DS Forums

 
 

Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 23-08-2016, 15:51
Mark.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The dark side of the moon
Posts: 51,356
I guess you'll just have to stop getting so offended then. Either that or don't go to watch your team get massacred by Rangers, your choice.
Trying to deflect again. Emphasis on "trying".

And so much fail in one post. But let's focus on one part.

Were you offended by Palestinian flags at Celtic Park last week?
Mark. is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 23-08-2016, 15:59
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
2-1 win was hardly massacred.....
They were slaughtered. Should have been 5 at half time.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:01
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
On what planet are Palestinian flags anti Semitic?
That is a discussion for another thread, not a football one.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:03
misawa97
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 11,516
That is a discussion for another thread, not a football one.
Yes you called the protest anti Semitic in a football thread.
misawa97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:06
CELT1987
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 10,230
Frankie's digging more holes for himself.
CELT1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:11
CELT1987
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 10,230
Trying to deflect again. Emphasis on "trying".

And so much fail in one post. But let's focus on one part.

Were you offended by Palestinian flags at Celtic Park last week?
The fact that he hasn't replied to you speaks volumes.
CELT1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:17
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
I go to reply and it says 'I do not have permission to view that page' or posts have disappeared. It isn't really the best thread to discuss this in because it gets reported and disappears and the thread of the discussion is lost. UEFA will sort this all out as they have done before with their fines, it is up to the clubs and fans responsible to adhere to the rules or face the consequences. Can't say any fairer than that.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:18
misawa97
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 11,516
The fact that he hasn't replied to you speaks volumes.
He never said what he thought of the tri colour flag you see Celtic fans use either.
misawa97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:20
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
He never said what he thought of the tri colour flag you see Celtic fans use either.
Celtic have their Irish connection like Ajax have a Jewish connection. UEFA are quite adamant about no illicit banners and political ideology and fine people heavily for it. They fined St Johnstone £14k for one fan waving it. This is all better suited to the politics forum really.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:21
misawa97
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 11,516
I go to reply and it says 'I do not have permission to view that page' or posts have disappeared. It isn't really the best thread to discuss this in because it gets reported and disappears and the thread of the discussion is lost. UEFA will sort this all out as they have done before with their fines, it is up to the clubs and fans responsible to adhere to the rules or face the consequences. Can't say any fairer than that.
Rules are not there to make people conform no matter what. A couple of Olympians 50 years ago did a black power movement salute when they got there medals. Against the rules yes but was it worth it. Of course!!!
misawa97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:30
Mark.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The dark side of the moon
Posts: 51,356
The fact that he hasn't replied to you speaks volumes.
Indeed.

There's also the fact he thinks it's my problem for being offended (I'm not) rather than the The Rangers fans' problem for actually singing it in the first place.

It's the same logic used in the "I'm sorry if people were offended" non-apologies you always hear.
Mark. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:54
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
Rules are not there to make people conform no matter what. A couple of Olympians 50 years ago did a black power movement salute when they got there medals. Against the rules yes but was it worth it. Of course!!!
It is hardly the same situation to the civil rights movement. Trying to get rid of this sort of provocation and illicit banners is something UEFA fines big and small teams for. If it is left unchallenged it festers away and the motives behind these sort of protests are always highly questionable.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:55
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
Indeed.

There's also the fact he thinks it's my problem for being offended (I'm not) rather than the The Rangers fans' problem for actually singing it in the first place.

It's the same logic used in the "I'm sorry if people were offended" non-apologies you always hear.
I don't know what you heard or what you think you heard, but what do you want me to do about it?
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:56
Mark.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The dark side of the moon
Posts: 51,356
I don't know what you heard or what you think you heard, but what do you want me to do about it?
I didn't ask you to do anything about it. I asked you what you think the SPFL should do about it.

