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Old 25-08-2013, 13:30
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After a few years of an iPad only, it's been great but miss the broad spectrum of things you can do with a PC, so I'm going to buy a laptop again.

Since I bought my new phone, the Galaxy S4, it's sort of overtaken my use of the ipad anyway, so it's really not sort of useful for me anymore.

I was thinking of the Dell XPS 15? Anyone got any views on this or other laptops I should consider?
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Old 25-08-2013, 16:45
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It completely depends on what you want to use it for, and what your budget is.
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Old 25-08-2013, 19:00
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FWIW my dad has the XPS 13 and its a lovely bit of kit.

If you do decide to go with the XPS, check out the business store as that will give you the option for Windows 7 if you prefer as well as ProSupport warranty.

Check Quidco and the likes as well as there are nearly always coupons and cashback deals available for Dell.
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Old 25-08-2013, 19:10
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A bit pricey? I never liked Dell to be honest.

But you going back to PC have proved the point I have been making for a while. A lot of people will go back to a computer of some sort when they realise how limited their tablets are. Not all will mind you, but a lot will.
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Old 25-08-2013, 19:14
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The XPS range are mostly Ultrabooks so can't really be compared to a bog-standard laptop. If you want thin and lightweight whilst still being powerful they are ideal but you do pay a premium for it.
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Old 25-08-2013, 19:19
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A bit pricey? I never liked Dell to be honest.

But you going back to PC have proved the point I have been making for a while. A lot of people will go back to a computer of some sort when they realise how limited their tablets are. Not all will mind you, but a lot will.
I tend to agree. I have a tablet and I use it for several things. But to me it just another tool to do certain things for me when I'm not near my desktop. However, there are just certain things that you still cannot do on a tablet, or indeed, would want to, so I still come back to the desktop at the end of the day.
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Old 26-08-2013, 08:23
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The XPS range are mostly Ultrabooks so can't really be compared to a bog-standard laptop. If you want thin and lightweight whilst still being powerful they are ideal but you do pay a premium for it.
They are now Ultrabooks, but they never used to be, I know of someone who got a older XPS laptop and it is ok, but it was over priced for what it was.
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Old 26-08-2013, 08:27
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I tend to agree. I have a tablet and I use it for several things. But to me it just another tool to do certain things for me when I'm not near my desktop. However, there are just certain things that you still cannot do on a tablet, or indeed, would want to, so I still come back to the desktop at the end of the day.
I had a muck around on a Android based tablet last night when I was out, I think it is was a Nexus. Just like a over sized phone without the phone bit. For browsing the web, watching a video it is ok, but I can't see any other use for it. Even the person that owns it only uses for a bit of browsing and maybe putting ideas down for their poems. They said you can't type on it very well and I agree.

They thought I would have had one by now, but as i said, I have no use for one.
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Old 26-08-2013, 14:50
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Thing is, exactly what's been said. I've made do with a tablet, but there's something sometimes I want to do, but can't because its not a PC. I also miss just having it sit on my lap or table withhout having to hold it.

And everything I can do on my ipad can be done on my smartphone, so really it's a piece of kit I can do without.
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Old 26-08-2013, 16:17
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Thing is, exactly what's been said. I've made do with a tablet, but there's something sometimes I want to do, but can't because its not a PC. I also miss just having it sit on my lap or table withhout having to hold it.

And everything I can do on my ipad can be done on my smartphone, so really it's a piece of kit I can do without.
That is why I never want a tablet, now a e-reader is a different thing. i have a kobo E-ink reader,
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Old 26-08-2013, 17:18
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how much are you thinking of spending on a system
that way people can offer advice if they know your budget
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:04
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how much are you thinking of spending on a system
that way people can offer advice if they know your budget
Around 600-900 max.
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:09
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A bit pricey? I never liked Dell to be honest.

But you going back to PC have proved the point I have been making for a while. A lot of people will go back to a computer of some sort when they realise how limited their tablets are. Not all will mind you, but a lot will.
I would agree. My parents have an iPad but all they use it for is to browse and play the odd game. I played it with it and I didn't like how limited and locked down it was. The iPad is probably the worst. It has no USB, no SD card slot, no optical drive, you can't print from it, you can't run any other OS on it and you can only use apps from the App Store unless you jailbreak. I need to have control over my computer and what I install on it. My main machine is a Macbook Pro dual booted with OSX and Windows 7 and I also have a Macbook Air as a second laptop. It's far better than the iPad and if I wanted I could even run Windows! I have an Android smartphone for using out and about and I couldn't live without that.
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:18
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You can get the Dell XPS 12 for about 500-600 from the Dell Outlet Store.

It is a laptop but the screen can flip to be tablet-y. If you sell your iPad then net cost of this laptop becomes around 300.
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:35
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Around 600-900 max.
900 max I go for a MacBook Air
You could even get a 13" MacBook Pro in the refurb store
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:41
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First question: Windows, Apple, or Chromebook?

Second question (if Windows): Windows 7 or Windows 8?
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:59
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If you go mac..........

