Oh ffs. He was 33, nearly 34, and Souness still wanted him to stay at the top level for Rangers, inc Europe. It was Coop's choice to go, as he hated being just a sub thanks to the younger Mark Walters weekly brilliance. Sorry, but this argument is just a nonsense. At 33/34, clubs aren't going to take even the best players. And look what he did for them: a brilliant Indian summer in his career, with a Scotland call up. Had he not been injured vs Egypt, he was due to go to the WC.

How even the biggest Rangers-hater can say Cooper wasn't world class is just beyond me. If he was Celtic (as Dalglish, McStay and other greats were), I would still say he was world class and a genius. Like Jimmy Johnstone. Even your average Celtic admitted the man was a genius. Except you apparently.

'The most natural talent in British football since Best'----Souness 1994

All Scottish fans were privileged to watch such a player. No matter what team you supported.

I meant last season, ffs.

Big difference between being very good and world class. Ronaldo, Messi are world class. It's like saying Griffiths is world class because he can score 40 goals in SPFL.

Copper was not world class. Very good player.

Explain what defines world class?

What defines is subjective. Some will say simply natural genius/gifts, others will hold you must have a certain level of success. Others a mixture of both. Best never went to a WC or EC, to me that means nothing, the man was a genius x10, others may disagree.

We clearly aren't going to agree on this, I suggest we let it be. I notice you haven't disagreed with me though that Souness was the last world class player not Dalglish.......

It still wouldn't be Malmo, our last Euro game last season was against Fenerbahce. So your wrong again.

If you ask Souness himself, he would say Dalglish.

Can you read, bhoy?.

I replied to a post of yours about Malmo beating Rangers in 2011. I was sarcastically reminding you of a recent Malmo defeat. At no point have I said Celtic vs Malmo was your last game. I know it wasn't. I watched all your games, great fun they were too.

Fenerbache, that the one where you actually won a point?.

Probably. But then we aren't asking him. Its our opinions.

AKA The Human Thumb.

You played a Lowland League team last night and needed an injury time goal to score 1 more than we did yet you think that next season you could compete in the group stages of the Champions League.

Rangers were so far ahead vs Annan and last night though it was in either case a complete non contest, you frankly struggled to get the two that day. Your own fans booed at the end. Annan on Tuesday could easily have been 6-0 if not for their young keeper. Last night, a bit flatter but still a very easy 3-0, and could have been 5 or 6.

No comparison in the performances: Celtic were utterly lacklustre that day vs EK.

This is barely the start of this season. Maybe Rangers will be disappointing this season. But I firmly believe we are slowly building and will have a team (with new blood) next year capable of performing well in at least the group stages of Europe, EL at the least.

For that matter, I think Rodgers will also build a Celtic team next year capable of the same. This campaign, I think you will struggle.

70% possession and 22 shots on goal Celtic had that day.

Last night The Rangers had 62% possession and 17 shots on goal.


If Celtic were lacklustre with more possession and more shots on goal then what does that say about your performance last night?

You and I both saw the EK game: Celtic huffed and puffed through it and the football wasn't pretty to watch. And I DID say that last night Rangers weren't as flying as vs Annan, but if you saw the game, you know we played some nice stuff. Second half a bit flatter. No way any Bhoy can say they enjoyed that EK performance. By your standards, it was pretty poor stuff.

We played much better stuff last night than Celtic did vs EK, and our opponents have been until this season an SPFL club, whereas EK are a Lowland League side.

I always get the (biased?lol) impression that Gers fans here are more open to commend Celtic than the opposite. Or maybe just me lol. I am happy to commend Celtic where I feel they deserve it. I love the rivalry, but I don't look for reasons to niggle pointlessly at Celtic. I wont criticise for the hell of it. But I will criticise.....

Apart from FrankieFixer who never commends Celtic on anything.

Celtic played perfectly fine that day, the stats show that. We just didn't convert our chances.

As we are both well aware the media smelled blood in regards to Ronny then so everything to do with that game was blown out of proportion.

As for the "until last season" part it makes not a jot of difference. East Stirling were playing guys last night who played for Camelon Juniors last season.

And put things this way, last season The Rangers conceded more goals in the Championship than Celtic did in the Premiership despite playing 2 games fewer, you also scored fewer goals and had a worse goal difference yet the press go on about Warburton being some sort of genius. After you beat us in the cup you didn't win a game for the rest of the season. That's why you've needed to bring in so many players.


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Celtic get beat by Leicester on penalties after a 1-1 draw in a fairly decent game. Once the subs really started to be made around the 60 minute mark it was the death of the game. A couple cracking goals.

Men, I thought you were very flat, but we are arguing over a very forgettable game tbh.