I then asked if you were offended by the Palestinian flags.
Mark. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:57
CELT1987
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 10,230
I don't know what you heard or what you think you heard, but what do you want me to do about it?
Like answer the question. Were you offended by a Palestine flag last week? Your the one who talked about the offending bus.
CELT1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:58
kobashi100
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,743
It is hardly the same situation to the civil rights movement. Trying to get rid of this sort of provocation and illicit banners is something UEFA fines big and small teams for. If it is left unchallenged it festers away and the motives behind these sort of protests are always highly questionable.
So you do believe the Palestinian flag is illicit. Sorry but that shows exactly what kind of person you are.
kobashi100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 16:59
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
I didn't ask you to do anything about it. I asked you what you think the SPFL should do about it.

I then asked if you were offended by the Palestinian flags.
Why what did they hear? Who complained about what? What specific charge are they up on?
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 17:00
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
So you do believe the Palestinian flag is illicit. Sorry but that shows exactly what kind of person you are.
Using it in these political protests isn't on and UEFA have fined Celtic before over it. If you don't like it then don't enter UEFA competitions. Participation in them is a privilege, not a right.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 17:01
Mark.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The dark side of the moon
Posts: 51,356
Why what did they hear? Who complained about what? What specific charge are they up on?
Ah, so you're only prepared to enter into discussion when a club has actually been charged with something.

But let's try and run with this.

There was clear sectarian signing. I heard it, as did everyone else in the stadium. People at home would have heard it too if BT didn't turn down their mics to try and pretend it wasn't happening.

So I'm now asking what you think the punishment should be for a club whose fans are found guilty of sectarian singing. After all, you're prepared to speculate on the punishment for a club who haven't actually been found guilty of anything yet, so why not do likewise here?
Mark. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 17:10
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
Ah, so you're only prepared to enter into discussion when a club has actually been charged with something.

But let's try and run with this.

There was clear sectarian signing. I heard it, as did everyone else in the stadium. People at home would have heard it too if BT didn't turn down their mics to try and pretend it wasn't happening.

So I'm now asking what you think the punishment should be for a club whose fans are found guilty of sectarian singing. After all, you're prepared to speculate on the punishment for a club who haven't actually been found guilty of anything yet, so why not do likewise here?
I didn't hear it and I won't be taking your opinion as gospel given you loathe Rangers, so thanks all the same. Until they are up on a charge there is nothing to say about it. Celtic are up on a charge and have been done for it before, that's the difference.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 17:15
CELT1987
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 10,230
I didn't hear it and I won't be taking your opinion as gospel given you loathe Rangers, so thanks all the same. Until they are up on a charge there is nothing to say about it. Celtic are up on a charge and have been done for it before, that's the difference.
More like you didn't want to hear it and you shut your ears.
CELT1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 17:59
FrankieFixer
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 11,355
More like you didn't want to hear it and you shut your ears.
I wouldn't believe just anything Rangers haters say, especially their mock offence about something that supposedly happened only they heard. Until Rangers are up on a charge it isn't a point worth discussing.
FrankieFixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 18:19
bcdee
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lapland
Posts: 727
I wonder if we'll see any Palestine flags amongst the Celtic support tonight
bcdee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 18:27
kobashi100
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,743
I wonder if we'll see any Palestine flags amongst the Celtic support tonight
Israeli police said they will remove them from any Celtic fans entering the stadium
kobashi100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-08-2016, 18:34
misawa97
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 11,516
Ah, so you're only prepared to enter into discussion when a club has actually been charged with something.

But let's try and run with this.

There was clear sectarian signing. I heard it, as did everyone else in the stadium. People at home would have heard it too if BT didn't turn down their mics to try and pretend it wasn't happening.

So I'm now asking what you think the punishment should be for a club whose fans are found guilty of sectarian singing. After all, you're prepared to speculate on the punishment for a club who haven't actually been found guilty of anything yet, so why not do likewise here?
We already had Ray Stubbs on ESPN mention sectarian singing when they were away to Berwick. It happens and he knows it, it's just denial.
misawa97 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:19.