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Old 07-08-2014, 21:42
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From the BBC:

However, in 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest from opponents Litex Lovech, who wanted the Hungarian side kicked out of the tournament for fielding an ineligible player.

Debrecen argued that they fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were leading 4-1 on aggregate.

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28693855
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Old 07-08-2014, 21:42
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Somehow Aberdeen lose 3-2.
I think they ran out of steam and lacked that bit of quality around the edge of the box in the last 30 minutes.

Good effort though.
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Old 07-08-2014, 21:55
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He came on for the last 4 minutes, just as Celtic were going to push on and give a 6 goal humping.
I was already over the Forth road bridge and into Fife before he even stepped on the pitch last night!

It would, obviously, be completely undeserved but rules are there for a reason and if you play a suspended player then there will be ramifications.

I wonder if UEFA might fine Legia instead of turfing them out of the competition?
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:03
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Debrecen player wasn't registered, Legia guy was suspended so different rules apply here.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:05
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Bartosz Bereszyński didn't play in either leg against st patricks, or the first leg against celtic, so unless he was banned for FOUR games for his sending off in last years EL this isn't going anywhere!
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:07
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Debrecen player wasn't registered, Legia guy was suspended so different rules apply here.
The part where it says:

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".

Would probably be taken into account. The punishment should fit the crime Legia will argue if any wrongdoing is proven.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:07
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Bartosz Bereszyński didn't play in either leg against st patricks, or the first leg against celtic, so unless he was banned for FOUR games for his sending off in last years EL this isn't going anywhere!
In order for him to serve his suspension Legia had to register him in the squad to play St Pats.

So far it seems this did not happen - therefore he hasn't served a 3 match ban yet.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:07
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Bartosz Bereszyński didn't play in either leg against st patricks, or the first leg against celtic, so unless he was banned for FOUR games for his sending off in last years EL this isn't going anywhere!
You haven't bothered reading things properly have you?

Legia didn't register him for the St Pats games so his suspension wasn't being used up.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:08
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Bartosz Bereszyński didn't play in either leg against st patricks, or the first leg against celtic, so unless he was banned for FOUR games for his sending off in last years EL this isn't going anywhere!
Apparently he wasn't registered in the squad against St Patricks, so his ban wouldn't have counted for those games.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:11
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The part where it says:

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".

Would probably be taken into account. The punishment should fit the crime Legia will argue if any wrongdoing is proven.
I hope that's the case and Legia just get fined. Celtic really don't deserve to progress after those performances.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:13
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The part where it says:

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".

Would probably be taken into account. The punishment should fit the crime Legia will argue if any wrongdoing is proven.
2010-11 - Uefa overturned a 2-1 win for Baku in the ELQ after they fielded a suspended player.

2012-13 - Uefa overturned a 3-0 win for Arsenal Kyiv in the ELQ after they fielded a suspended player.

The opposing teams both were awarded 3-0 wins.

If UEFA deem Legia did not register him for the St Pats tie, he therefore was suspended for both legs against Celtic - therefore they'll have no option but to award Celtic a 3-0 whether we like it or not.

UEFA have discretion if a player is 'ineligible' and plays - they don't use discretion if a player is 'suspended' and plays.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:19
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2010-11 - Uefa overturned a 2-1 win for Baku in the ELQ after they fielded a suspended player.

2012-13 - Uefa overturned a 3-0 win for Arsenal Kyiv in the ELQ after they fielded a suspended player.

The opposing teams both were awarded 3-0 wins.

If UEFA deem Legia did not register him for the St Pats tie, he therefore was suspended for both legs against Celtic - therefore they'll have no option but to award Celtic a 3-0 whether we like it or not.

UEFA have discretion if a player is 'ineligible' and plays - they don't use discretion if a player is 'suspended' and plays.
I think we all know that UEFA can do whatever they please.

We aren't exactly in their good books these days either.

UEFA are holding the meeting at 9am tomorrow so the decision could be made before the draw for the next round of qualifiers is made and Celtic could be seeded.
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Old 07-08-2014, 22:43
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I thought Aberdeen were excellent tonight. At 2-1 we pushed everyone forward and only kept a couple back so no surprise we were caught on the break.
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Old 07-08-2014, 23:02
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I thought Aberdeen were excellent tonight. At 2-1 we pushed everyone forward and only kept a couple back so no surprise we were caught on the break.
Thought we played really well tonight against a very good side, didn't deserve to lose it.
Looking good for the season ahead though.
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Old 07-08-2014, 23:55
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Thought we played really well tonight against a very good side, didn't deserve to lose it.
Looking good for the season ahead though.
Would be a lot better if we could get Shinnie in. I'd be very optimistic then.

I thought Xabi Prieto was outstanding. I've seen him stroll through plenty of La Liga games and he did the exact same tonight.
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Old 08-08-2014, 00:21
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Legia plot thickens - seems Celtic didn't initiate the complaint that has led to the investigation - according to the DM that is.

Can only assume a UEFA match delegate did.
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Old 08-08-2014, 00:28
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Legia plot thickens - seems Celtic didn't initiate the complaint that has led to the investigation - according to the DM that is.
Fearing embarrassment in the play-off round, perhaps?

Although if you are reinstated, it means you don't need to navigate the Europa League play-offs - you're guaranteed the group stages there at worst.
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:40
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The part where it says:

Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour".

Would probably be taken into account. The punishment should fit the crime Legia will argue if any wrongdoing is proven.
You really don't want Celtic to be in the Chsmpions League do you?
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:31
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A fine will be sufficient. I don't want to go through when the result was so one sided.

It was clearly just an error.
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Old 08-08-2014, 08:40
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Great effort from the Dons last night. Should of at least held out for the 2nd leg win but it was not to be.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:56
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Celtic back in Champions League http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs...legia-forfeit/
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:02
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Feel sorry for Legia as I don't believe they tried to gain a sporting advantage and UEFA are simply going by there own rulebook.

However looking @ sevco forums made me laugh. Somehow Lawell has bribed UEFA, the pope has had a word and the fenian hand has stuck again.

Sad sad people!!!
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:04
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Are you a fan of The Rangers by any chance?

Legia broke the rules and have been punished accordingly.
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:18
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A result but going to need a pretty favourable draw to get any further
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:21
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A result but going to need a pretty favourable draw to get any further
NK Maribor
Molde
Slovan Bratislava
Aalborg
Ludogorets

Any of those are beatable but I'm not confident. The current celtic squad is very very poor.

From Jan the club should of been preparing for the CL qualifiers but no as usual the club does nothing hoping to qualify and then spend little money with about 2 weeks of the window remaining. Its a crazy way to do things!!!
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