Apple Bug Alert

IslandNiles · 02-09-2013, 22:12

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You think it's more news worthy on osx than on windows? The operating system that 90% of people use.

I don't think he's saying it IS more newsworthy, but that mainstream news sites and, to a certain extent, tech sites, seem to give Apple some arguably undue prominence, both in terms of positive and negative stories.

I'd agree that Windows would probably receive far more attention than OSX. Where I would tend to agree with CP's general point is on the mobile platform.

flagpole · 02-09-2013, 22:20

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Originally Posted by IslandNiles

I don't think he's saying it IS more newsworthy, but that mainstream news sites and, to a certain extent, tech sites, seem to give Apple some arguably undue prominence, both in terms of positive and negative stories.

I'd agree that Windows would probably receive far more attention than OSX. Where I would tend to agree with CP's general point is on the mobile platform.

I'd agree with that, but he did say osx.

I also don't think iOS gets the attention for the same reason CP does. But simply because I'd so ubiquitous.

flagpole · 02-09-2013, 22:24

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Originally Posted by tdenson

dictionary.com definition of swear - "to use profane oaths or language".
Now look back at your post, I don't want to repeat the word in the context in which you used it.

I think you're referring to the phrase 'oh Christ'.

Unfortunately you don't get to decide what language other people use.

calico_pie · 02-09-2013, 23:17

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Originally Posted by flagpole

You think it's more news worthy on osx than on windows? The operating system that 90% of people use.

That's not what I said.

My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage.

If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye.

flagpole · 02-09-2013, 23:21

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's not what I said.

My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage.

If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye.

You said it was more news worthy on osx than anything else.

I'm saying that if it was windows this story would be everywhere. As it is it's barely been reported in the mainstream. And not really by much of the tech press.

tdenson · 02-09-2013, 23:41

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I think you're referring to the phrase 'oh Christ'.

Unfortunately you don't get to decide what language other people use.

I was simply referring to the point that Stiggles said he didn't swear when dictionary.com says he did. No I can't stop him using any language he wants, but it was a polite request (I said "suggest") to ask him to refrain from using language that offends me. However, his willingness to offend people is unsurpassed on this forum.

calico_pie · 02-09-2013, 23:54

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Originally Posted by flagpole

You said it was more news worthy on osx than anything else.

I'm saying that if it was windows this story would be everywhere. As it is it's barely been reported in the mainstream. And not really by much of the tech press.

No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy.

I said It does seem as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX.

Stiggles · 03-09-2013, 00:18

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Originally Posted by tdenson

dictionary.com definition of swear - "to use profane oaths or language".
Now look back at your post, I don't want to repeat the word in the context in which you used it.

So i didn't at all

Stiggles · 03-09-2013, 00:25

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Originally Posted by tdenson

I was simply referring to the point that Stiggles said he didn't swear when dictionary.com says he did. No I can't stop him using any language he wants, but it was a polite request (I said "suggest") to ask him to refrain from using language that offends me. However, his willingness to offend people is unsurpassed on this forum.

There was no swearing in that post at all.

I however suggest that if 'oh christ' offends you because you are religious in any way shape or form (i'm not so it means nothing to me) you instead say, "do you mind not taking the lords name in vein as I'm religious" instead of coming out with nonsense like i was swearing which i clearly was not.

You do have this strange ability (like a few others on here in your camp) to see things in posts that just are not there then claim to be offended as a way of diverting the subject....

Stiggles · 03-09-2013, 00:26

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy.

I said It does seem as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX.

So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media.

Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here...

IslandNiles · 03-09-2013, 01:01

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media.

Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here...

I don't know about that. Outside of the tech sites and blogs, minor bugs don't tend to get reported by the mainstream media. Hacks and exploits get a bit more attention, but even then it's not particularly prominent.

hungover · 03-09-2013, 09:13

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's not what I said.

My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage.

If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye.

In terms of click baiting, Apple do get disproportionate coverage.

Initially the articles were almost exclusively exercises in sycophancy by supposed technology journalists whom believed that the world started in 2007.

Now Apple have become click bait. Read an article about the latest LG (or whatever) phone, and the editor will have littered the article with references to the iPhone.

