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flagpole
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Perhaps you could explain that to my phone, as I happen to use Siri every day, and rarely have a problem with it. Qualitatively I have far more serious problems with GMail.”

Of course you do.

Perhaps you could explain the issues you have with GMail. I may well be able to help.
tdenson
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“Of course you do.

Perhaps you could explain the issues you have with GMail. I may well be able to help.”

Well yes I do, whether you believe me or not (most days I go cycling and make extensive use of it in that context, other days I drive where I also use it). I also compose 95% of my text messages using voice recognition, which admittedly is not Siri - but is the part of Siri that tends to get mocked. On a decent length message I typically have to make one or at most two corrections.

As far as GMail is concerned, apart from the awful UI, and Google's propensity for changing it at a whim, my main concerns are its ability to send emails into a black hole. Quite often I send emails, they do not get delivered, I get no bounced error, and the recipient doesn't either (and it's not in spam). In fact I have about 4 people/organisations I deal with where this happens every time and I no longer use GMail to communicate with them, but use my Apple email.
Other times and this can be to any recipient, emails just get delayed by anything up to 24 hours. I don't get any of these problems with other email providers I use.

The only reason I stick with GMail is because I am locked into the Google ecosystem because I use Android and many other Googly things.
IslandNiles
03-09-2013
^^^

Interesting you should mention dictation. Oddly, I find the dictation function in Messages etc far, far more accurate than Siri. I know this shouldn't be the case at all, and they should use exactly the same processes, but it's not just my perception. I can say the same thing to dictation and to Siri, and Siri will be far more garbled or incorrect. I've tried it lots of times.
-GONZO-
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by IslandNiles:
“^^^

Interesting you should mention dictation. Oddly, I find the dictation function in Messages etc far, far more accurate than Siri. I know this shouldn't be the case at all, and they should use exactly the same processes, but it's not just my perception. I can say the same thing to dictation and to Siri, and Siri will be far more garbled or incorrect. I've tried it lots of times.”

Yes I've noticed this too.
tdenson
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by IslandNiles:
“^^^

Interesting you should mention dictation. Oddly, I find the dictation function in Messages etc far, far more accurate than Siri. I know this shouldn't be the case at all, and they should use exactly the same processes, but it's not just my perception. I can say the same thing to dictation and to Siri, and Siri will be far more garbled or incorrect. I've tried it lots of times.”

Hmmm, that's interesting, it sort of rings a bell with me, strange.
paulbrock
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“As far as GMail is concerned, apart from the awful UI, and Google's propensity for changing it at a whim, my main concerns are its ability to send emails into a black hole. Quite often I send emails, they do not get delivered, I get no bounced error, and the recipient doesn't either (and it's not in spam). In fact I have about 4 people/organisations I deal with where this happens every time and I no longer use GMail to communicate with them, but use my Apple email.
Other times and this can be to any recipient, emails just get delayed by anything up to 24 hours. I don't get any of these problems with other email providers I use.
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Most (if not all) of that, (and you recognise that it is certain recipients it happens with) is down to the receiver, not to the sender (or their software)
Stiggles
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“This is getting tiresome, but to quote again from dictionary.com

"A profanity is the improper use of a sacred or divine name to express strong usually negative emotions such as anger or fear"”

No, what is getting tiresome is your pathetic attempts to see something that isn't there. I'll post this again since you ignored it last time:-

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“There was no swearing in that post at all.

I however suggest that if 'oh christ' offends you because you are religious in any way shape or form (i'm not so it means nothing to me) you instead say, "do you mind not taking the lords name in vein as I'm religious" instead of coming out with nonsense like i was swearing which i clearly was not.

You do have this strange ability (like a few others on here in your camp) to see things in posts that just are not there then claim to be offended as a way of diverting the subject....”

calico_pie
03-09-2013
Swearing or not, its certainly a just plain rude display of condescending impatience.
Stiggles
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Swearing or not, its certainly a just plain rude display of condescending impatience.”

What? Saying oh christ? Don't be silly now!!....

Also that coming from you is hysterical
tdenson
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“No, what is getting tiresome is your pathetic attempts to see something that isn't there. I'll post this again since you ignored it last time:-”

It did read that, But you obviously didn't bother to read the dictionary definition which quite clearly states that one of the definitions of swearing is profanity.

Putting aside the semantics of definitions, I have to agree with Calico, you are just plain rude.
swordman
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“ I have to agree with Calico”

Never there's a first
calico_pie
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“What? Saying oh christ? Don't be silly now!!....

Also that coming from you is hysterical ”

Nothing silly about it - I can't think of any other tone in which anyone would say "oh Christ".

