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Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 22)
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timboy
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Bad news. Will give Rangers a boost if he doesn't play. We could move Sinclair up top and put Roberts out wide right and Forrest left.”

We have much better options this season than we had last season.

If Griffiths was out last season then Ciftci was the only option.
misawa97
08-09-2016
I would start Dembele. I think Sinclair is better running onto the ball rather than his back to goal. Use Dembele’s physicality and pace against their old backline.

I see some debate whether Forrest or Roberts should start? For me it has to be Roberts. You get the best players on the pitch and even though Forrest has done well, Roberts is different class.
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by glasgow67:
“Better than being SPL fodder. Stick to talking about teams like Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

The team you used to support won only 1 of their last 25 European games before their Death thats embarrassing.”

You'll be disgraced in that group on the pitch and your fans will embarrass themselves and the country with yet more flares, fights, fines and political posturing. It'll be fun for the rest of us to watch.
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Bigger than playing some new mob in Glasgow.

As for 4th seed fodder you should know all about that. The club you claim still lives history is just that, European minnows. I'm pretty sure old Rangers held the record for entering the European cup the most times without ever winning it.”

Celtic are 4th seed diddies who will get thrashed. That's their contribution to European football now, making up the numbers and praying to keep it under 4-0.

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“Don't forget the 'great' Walter Smith:

Played: 31
*Won: 3*
Lost: 13
Drawn: 15

And they call this guy a great manager lol”

A guy that has never been to a football game criticising Walter Smith, a manager who took a Scottish team to the last ever European final a team from here will ever get to. I mean L.O.L.
CELT1987
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Celtic are 4th seed diddies who will get thrashed. That's their contribution to European football now, making up the numbers and praying to keep it under 4-0.



A guy that has never been to a football game criticising Walter Smith, a manager who took a Scottish team to the last ever European final a team from here will ever get to. I mean L.O.L. ”

Celtic are the only Scottish team left in Europe, so you could credit them for that.

I noticed you deflected answering the question on how you think Rangers would do in Europe. I think we know the answer.

Come on here and gloat if Rangers do better then Celtic in Europe. Thankfully your team has no chance of making any impact in Europe.

Whatever happens in Champions League, we will still pick up near £25m.
misawa97
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Celtic are 4th seed diddies who will get thrashed. That's their contribution to European football now, making up the numbers and praying to keep it under 4-0.



A guy that has never been to a football game criticising Walter Smith, a manager who took a Scottish team to the last ever European final a team from here will ever get to. I mean L.O.L. ”

The numbers don't lie. This guy had an awful record in European competition.

3 wins out of 31 no matter how you try and dress it up is nothing short of shocking.

I find it laughable you can try and laugh at any other club in Europe when your old club has a highlight reel of European failures and the new one has never played in Europe.
Callum Collum
08-09-2016
Rangers' style of play might suit European football. But of course we won't know until next season at the earliest.
crofter
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“The numbers don't lie. This guy had an awful record in European competition.

3 wins out of 31 no matter how you try and dress it up is nothing short of shocking.

I find it laughable you can try and laugh at any other club in Europe when your old club has a highlight reel of European failures and the new one has never played in Europe.”

Lol - Liverpool suddenly not getting your blood racing these past few years?? Remind us again what your thought on Brenda was when he was in charge of your "old" team.
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Celtic are the only Scottish team left in Europe, so you could credit them for that.

I noticed you deflected answering the question on how you think Rangers would do in Europe. I think we know the answer.

Come on here and gloat if Rangers do better then Celtic in Europe. Thankfully your team has no chance of making any impact in Europe.

Whatever happens in Champions League, we will still pick up near £25m.”

You get no credit for limping past the Red Imps and other dross. UEFA rig it so diddy country champions get an easy route to the group stages when they don't deserve it. I'd rather watch Roma in the champions league than your lot making up the numbers. In times past you'd say how you will reach the last 16, now all you care about is a cheque your board won't spend.
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“The numbers don't lie. This guy had an awful record in European competition.