Very true. But then Ronnie had played himself into that. Celtic, with the Euro debacles and loss to Aberdeen, were a bit ropey at the time. The press loves an OF crisis.

I think 'Warbs' has done a excellent job, but I am not part of the In Warbs We Trust gang. He has his faults or did have last year. To be fair, remember where Rangers had been since 2012 and the team he inherited in 2015, the worst in our history. To comfortably win a league with Hibs, Falkirk, St Mirren etc in it, and to beat Celtic and deserve to do so, and be a few moments away from a second cup and Europe, overall was one hell of an achievement. And the quality and style of football compared to the dire rubbish served up under McCoist, McDowall. McCall at least got us playing some decent stuff.

The players last year were not not good enough, they simply went off the boil. We needed to bring in new and better players anyway, the bad run imo has nothing to with that. If we'd won all our games and won the SC, they were still coming in and some still going out. Any problem exposed from mid April, believe you me, was apparent through the season. I said Wilson/Kiernan were OK stopgaps and we'd need better CH's in the SPL this time last year.

You had 3 shots on target and scored with 2 of them. One a screamer and one pure luck after a deflection. We had 33 shots in that match. There is a lot of the rose tinted glasses going on here. In the semi final you had the ball but we had almost 4x as many shots as you did.


Really?

When you've the 2nd highest wage bill in the country surely to win a league against teams paying a fraction of the wages is the very minimum that you'd expect?

Second Cup. Mon now, you really want to crow about the Petrofac?

There isn't one Iceland player that would get in the England team. The euros was an abysmal tournament as the top players looked absolutely knackered and the 3 teams going through in a 4 team group encouraged negative and defensive hit on the break football which Iceland did. Their most dangerous attacks came from long throw ins or Joe Hart chucking the ball in the goal.

England with a good manager are a different proposition.

It was 3 going on 10. Celtic played awful against EK and had to rely on a handball finish if I remember correctly and that big dud Kazim-Richards scrambled one home.

Your 'shots' were Johansen shooting from miles out and going miles over or wide. You barely strung 3 passes together, just a lump up to Griffiths looking for a knock down or mistake. It was typical punt and rush football that keeps us in the dark ages. Mo Jo said it was like watching Barcelona when Rangers were playing, that's how you play football, not your Celtic way.

Sounds like Brenda logic there. Get pumped and say 'no, no we played well'.

We played superbly and were the far better team that day. Frankly, we played you off the park at times.

Given the shambles we were the season before, nothing was a given last season. Many thought Warburton would be a flop and Rangers fail to get promotion again. So the quality of play and results is one to commend.

And a trophy is a trophy. The OF should always strive to win all it plays for, that's what major clubs do.

Why is it so hard to give us any credit?. Even when we bring quality players in like Barton and Kranjcar, players that will enhance the league, all we get is silly Dads Army comments. I have no problem commending Celtic if I feel they deserve it.

Maybe you lot DO hate us more than you love your own club.

There isn't one England player who would get in many other teams. Their defence is poor, Cahill is overrated, Smalling is a donkey. Rooney is finished, Alli and Dier are again massively overhyped (the latter I just don't get the fuss about), Hart is overrated. Whats Wiltshire done in the last few years?. This is a team that was relying on an 18 year old sub to save them against Iceland. A lad in Man U reserves at New Year. The English media has hyped up a new generation of post 2014 kids who wouldn't get into the top Euro sides, club or international.

This England team barely beat a (on the day poor) Wales team, couldn't beat Slovakia, were pitiful against Iceland. Wales beat Russia 3-0 easily, England gets a draw. And looked average even in the warm up games. Even when beat us 3-1, they didn't look top drawer. We could have easily nicked a draw at Parkhead. And we are at best very average.

The players are simply not good enough, the manager is only part of the problem. No, they are not a 'different proposition' and to suggest with another manager they'd have trounced Iceland and would or can be a different and much better side is just nonsense. They were completely short of ideas, vision.......if Iceland had been a better team, 2-1 would have been a good result. As it was, Iceland could have made it 3 or 4-1 late on. Remember? Iceland!. Imagine what a Belgium, France, Italy, Germany, Spain would have done to them.

The players and their league are simply overhyped, overrated and not good enough at int level.

Barcelona? No wonder people don't take your posts seriously when you talk this twaddle. Going by what Judas says, jesus. You really are a sad and deluded Rangers fan.

We will find out soon enough how good Barca, sorry I mean Rangers are this season.

When have you ever heard anyone praise the style of football in a Rangers vs Celtic game? Words that are used are 'scrappy' or 'fast paced' or 'passion over quality'. Celtic were playing the old way of punt and rush, Rangers the European way of dominating possession, probing for an opening, pass, move and push on the fullbacks. MoJo is hardly a club rep for Rangers, I hadn't seen him in years on the TV.