and Hodson).”
Difference is that Rangers had to get 9 players in to challenge Celtic. Celtic's squad is still good enough to win SPFL. With a few recruits in already, Celtic have enough to win domestically. In Europe it's a different task, as our squad isn't good enough to get in Champions League.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Good players but not world class. Dalglish was the last genuine player who was world class for Scotland.”
“Good players but not world class. Dalglish was the last genuine player who was world class for Scotland.”
Yes, they were. Cooper was world class, a genius. McStay at his peak was. Durrant pre-injury was an amazing player at 18/19. And one could make a claim for Mojo, esp around the late 80s.
Originally Posted by timboy:
“He also thinks that if Toure comes in he'll be our second signing for the new season.”
“He also thinks that if Toure comes in he'll be our second signing for the new season.”
So who else?. Who have I missed?.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“Yes, they were. Cooper was world class, a genius. McStay at his peak was. Durrant pre-injury was an amazing player at 18/19. And one could make a claim for Mojo, esp around the late 80s.”
“Yes, they were. Cooper was world class, a genius. McStay at his peak was. Durrant pre-injury was an amazing player at 18/19. And one could make a claim for Mojo, esp around the late 80s.”
Nonsense. Cooper was not world class. If he was he wouldn't have gone to Motherwell. He was a good player but didn't turn it on enough for Rangers.,McStay was very good but even I would admit he wasn't quite world class.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“So who else?. Who have I missed?.”
“So who else?. Who have I missed?.”
Crossan from Dunferlmine and Ajer.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Good players but not world class. Dalglish was the last genuine player who was world class for Scotland.”
“Good players but not world class. Dalglish was the last genuine player who was world class for Scotland.”
Souness was younger than Kenny, Hansen even younger. So Souness definitely was the last world class player if we agree with your assertion. Not Dalglish.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Rangers will have the same problem as Celtic as the qualifiers come too early. You may also play against teams on plastic pitches which will be difficult to play good football on it. Playing in Europe is a huge step up from Championship level.
Your defence is still dodgy. Play that defence in Europe and you will concede goals.”
“Rangers will have the same problem as Celtic as the qualifiers come too early. You may also play against teams on plastic pitches which will be difficult to play good football on it. Playing in Europe is a huge step up from Championship level.
Your defence is still dodgy. Play that defence in Europe and you will concede goals.”
Well, Celtic would know all about that. Legia, Maribor, Malmo, well any team last season. Oh and the Imps. And you have just signed a 35 yr old to your backline.
Perhaps Celtic fans should worry a little bit more about their own defence. After all, it was taken apart last year by 36 yr olds, small Irish wingers and journeymen from Ross County domestically. Humiliated in Europe, and has just conceded a goal to a part time bobby.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Nonsense. Cooper was not world class. If he was he wouldn't have gone to Motherwell. He was a good player but didn't turn it on enough for Rangers.,McStay was very good but even I would admit he wasn't quite world class.”
“Nonsense. Cooper was not world class. If he was he wouldn't have gone to Motherwell. He was a good player but didn't turn it on enough for Rangers.,McStay was very good but even I would admit he wasn't quite world class.”
I assume you were actually born in 1987, so I will excuse your nonsense about Cooper. The man was a genius. The last one Scottish football has created. You clearly weren't old enough to see him in his prime. And would have walked into any side. As for his Well move, the man was 33 when he moved. To suggest that move means he wasn't world class is utter nonsense. The man is in Gullit's XI of all time. The likes of Law, Souness, Ferguson and Celts like McGrain, McStay and McNeill regard him as world class.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Crossan from Dunferlmine and Ajer.”
“Crossan from Dunferlmine and Ajer.”
Fair enough, one a squad player I presume. Do remember a bit of overhype about Ajar when he signed. Talented, but still to prove.
I am surprised you didn't have at least six coming in. You are far too top heavy, you need to sell/let a few go. IMO Celtic haven't strengthened enough for this season. Too much starry eyed hype about Brenda. The man can only work with what hes got.
Originally Posted by ayrshireman1:
“I assume you were actually born in 1987, so I will excuse your nonsense about Cooper. The man was a genius. The last one Scottish football has created. You clearly weren't old enough to see him in his prime. And would have walked into any side. As for his Well move, the man was 33 when he moved. To suggest that move means he wasn't world class is utter nonsense. The man is in Gullit's XI of all time. The likes of Law, Souness, Ferguson and Celts like McGrain, McStay and McNeill regard him as world class.”
“I assume you were actually born in 1987, so I will excuse your nonsense about Cooper. The man was a genius. The last one Scottish football has created. You clearly weren't old enough to see him in his prime. And would have walked into any side. As for his Well move, the man was 33 when he moved. To suggest that move means he wasn't world class is utter nonsense. The man is in Gullit's XI of all time. The likes of Law, Souness, Ferguson and Celts like McGrain, McStay and McNeill regard him as world class.”
I was born in 1973, so your wrong again....
Ask me, if Cooper was world class, how come Motherwell signed him? Surely a world class club would sign him? No world class team wanted him at his peak did they? It's very easy to say a player is world class when they play in Scotland.
Again, he wasn't world class in my view. Very good player, but world class? No.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Nonsense. Cooper was not world class. If he was he wouldn't have gone to Motherwell. He was a good player but didn't turn it on enough for Rangers.,McStay was very good but even I would admit he wasn't quite world class.”
“Nonsense. Cooper was not world class. If he was he wouldn't have gone to Motherwell. He was a good player but didn't turn it on enough for Rangers.,McStay was very good but even I would admit he wasn't quite world class.”
IMO McStay was, from about 1984 to about 1990. And Durrant was from 1986-88 and his injury. I have never seen such a talented Scottish/British player at that age in my 35 yrs or so of following the game.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Difference is that Rangers had to get 9 players in to challenge Celtic. Celtic's squad is still good enough to win SPFL. With a few recruits in already, Celtic have enough to win domestically. In Europe it's a different task, as our squad isn't good enough to get in Champions League.”
“Difference is that Rangers had to get 9 players in to challenge Celtic. Celtic's squad is still good enough to win SPFL. With a few recruits in already, Celtic have enough to win domestically. In Europe it's a different task, as our squad isn't good enough to get in Champions League.”
Rangers didn't need 9 to challenge the team the 2015-16 team beat at Hampden, we needed at least half a dozen to a---replace some deadwood and b--to compete in a higher league. There is more to the SPL than the Bhoys.
IMO your team/squad wasn't particularly impressive last year and exposed badly at times by teams like Aberdeen and ourselves. Not to mention Ross County. 2-0 vs East Kilbride, not exactly stellar stuff. TBH, you weren't massively superior to Hearts or the Dons, but stronger overall. And a bigger squad. If you think that team is going to win this year against a much stronger Rangers and Aberdeen, Hearts as well, you are in for a shock. Celtic will need to play a lot better than last year.
With us in the Champ, and Aberdeen falling away, you still managed to win just one of the three available trophies (in fact no treble since the Rangers troubles of 2012, Rangers still the last to win one).
'enough' may not be good enough.
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