Increasingly the press are willing to cover negative stories about Apple, this story, one which could potentially have a bigger impact on the average punter than any other is strangely absent from the main stream press.

The exception being the Guardian which covered the story after it had been mentioned in the comments section of a different story. Mentions in The Register? None. BBC? None. PC Advisor? None. It would be quicker to mention the outlets that have covered it.

I can only imagine that there is some kind of unofficial press embargo. If the mainstream press cover this story then Apple owners will be inundated with the messages. Perhaps they are hoping that Apple will release a patch in the next few days. Not sure why they would assume that to be the case given that Apple have been aware of it for 6 months.

Thus far the effects of the Unicode of death have been mitigated by the actions of FaceBook, websites and 3rd party twitter apps and not by Apple.

Such treatment IS disproportionate. The press were happy to, for example, cover the 3d gun stories, knowing that doing so would lead to more people downloading the plans.

Regardless, it is not the job of the press to supress stories. Should they have kept quiet about Syrian nerve gas attacks so that quiet "diplomatic" talks could take place behind the scene? (And no I am not directly equating the severity of the two stories).

hungover · 03-09-2013, 09:18

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Originally Posted by IslandNiles

I don't know about that. Outside of the tech sites and blogs, minor bugs don't tend to get reported by the mainstream media. Hacks and exploits get a bit more attention, but even then it's not particularly prominent.

The news worthiness of a story is often a function of the number of people that might potentially be affected by it.

There are a gazillion iWhatever owners. Sounds newsworthy to me.

flagpole · 03-09-2013, 09:58

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy.

I said It does seem as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX.

Quite.

I'm saying if this was a windows bug affecting 90% of the world's computer users it would get a lot more attention than it does in the fringe os that is OSX.

calico_pie · 03-09-2013, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media.

Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here...

No, I really didn't.

jwball · 03-09-2013, 10:14

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Originally Posted by hungover

just like siri then. Kept in beta longer than any other program i can think of, just to stave off class action cases of people complaining about it. Sorry, a tad off topic..

You've obviously never used gmail then.

flagpole · 03-09-2013, 10:34

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Originally Posted by jwball

You've obviously never used gmail then.

There is a huge difference.

Google kept GMail in beta up until they were ready to offer a paid service. The beta, as is often the case with google refers to the monetization. but from day one the service was reliable innovative and free.

Siri was kept in beta as a legal loop hole to prevent class action law suits because of it not working as advertised. which would have been fine if it was a genuine beta. but it wasn't it was in all their adverts. it was a selling point that didn't work.

calico_pie · 03-09-2013, 10:53

Doesn't work, or isn't perfect?

flagpole · 03-09-2013, 10:55

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Doesn't work, or isn't perfect?

i don't think it's a binary choice between the two extremes is it?

I think didn't work as advertised is all that is needed for it to be not OK wouldn't you say?

calico_pie · 03-09-2013, 11:39

"isn't perfect" is not an extreme.

What has your experience of Siri been?

hungover · 03-09-2013, 11:40

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Originally Posted by flagpole

There is a huge difference.

Google kept GMail in beta up until they were ready to offer a paid service. The beta, as is often the case with google refers to the monetization. but from day one the service was reliable innovative and free.

Siri was kept in beta as a legal loop hole to prevent class action law suits because of it not working as advertised. which would have been fine if it was a genuine beta. but it wasn't it was in all their adverts. it was a selling point that didn't work.

thankyou for articulating my point.

It is also worth noting that google offer support for their beta products, unlike applecare. It beggers belief that apple don't offer support for a core part of their OS.

flagpole · 03-09-2013, 13:14

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

"isn't perfect" is not an extreme.

What has your experience of Siri been?

the same as everyone else's i'd imagine. it's awful.

calico_pie · 03-09-2013, 13:16

Oh, OK - I guess I was surprised you had an iPhone or iPad.

If it still isn't great, that might explain why its still considered a Beta.

tdenson · 03-09-2013, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

So i didn't at all

This is getting tiresome, but to quote again from dictionary.com

"A profanity is the improper use of a sacred or divine name to express strong usually negative emotions such as anger or fear"

tdenson · 03-09-2013, 13:24

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Originally Posted by flagpole

it was a selling point that didn't work.

