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Old 28-01-2005, 15:21
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For 18 months now EE has been in the doldrums, with dreadful writing and unappealing storielines, yet the BBC has continually denied there is a problem.

When Corrie had its admittedly shorter and less drastic down period in 2001, Granada acknowledged that all was not well and promised that if viewers stuck it out there would be a return to core Corrie values. The results have been it's obvious success.

Does the fact that the BBC has not admitted to loyal viewers that there is a problem mean that they don't realise how serious the problem is?
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:25
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The BBC have been trying to solve the recent problems at EastEnders and at the moment touch wood things have picked up regardless of who is in charge atm or what's going on behind the scenes.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Lenfairclough
For 18 months now EE has been in the doldrums, with dreadful writing and unappealing storielines, yet the BBC has continually denied there is a problem.

When Corrie had its admittedly shorter and less drastic down period in 2001, Granada acknowledged that all was not well and promised that if viewers stuck it out there would be a return to core Corrie values. The results have been it's obvious success.

Does the fact that the BBC has not admitted to loyal viewers that there is a problem mean that they don't realise how serious the problem is?
I started a thread similar to this a while ago but it got closed as certain people turned it into an argument. I think not only the BBC are unable to admit this but also the obsessed fans (the subject of my thread being EE fans unable to admit the soap's current flop).
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:25
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I don't think they could not realise considering how much the press are on their backs! They just didn't like to admit it.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Lenfairclough
For 18 months now EE has been in the doldrums, with dreadful writing and unappealing storielines, yet the BBC has continually denied there is a problem.

When Corrie had its admittedly shorter and less drastic down period in 2001, Granada acknowledged that all was not well and promised that if viewers stuck it out there would be a return to core Corrie values. The results have been it's obvious success.

Does the fact that the BBC has not admitted to loyal viewers that there is a problem mean that they don't realise how serious the problem is?
Well at the end of the day no one on this boards knows what is going on behind the scenes apart from Press claims and that is always lies. And to say it has been producing crap for two years is wrong EE has had a few really good episodes over the past year.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:29
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The show hit a bad spell back in 2004 but the episodes have been of much better quality in my opinion and I'm happy to watch them now and take them seriously which I wasn't prepared to do with the football storyline etc last year.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:30
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I'll be very interested to see the angle of their 20th anniversary celebrations given the current behind the scenes "chaos" and evident back-stabbing.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:31
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I am really looking forward to the 20th birthday because the plotline surrounding it is supposed to be massive and dramatic so it'll be interesting to see whether they deliver the goods.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
Well at the end of the day no one on this boards knows what is going on behind the scenes apart from Press claims and that is always lies. And to say it has been producing crap for two years is wrong EE has had a few really good episodes over the past year.
Im not talking about behind the scenes. Granada admitted publicly that there were problems in 2001. The BBC have never made any acknowledgment of the current disaster. And that is what it is. Any perceived improvement is minimal in compariosn to EE at its best. EE is up the creek and there may not be a paddle. I think people would have more patience if this was acknowledged.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:33
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Originally Posted by Lenfairclough
Im not talking about behind the scenes. Granada admitted publicly that there were problems in 2001. The BBC have never made any acknowledgment of the current disaster. And that is what it is. Any perceived improvement is minimal in compariosn to EE at its best. EE is up the creek and there may not be a paddle. I think people would have more patience if this was acknowledged.
It might have been/be up the creek but it's still got a paddle IMHO.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:33
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Originally Posted by Lenfairclough
Im not talking about behind the scenes. Granada admitted publicly that there were problems in 2001. The BBC have never made any acknowledgment of the current disaster. And that is what it is. Any perceived improvement is minimal in compariosn to EE at its best. EE is up the creek and there may not be a paddle. I think people would have more patience if this was acknowledged.