3 wins out of 31 no matter how you try and dress it up is nothing short of shocking.

I find it laughable you can try and laugh at any other club in Europe when your old club has a highlight reel of European failures and the new one has never played in Europe.”

He took a Scottish club team to a European final. If you don't think that is impressive you are utterly clueless about football.
CELT1987
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You get no credit for limping past the Red Imps and other dross. UEFA rig it so diddy country champions get an easy route to the group stages when they don't deserve it. I'd rather watch Roma in the champions league than your lot making up the numbers. In times past you'd say how you will reach the last 16, now all you care about is a cheque your board won't spend.”

You still have avoided the question how you think Rangers will do in Europe next season. Answer it or are you too scared to admit Rangers will be rubbish in Europe with their current squad?

Bet you would be delighted if your 'diddy' club got into Champions League. Yet according to you, Scottish teams shouldn't get the chance to go into Champions Lesgue.
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“You still have avoided the question how you think Rangers will do in Europe next season. Answer it or are you too scared to admit Rangers will be rubbish in Europe with their current squad?

Bet you would be delighted if your 'diddy' club got into Champions League. Yet according to you, Scottish teams shouldn't get the chance to go into Champions Lesgue.”

I don't know how they would do because they aren't in it. It is because of Celtic and the rest of the diddy teams that our coefficient is so poor. You had loads of chances to get into the champions league and UEFA practically gave you a leg up by playing dross and the whole Legia affair and you still mucked it up for years. The rest of the Scottish teams you can excuse because they are utter shit and losing to Maltese teams doesn't even raise an eyebrow now.
CELT1987
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“I don't know how they would do because they aren't in it. It is because of Celtic and the rest of the diddy teams that our coefficient is so poor. You had loads of chances to get into the champions league and UEFA practically gave you a leg up by playing dross and the whole Legia affair and you still mucked it up for years. The rest of the Scottish teams you can excuse because they are utter shit and losing to Maltese teams doesn't even raise an eyebrow now.”

You forget that Celtic got into last 16 a few years ago and also got into last 32 of Europa league.

How convienent that you forget that, yet always remember the bad results.

Remind me, how did Rangers do last time they played in Europe?
FrankieFixer
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“You forget that Celtic got into last 16 a few years ago and also got into last 32 of Europa league.

How convienent that you forget that, yet always remember the bad results.

Remind me, how did Rangers do last time they played in Europe?”

You couldn't win a group game in the Europa league, not the champions league, the dross filled Europa league. You couldn't get past dross in Europe even though you had no domestic competition to worry about, and even then you couldn't do a treble.

Celtic just make up the numbers now, they'll get destroyed in that group.
CELT1987
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You couldn't win a group game in the Europa league, not the champions league, the dross filled Europa league. You couldn't get past dross in Europe even though you had no domestic competition to worry about, and even then you couldn't do a treble.

Celtic just make up the numbers now, they'll get destroyed in that group.”

really Frankie, is that the best you can do?

Notice you've still ignored that we got to the last 16 in 2012/13 and last 32 of Europa League in 2014/15..
misawa97
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“He took a Scottish club team to a European final. If you don't think that is impressive you are utterly clueless about football.”

Believe it or not I don't find a team limping to a final scoring hardly any goals and boring everyone with negative tactics that impressive at all. I most certainly don't think it makes up for someone who's CL record ranks as one of the worst.

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“ I don't know how they would do because they aren't in it. It is because of Celtic and the rest of the diddy teams that our coefficient is so poor. You had loads of chances to get into the champions league and UEFA practically gave you a leg up by playing dross and the whole Legia affair and you still mucked it up for years”

McCoist certainly helped the cause. He manages to get knocked out of two competitions before the end of August. Did absolute wonders for the coefficient.