Perhaps you could explain that to my phone, as I happen to use Siri every day, and rarely have a problem with it. Qualitatively I have far more serious problems with GMail.

02-09-2013, 22:12	#101
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole You think it's more news worthy on osx than on windows? The operating system that 90% of people use. I don't think he's saying it IS more newsworthy, but that mainstream news sites and, to a certain extent, tech sites, seem to give Apple some arguably undue prominence, both in terms of positive and negative stories. I'd agree that Windows would probably receive far more attention than OSX. Where I would tend to agree with CP's general point is on the mobile platform.

02-09-2013, 22:20	#102
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles I don't think he's saying it IS more newsworthy, but that mainstream news sites and, to a certain extent, tech sites, seem to give Apple some arguably undue prominence, both in terms of positive and negative stories. I'd agree that Windows would probably receive far more attention than OSX. Where I would tend to agree with CP's general point is on the mobile platform. I'd agree with that, but he did say osx. I also don't think iOS gets the attention for the same reason CP does. But simply because I'd so ubiquitous.

02-09-2013, 22:24	#103
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson dictionary.com definition of swear - "to use profane oaths or language". Now look back at your post, I don't want to repeat the word in the context in which you used it. I think you're referring to the phrase 'oh Christ'. Unfortunately you don't get to decide what language other people use.

02-09-2013, 23:17	#104
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole You think it's more news worthy on osx than on windows? The operating system that 90% of people use. That's not what I said. My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage. If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye.

02-09-2013, 23:21	#105
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie That's not what I said. My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage. If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye. You said it was more news worthy on osx than anything else. I'm saying that if it was windows this story would be everywhere. As it is it's barely been reported in the mainstream. And not really by much of the tech press.

02-09-2013, 23:41	#106
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I think you're referring to the phrase 'oh Christ'. Unfortunately you don't get to decide what language other people use. I was simply referring to the point that Stiggles said he didn't swear when dictionary.com says he did. No I can't stop him using any language he wants, but it was a polite request (I said "suggest") to ask him to refrain from using language that offends me. However, his willingness to offend people is unsurpassed on this forum.

02-09-2013, 23:54	#107
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole You said it was more news worthy on osx than anything else. I'm saying that if it was windows this story would be everywhere. As it is it's barely been reported in the mainstream. And not really by much of the tech press. No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy. I said It does seem* as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX*.

03-09-2013, 00:18	#108
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson dictionary.com definition of swear - "to use profane oaths or language". Now look back at your post, I don't want to repeat the word in the context in which you used it. So i didn't at all

03-09-2013, 00:25	#109
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson I was simply referring to the point that Stiggles said he didn't swear when dictionary.com says he did. No I can't stop him using any language he wants, but it was a polite request (I said "suggest") to ask him to refrain from using language that offends me. However, his willingness to offend people is unsurpassed on this forum. There was no swearing in that post at all. I however suggest that if 'oh christ' offends you because you are religious in any way shape or form (i'm not so it means nothing to me) you instead say, "do you mind not taking the lords name in vein as I'm religious" instead of coming out with nonsense like i was swearing which i clearly was not. You do have this strange ability (like a few others on here in your camp) to see things in posts that just are not there then claim to be offended as a way of diverting the subject....

03-09-2013, 00:26	#110
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy. I said It does seem* as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX*. So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media. Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here...

03-09-2013, 01:01	#111
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media. Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here... I don't know about that. Outside of the tech sites and blogs, minor bugs don't tend to get reported by the mainstream media. Hacks and exploits get a bit more attention, but even then it's not particularly prominent.