In the context, the meaning was perfectly clear - frustrated disbelief that someone could be such an idiot. Which only ever comes across as rude.
calico_pie
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Never there's a first ”

Actually, I don't think it is.
hungover
03-09-2013
With regard to swearing or not. If one uses a term that another finds offensive. Would it not be sufficient to accept that no offence on religious grounds was intended and then move om?
Stiggles
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Nothing silly about it - I can't think of any other tone in which anyone would say "oh Christ".

In the context, the meaning was perfectly clear - frustrated disbelief that someone could be such an idiot. Which only ever comes across as rude.”

Now you are just making stuff up for the sake of it which isn't unusual for you....

You do know different people from different areas say things without thinking there is anything wrong with it right? Here in Dundee and in many places in Scotland people say that all the time. We also say bloody a lot. Find that rude as well i suppose? We don't all talk the same you know!

Yes, i said it in disbelief, but to add on to it i think he is an idiot is bang out of order frankly. I may disagree with him over things, but he is not an idiot. Not even close.

I suggest you jump off your moral high horse and keep your daft opinions to yourself in future.
Stiggles
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by hungover:
“With regard to swearing or not. If one uses a term that another finds offensive. Would it not be sufficient to accept that no offence on religious grounds was intended and then move om?”

You would think so!!!

What i find odd is, if he found it offensive based on religion i would simply have apologised and indeed moved on.
calico_pie
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Now you are just making stuff up for the sake of it which isn't unusual for you....

You do know different people from different areas say things without thinking there is anything wrong with it right? Here in Dundee and in many places in Scotland people say that all the time. We also say bloody a lot. Find that rude as well i suppose? We don't all talk the same you know!

Yes, i said it in disbelief, but to add on to it i think he is an idiot is bang out of order frankly. I may disagree with him over things, but he is not an idiot. Not even close.

I suggest you jump off your moral high horse and keep your daft opinions to yourself in future.”

I don't think it was that daft - even if it wasn't what you meant, that was how it came across to me, and obviously to tdenson.

I'm sure you do say it a lot - in the name of regional slang, what do you mean when you say it, in that context?

As for my high horse, whether you meant it the way it was taken or not, it wouldn't have hurt to just apologise.

And now you're just being rude to me too, so I'll butt out now.
Stiggles
03-09-2013
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I don't think it was that daft - even if it wasn't what you meant, that was how it came across to me, and obviously to tdenson.

I'm sure you do say it a lot - in the name of regional slang, what do you mean when you say it, in that context?”

I can say it instead of "oh no!" etc.

Quote:
“As for my high horse, whether you meant it the way it was taken or not, it wouldn't have hurt to just apologise.”

As i have said, if he said it bother him for religious reasons then yes, i have already said i would apologise. If it isnt for that reason, there is no need to apologise.

Quote:
“And now you're just being rude to me too, so I'll butt out now.”

Oh what a surprise!!!

And you were not being rude by insinuating that i meant something else by what i said were you?
calico_pie
03-09-2013
A surprise? I think we both know what you meant. I could carry on if you like, but then you'll have a go at me for not dropping it, so I can't really win can I?
flagpole
04-09-2013
if anyone is interested in the details of what caused the bug there is a decompilation of the code here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09...f_death_crash/
tdenson
05-09-2013
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“As i have said, if he said it bother him for religious reasons then yes, i have already said i would apologise.”

And I accept your apology thank you. Let's move on.
paulbrock
05-09-2013
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“if anyone is interested in the details of what caused the bug there is a decompilation of the code here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09...f_death_crash/”

would be a third of the length if they binned all the decompilation stuff and just said which functioned passed which parameters...
hungover
05-09-2013
wow. Apple's are just so intuiutive...

Here is a "fix" for deleting offending emails from your Mac's mail app.

Remove the message from mailbox using a webmail interface (use firefox ,not Chrome or Safari as both of them use the CoreText library.
Perform a TimeMachine of the system.
from a terminal go to ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/ and remove the "Envelope\Index" (or move it to another location)
Launch the Mail.app , it will rebuild all the index of the mails (can take hours if you have a large mailbox)
in my calse Mail.app fails at the end , with a message of damaged index, but after launching again the program , (said "no " to the open windows message) I was able to use Mail.app again.

Kudos to francisco.monserrat

https://discussions.apple.com/messag...23456#22897555

What happens though if you only own an iphone and ipad (ie no PC)?
kidspud
05-09-2013
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“if anyone is interested in the details of what caused the bug there is a decompilation of the code here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09...f_death_crash/”

Does this mean it wasn't the security services
Stiggles
05-09-2013
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“And I accept your apology thank you. Let's move on.”

No problem. Let move on indeed

Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Does this mean it wasn't the security services”

Haha!
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