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“Lol - Liverpool suddenly n ot getting your blood racing these past few years?? Remind us again what your thought on Brenda was when he was in charge of your "old" team”

You would know all about an "old" team.
bhoy07
08-09-2016
After watching Scotland's game tonight I now know the reason Scotland haven't qualified since 1998 for anything is because of politics, crap managers, England and the break up of the Soviet Union.

Nothing to do with the SFA but at least Henry McLeish got to discuss the referendum.

After two watchable episodes this one kinda sucked.
bhoy07
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“McCoist certainly helped the cause. He manages to get knocked out of two competitions before the end of August. Did absolute wonders for the coefficient. ”

Ultimately Craig Whyte's biggest mistake was to let him manage that team.

That £15m jackpot bought Rangers.
Jokanovic
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by crofter:
“Lol - Liverpool suddenly not getting your blood racing these past few years?? Remind us again what your thought on Brenda was when he was in charge of your "old" team.”

Amazing isn't it. Rangers are back in the SPL and suddenly it's Liverwho.
4 years of bottling it all up.
Forget those days of wanting Brendan out, he's the best around now.
FrankieFixer
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“ really Frankie, is that the best you can do?

Notice you've still ignored that we got to the last 16 in 2012/13 and last 32 of Europa League in 2014/15..”

Living in the small glory of the past as usual. "We got to the last 16 four seasons ago!" Well why aren't you aiming for that now? Why all the talk about cheques? As for the last 32 in the Europa, that's not even an achievement. Look at your record last season, abysmal. You have a bigger budget than all SPL teams at the time combined and you still couldn't win a group game.
FrankieFixer
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Believe it or not I don't find a team limping to a final scoring hardly any goals and boring everyone with negative tactics that impressive at all. I most certainly don't think it makes up for someone who's CL record ranks as one of the worst.

McCoist certainly helped the cause. He manages to get knocked out of two competitions before the end of August. Did absolute wonders for the coefficient.

You would know all about an "old" team.”

About as stupid as saying "I don't think Portugal winning the Euros was that good because they didn't play well". No other Scottish team will ever grace a European final. That was an achievement by Walter Smith, it is clueless to deny that.
Mark.
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Living in the small glory of the past as usual.”

It should probably be noted that in the revamped Champions League, Celtic's coefficient will be boosted thanks to their European Cup win in 1967.
misawa97
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“About as stupid as saying "I don't think Portugal winning the Euros was that good because they didn't play well". No other Scottish team will ever grace a European final. That was an achievement by Walter Smith, it is clueless to deny that.”

With the biggest difference being Portugal won.

You know as well as I do that a career record of 3 wins in 31 games isn't good. You cant defend that record whether you like it or not.

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“You have a bigger budget than all SPL teams at the time combined and you still couldn't win a group game.”

The irony here is staggering.

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“Forget those days of wanting Brendan out, he's the best around now”

Good luck on finding me saying Brendan out.
misawa97
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“After watching Scotland's game tonight I now know the reason Scotland haven't qualified since 1998 for anything is because of politics, crap managers, England and the break up of the Soviet Union.

Nothing to do with the SFA but at least Henry McLeish got to discuss the referendum.

After two watchable episodes this one kinda sucked.”

Roxburgh's comments on Costa Rica were shocking. This is your first opponent at a World Cup Finals and they did no preparation at all. Just expected to turn up and win easy.
FrankieFixer
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“With the biggest difference being Portugal won.

You know as well as I do that a career record of 3 wins in 31 games isn't good. You cant defend that record whether you like it or not.



The irony here is staggering.



Good luck on finding me saying Brendan out.”

He took them 10 games unbeaten and was 90 minutes away from the champions league final against the cheats from Marseille. Saying he only won 6 out of 35 group games is misleading as he drew with Barcelona and drew 1-1 with Man Utd away and still took a Scottish club team to a European final, something that will never be done again.

Walter Smith is still a great manager and will always be looked on as a legend of Rangers for his achievements no matter how much guff you spout.
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