03-09-2013, 09:13	#112
hungover Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 144	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie That's not what I said. My point was that it seems as though because its Apple, it gets wholly disproportionate coverage. If this sort of thing happens on any other platform, no one would bat an eye. In terms of click baiting, Apple do get disproportionate coverage. Initially the articles were almost exclusively exercises in sycophancy by supposed technology journalists whom believed that the world started in 2007. Now Apple have become click bait. Read an article about the latest LG (or whatever) phone, and the editor will have littered the article with references to the iPhone. Increasingly the press are willing to cover negative stories about Apple, this story, one which could potentially have a bigger impact on the average punter than any other is strangely absent from the main stream press. The exception being the Guardian which covered the story after it had been mentioned in the comments section of a different story. Mentions in The Register? None. BBC? None. PC Advisor? None. It would be quicker to mention the outlets that have covered it. I can only imagine that there is some kind of unofficial press embargo. If the mainstream press cover this story then Apple owners will be inundated with the messages. Perhaps they are hoping that Apple will release a patch in the next few days. Not sure why they would assume that to be the case given that Apple have been aware of it for 6 months. Thus far the effects of the Unicode of death have been mitigated by the actions of FaceBook, websites and 3rd party twitter apps and not by Apple. Such treatment IS disproportionate. The press were happy to, for example, cover the 3d gun stories, knowing that doing so would lead to more people downloading the plans. Regardless, it is not the job of the press to supress stories. Should they have kept quiet about Syrian nerve gas attacks so that quiet "diplomatic" talks could take place behind the scene? (And no I am not directly equating the severity of the two stories).

03-09-2013, 09:18	#113
hungover Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 144	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles I don't know about that. Outside of the tech sites and blogs, minor bugs don't tend to get reported by the mainstream media. Hacks and exploits get a bit more attention, but even then it's not particularly prominent. The news worthiness of a story is often a function of the number of people that might potentially be affected by it. There are a gazillion iWhatever owners. Sounds newsworthy to me.

03-09-2013, 09:58	#114
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie No, I didn't say that it was more newsworthy. I said It does seem* as though this sort of thing is more newsworthy if its OSX*. Quite. I'm saying if this was a windows bug affecting 90% of the world's computer users it would get a lot more attention than it does in the fringe os that is OSX.

03-09-2013, 10:00	#115
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles So you did really. And no, its not. Any bugs in any OS gets reported in the mainstream media. Oddly this one hasn't so I'm not sure what your point even is here... No, I really didn't.

03-09-2013, 10:14	#116
jwball Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 1,233	Quote: Originally Posted by hungover just like siri then. Kept in beta longer than any other program i can think of, just to stave off class action cases of people complaining about it. Sorry, a tad off topic.. You've obviously never used gmail then.

03-09-2013, 10:34	#117
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by jwball You've obviously never used gmail then. There is a huge difference. Google kept GMail in beta up until they were ready to offer a paid service. The beta, as is often the case with google refers to the monetization. but from day one the service was reliable innovative and free. Siri was kept in beta as a legal loop hole to prevent class action law suits because of it not working as advertised. which would have been fine if it was a genuine beta. but it wasn't it was in all their adverts. it was a selling point that didn't work.

03-09-2013, 10:53	#118
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Doesn't work, or isn't perfect?

03-09-2013, 10:55	#119
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Doesn't work, or isn't perfect? i don't think it's a binary choice between the two extremes is it? I think didn't work as advertised is all that is needed for it to be not OK wouldn't you say?

03-09-2013, 11:39	#120
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	"isn't perfect" is not an extreme. What has your experience of Siri been?

03-09-2013, 11:40	#121
hungover Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 144	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole There is a huge difference. Google kept GMail in beta up until they were ready to offer a paid service. The beta, as is often the case with google refers to the monetization. but from day one the service was reliable innovative and free. Siri was kept in beta as a legal loop hole to prevent class action law suits because of it not working as advertised. which would have been fine if it was a genuine beta. but it wasn't it was in all their adverts. it was a selling point that didn't work. thankyou for articulating my point. It is also worth noting that google offer support for their beta products, unlike applecare. It beggers belief that apple don't offer support for a core part of their OS.

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03-09-2013, 13:14	#122
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie "isn't perfect" is not an extreme. What has your experience of Siri been? the same as everyone else's i'd imagine. it's awful.

03-09-2013, 13:16	#123
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Oh, OK - I guess I was surprised you had an iPhone or iPad. If it still isn't great, that might explain why its still considered a Beta.

03-09-2013, 13:20	#124
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles So i didn't at all This is getting tiresome, but to quote again from dictionary.com "A profanity is the improper use of a sacred or divine name to express strong usually negative emotions such as anger or fear"

03-09-2013, 13:24	#125
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole it was a selling point that didn't work. Perhaps you could explain that to my phone, as I happen to use Siri every day, and rarely have a problem with it. Qualitatively I have far more serious problems with GMail.