He was a sad joker and pathetic hard man that Souness would have eaten for breakfast. You could cry with how far Scotland as a national team have fallen, and for him to have 50 caps whilst doing sweet **** all. As for Barton, he's won the Championship twice, a more difficult league to win by far than the SPL.

Barton is crap, end off. Even Peter Grant was a better player then him.

He's also dropped down a league three times after being found out at a higher level.

I'll tell his mum yer a fan, when I talk too her tomorrow, shall I ?
BTW .......... hate feeding the thread troll

Utter rubbish. Its nothing to do with being at Celtic, he was widely disliked when at Hibs. And would be if at any other Scots club.

He is disliked because he is a laughable pseudo-hardman. The shaved head and the death stares are ludicrous. Embarrassing. He kicks everything that moves, yet flies off the handle and goes running to the referee if anyone gets stuck into him. A real hard player takes the kicks he dishes out. Brown is a pseudo-hardman that everyone knows wouldnt last five mins even just 15-20 years ago. The irony is he can play a bit and would be a much more effective player if he knocked off the hardman persona.

Billy McNeill. Now there IS a proper player we can all admire: tough as nails but fair and a player and a half. Broonie isn't fit to lace Caesar's boots. In fact he isn't fit to lace Big Roy Aitken's. Or even Peter Grant's.

Souness?. Forget him or John Brown or Hurlock.

Nigel Spackman would have eaten him up for breakfast. Ian Ferguson would have killed Brown in an OF match.

240 appearances in the Premier League. Just a bit better than what Scott Brown has done.

Your post lacks credibility by mentioning Ian Ferguson.

She still handing out the giros?

Count the number of red cards Barton has had in those appearances. Average player and journeyman.

Brown has his faults but give me him over Barton any day.

Drivel.

Ferguson was a superb and actually very underrated player. I watched the man have Gazza (1989 vs Spurs) and Keane (94 vs Utd) in his pocket without breaking sweat. I think you forget how good a midfielder he was. For St Mirren and Rangers. And he was as tough as nails.

Can you count friendly matches?

open a window, & let some smoke out fella !

yer an utter numpty on this thread,

You have a cheek to talk about lack of credibility. Anyone who thinks that Durrant and McStay were overrated is lacking any credibility.

I never said they were overrated. Find that post where I said that strawman.

I said they were very good players. I never said they weren't.

Stop making things up to prove your stupid point over Ferguson.

I'm entitled to my view regarding Ferguson. Average player. Not in same class as McStay,Durrant or even Brown.

I was a huge fan of McStay so I'm hardly going to think he was overrated. Durrant was a fine player but wasn't the same player when he got the injury.

Barry Ferguson was better than Brown never mind Ian. What was it Ian Ferguson got, 10 titles?

I and others here have stated/argued that both men were world class players. A statement I and others stand by. You argued/stated they weren't, it was that recent-ish discussion I was referring to. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

If you think Scott Brown is better than Ian Ferguson, seek help. Fergie was a far superior player, and I would say that if he was green and white. Even as a Rangers fan, I would have Big Roy or Peter Grant in his position before I'd have Brown. Brown is too often average and good at best.

As a Rangers fan, I thought and still think McStay at his peak was world class. And 1986-88, before the injury, Durrant was a sublime player. At 19/20, he, and in fact both players, were world class level. Durrant post-injury was still leaps and bounds above any midfielder in Scotland bar McStay and Collins.

Saying they aren't world class isn't saying they are overrated. I clearly said they were very good players. You have your view on what world class is, I have mine.

McStay was very good but never become world class as he stayed in Scotland too long, and didn't get to develop his game further by playing in a better league. He was loyal but should have left in 1992. If he had gone to say the Italian league it would have been better for him.

As I said before, people have their own definition of what world class is. It's bandied about too much nowadays to players who aren't world class.

Just because you think Durrant and McStay were world class, doesn't mean they were. As I have said, both were very good players who could have been world class it they had left to go to a better league in their prime. Durrant was never the same after the Simpson tackle so you can't say he was world class after that.

TBH I was never been entirely convinced by Paul McStay, John Collins was a better player.
It's very much a case of nostalgia clouding reality imo.

If memory served me well, for all the hype, and the thrown away jersey goodbye, nobody actually came in for him that summer. There is a myth bandied about he turned down clubs like Man U, but that's a nonsense.

I agree terms are used too much, but I am a fan of nearly 40 years, I don't use them lightly. I genuinely believe at their peaks, they were both playing at world class standards, even in a smaller league. They both did it for Scotland and in Europe.

Durrant wasn't world class after 1988, imo he was in the two seasons up to them. As a non Celtic fan, I am not sure what a fan would class as McStay's peak years. The 1987-88 season certainly must be a fav of any Bhoy.

McStay was at his best in 87/88. He never quite maintained that form after that, mainly down to a poorer Celtic side being created.

McStay was a great player for Celtic but I'd struggle to say that he was world class, I don't think that he scored enough goals for the position he played.

Durrant wasn't world class either, look at the players who were around at the time.

World class for me are players who could have gotten into the best 10 club sides/countries in the world at the time they played.

Tommy is right, it is all rose tinted nostalgia.

The Club 1872 statement today is the exact reason why groups like theirs will never be taken seriously.

All they do is play to the lowest common denominator, in the case of Club 1872 that is Follow Follow posters.

Celtic just sweep, sweeped it as usual.

Like your club does.