On the Apple store website now in there refurb section, you can get a 13" i5 Macbook Pro for 849
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Old 26-08-2013, 21:39
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900 max I go for a MacBook Air
You could even get a 13" MacBook Pro in the refurb store
You could get an 11" Macbook Air if you don't mind the smaller screen. I have one as my second computer. Oh and OP if you find you don't get on with Mac OS X you could always install Windows on the Mac
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Old 26-08-2013, 22:48
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I would agree. My parents have an iPad but all they use it for is to browse and play the odd game. I played it with it and I didn't like how limited and locked down it was. The iPad is probably the worst. It has no USB, no SD card slot, no optical drive, you can't print from it, you can't run any other OS on it and you can only use apps from the App Store unless you jailbreak. I need to have control over my computer and what I install on it. My main machine is a Macbook Pro dual booted with OSX and Windows 7 and I also have a Macbook Air as a second laptop. It's far better than the iPad and if I wanted I could even run Windows! I have an Android smartphone for using out and about and I couldn't live without that.
If you have other computers in the home then the iPad being locked down is no real barrier at all. I like my iPad and it's great for mirroring, airplay etc. You are wrong about printing too, I can certainly print from my iPad. Even though I've had my iPad almost two years I've never bought an app, I have a few free ones but that's it. It's not what I bought an iPad for, I have zero interest in apps.

However, I do agree, they are no substitute for a "proper computer" and I always think that those people who have bought one to replace their computer never really needed a computer in the first place.
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Old 26-08-2013, 23:00
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I would agree. My parents have an iPad but all they use it for is to browse and play the odd game. I played it with it and I didn't like how limited and locked down it was. The iPad is probably the worst. It has no USB, no SD card slot, no optical drive, you can't print from it, you can't run any other OS on it and you can only use apps from the App Store unless you jailbreak. I need to have control over my computer and what I install on it. My main machine is a Macbook Pro dual booted with OSX and Windows 7 and I also have a Macbook Air as a second laptop. It's far better than the iPad and if I wanted I could even run Windows! I have an Android smartphone for using out and about and I couldn't live without that.
This is why I have never had the desire to own a tablet, i know a few people who got one, either a Ipad or some sort of Android based one, also know someone who got a Surface, but they don't do nothing for me.

If i was going to pay 300, 3400 for one of these I may was well get a laptop, ok they are larger, but you can do a little bit more and they got a keyboard.
Then again, I already got a laptop and use it once in a blue moon.

Macs are too over priced to be honest, as much as I would not mind one, ok I would like the Os, i don't really want pay outrageous money for what is to be honest a standard spec machine.


I must admit a couple of years or so ago, before I built this machine I was looking at Macs, but I changed my mind and built the desktop instead, more for my money.

i get people who say to me they thought I would have had a tablet by now.
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Old 26-08-2013, 23:36
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This is why I have never had the desire to own a tablet, i know a few people who got one, either a Ipad or some sort of Android based one, also know someone who got a Surface, but they don't do nothing for me.

If i was going to pay 300, 3400 for one of these I may was well get a laptop, ok they are larger, but you can do a little bit more and they got a keyboard.
Then again, I already got a laptop and use it once in a blue moon.

Macs are too over priced to be honest, as much as I would not mind one, ok I would like the Os, i don't really want pay outrageous money for what is to be honest a standard spec machine.


I must admit a couple of years or so ago, before I built this machine I was looking at Macs, but I changed my mind and built the desktop instead, more for my money.

i get people who say to me they thought I would have had a tablet by now.
Up front cost may be a little more for an iMac but take a look at the residuals, silly money, no way would you get anything like that for a Windows machine. Take the residuals into account and they work out no more than a Windows machine, possibly less, but you get the benefit of owning and using a great bit of kit.
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Old 27-08-2013, 00:20
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i think its now past the point where heavy computer users have just one machine

i and my partner have a number of different devices for different uses
smartphones, tablet, laptops and a traditional heavy lifting pc running OSX as a hackintosh
i just don't personally see this tablet or laptop thing anymore

course if all your doing is a bit of surfing, email and maybe retouch a few holiday snaps
one machine might be all you need
then a lightwieght 13/15 inch laptop is probably the solution

not a tablet,
i wouldn't recommend just having a tablet - there's always going to be the odd need for something it won't do
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Old 27-08-2013, 10:49
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i think its now past the point where heavy computer users have just one machine

i and my partner have a number of different devices for different uses
smartphones, tablet, laptops and a traditional heavy lifting pc running OSX as a hackintosh
i just don't personally see this tablet or laptop thing anymore

course if all your doing is a bit of surfing, email and maybe retouch a few holiday snaps
one machine might be all you need
then a lightwieght 13/15 inch laptop is probably the solution

not a tablet,
i wouldn't recommend just having a tablet - there's always going to be the odd need for something it won't do
Exactly. As I say, with us it's tablet or smartphone when out and about. Tablet is definitely better if taking more than a few words of notes. Not easy on a smartphone keyboard. Then this is all synced when I return home to the desktop.

So I suppose for me a tablet has made life easier than taking notes in a notebook then having to transcribe them back at home but in all such cases that is for me. It will be different for someone else.
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