It was wendy richard openly said the writers were crap and kacey ainsworth said it was in caos. Everyone knows it has been shit
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:34
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EE has slowly become dire since Christmas 2002, it then fell completely apart during 2004 and of course the bad press didn't help the BBC, who up until Berridge left had failed to admit there was a problem.

We all know the truth and it’s obvious that the soap is in trouble after the rather public sacking of Kathleen H.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:34
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See what I mean about the fans refusing to admit EE has been dire for ages.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:36
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Yes, sometimes believing everything is OK and saying it in public can come back to haunt you.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:36
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
It was wendy richard openly said the writers were crap and kacey ainsworth said it was in caos.
Yes that is quite true. That is not the same thing as the people in charge, who created this chaos, or who have to clean it up actually saying "Yes it has been a complete waste of public money for 18 months".. EE may well bounce back to its former glory, but all concerned seem so sure it will happen that I can forsee them being continually so arrogant and the show never healing.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:37
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I prefer to call myself a long-term viewer and I noticed the quality beginning to sink in Christmas 2002 (which we all know is when Berridge took over) and I'd happily admit that all day long.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:38
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Originally Posted by Trixie-Firecracker
It was wendy richard openly said the writers were crap and kacey ainsworth said it was in caos. Everyone knows it has been shit
In all fairness, that isn't the BBC though is it? When MY accepted an award with LB...he made an announcement that EE was as great as it always was and that LB was not the problem?!? What...talk about denial.

It is getting back on track now and even you admit that it has been cack by saying "EE is on the up" and such.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:38
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The BBC haven't officially, but the cast i.e. Wendy Richard (long serving cast member) Kacey Ainsworth (cast member of four years) Natalie Cassidy (been there for years aswell) June Brown (long serving cast member) all these people in the last year have admitted the show is in need of help, what do you want, blood? The show is now getting that help with the recent events at Elstree.

BCJ you regularly say EE is shite and has been for years, which simply isn't true, so people will know when you're just trying to rub peoples faces in it, rather than creating a discussion.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:39
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Their answer so far seems to have been to increase the sensational stories, throw in loads of incest. How about being a bit creative?
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:40
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Oh yeah I forgot JB blasted them.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:41
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Originally Posted by Lenfairclough
Their answer so far seems to have been to increase the sensational stories, throw in loads of incest. How about being a bit creative?
I'm sorry but all soaps have sensational storylines

2004 was one of EE's worst years.
How is it in trouble now though?
Behind the scenes - yeah but atm what we're getting on-screen is quite good IMHO, maybe I'm prepared to settle for ANY improvement on 2004 and I believe that's what we're currently getting.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:41
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The BBC haven't officially, but the cast i.e. Wendy Richard (long serving cast member) Kacey Ainsworth (cast member of four years) Natalie Cassidy (been there for years aswell) June Brown (long serving cast member) all these people in the last year have admitted the show is in need of help, what do you want, blood? The show is now getting that help with the recent events at Elstree.
Will, a rule of management etiquette is that the responsibility comes from the top. The crest of the hierarchy are accountable for decisions/reactions/scenarios which are good and bad. Therefore the fact that nobody from EE's management / producers etc has admitted its problems is, I have to say, a heinous act.
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:41
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Originally Posted by willhung
The BBC haven't officially, but the cast i.e. Wendy Richard (long serving cast member) Kacey Ainsworth (cast member of four years) Natalie Cassidy (been there for years aswell) June Brown (long serving cast member) all these people in the last year have admitted the show is in need of help, what do you want, blood? The show is now getting that help with the recent events at Elstree.
Thats my point though, the BBC have taken a "all is well" attitude throughout this and lets face it all is not well.

I have no respect for EE now, where as 3 years ago I had towering respect for that show...
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:42
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Anyway can you post a link so we can see when itv said Corrie was doing badly because I cannot remember them saying so?
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Old 28-01-2005, 15:42
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Will, Do you remember when you happily took the P*ss out of EE for months on end when you first joined DS? I’m sure by your own admission it had been sh!t for some time.
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