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Old 01-09-2013, 21:38
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I run a small business from home and this evening accidentally saved over a EXCEL2007 File.

I tried to recover the older version via Recuva from the day before but Windows seems to think its corrupt!

So I remembered the old Restore Previous Versions tab .... GONE!
No longer can you right click a file to get access to its previous version.http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx

FFS ! What do I do now.
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Old 01-09-2013, 21:41
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FFS ! What do I do now.
Load up the one from your backups...oh...
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Old 01-09-2013, 21:42
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1. Learn about the File History backup feature in Windows 8.
2. Roll your own backups as well as having the Windows' features.
3. Change your process, e.g. regularly creating new copies of files with different filenames (e.g. by adding dates or version numbers).
4. Breathe, pour yourself a drink, got to bed and have a fresh start to the week tomorrow morning.
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Old 01-09-2013, 21:58
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And ladies and gentlemen please open your bibles to backups 101 and we shall begin the readings......
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:12
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Nevertheless, good backup practice aside, it's another feature that some people clearly used occasionally and had got used to, which Microsoft in their arrogant wisdom they decided to remove without providing customers with any choice in the matter (i.e. an option).

Not good for customers, but Microsoft don't seem much to bother about such matters these days. O/P, I feel for you, in spite of your poor backup practice and Microsoft's feeble explanation on the page you linked to..
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:14
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Nevertheless, good backup practice aside, it's another feature that some people clearly used occasionally and had got used to, which Microsoft in their arrogant wisdom they decided to remove without providing customers with any choice in the matter (i.e. an option).

Not good for customers, but Microsoft don't seem much to bother about such matters these days.
The feature exists in the form of File History, it's the UI that has changed. Buyer beware...people shouldn't just assume that a new version of Windows is going to do things the same as the previous version...that has never been the case.
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:18
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The feature exists in the form of File History, it's the UI that has changed. Buyer beware...people shouldn't just assume that a new version of Windows is going to do things the same as the previous version...that has never been the case.
Any new version of any software product should clearly and prominently state before or during installation every useful (to some) feature that has been deprecated, removed or downgraded. Not in the small print but up front, writ large.

Microsoft did this, did they?
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:26
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Any new version of any software product should clearly and prominently state before or during installation every useful (to some) feature that has been deprecated, removed or downgraded. Not in the small print but up front, writ large.
You are having a laugh, surely?
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:38
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You are having a laugh, surely?
No but apparently, you are. Most consumers rightly expect new versions of their software to have improvements and added features. Inferior or removed features should always be prominently listed. If not, vendors shouldn't be surprised to find customers returning products as being mis-sold.
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Old 01-09-2013, 22:54
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No but apparently, you are. Most consumers rightly expect new versions of their software to have improvements and added features. Inferior or removed features should always be prominently listed. If not, vendors shouldn't be surprised to find customers returning products as being mis-sold.
And of course consumers would happily sit there and read a change-log before installing their software.

Your suggestion is ridiculous, I can't think of a single piece of software which does as you describe.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:00
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And of course consumers would happily sit there and read a change-log before installing their software.

Your suggestion is ridiculous, I can't think of a single piece of software which does as you describe.
Perhaps because updated versions usually contain only... improvements?

Not in the case of certain Microsoft products though, it would seem.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:51
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so there's nothing? - I cant believe previous versions has just been taken away!.

Trouble is it was a new file for August - hence no other backup! It was accidentally saved over with September.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:05
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This link may help you.

http://winhowto.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...-previous.html

To be clear, the shadow volume copy service is a feature of the NTFS file system and is still functional in Windows 8. It is the UI to access the copies made by the FS that has been removed. The link above suggests using ShadowExplorer to access these and explains how you can set up File History to use in the future.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:24
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This link may help you.

http://winhowto.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...-previous.html

To be clear, the shadow volume copy service is a feature of the NTFS file system and is still functional in Windows 8. It is the UI to access the copies made by the FS that has been removed. The link above suggests using ShadowExplorer to access these and explains how you can set up File History to use in the future.
thanks for this. I managed to get the feature but there are no previous versions of any file- even if its NTFS and a System Drive.

I guess I will have to recover as much data as possible and try and re-build the August list I was doing.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:28
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No but apparently, you are. Most consumers rightly expect new versions of their software to have improvements and added features. Inferior or removed features should always be prominently listed. If not, vendors shouldn't be surprised to find customers returning products as being mis-sold.
How exactly would it help consumers by listing all of the changes in new versions of windows? Do you really think that most people would have a clue what Address Space Layout Randomization is or how a Data Execution Prevention kernel update is going to change the way they use Windows?

If they had a screen to show each update during the install it would probably add an extra hour to the install time just to make room for all of the pages and just end up confusing the consumer even more.
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Old 02-09-2013, 13:14
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Trouble is it was a new file for August - hence no other backup! It was accidentally saved over with September.
Backup the old month before you start the new.
This happens regularly at work with files people start in the new year. They start with the old year one but don't rename it. In the good old days we could use the salvage utility on Netware.
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Old 02-09-2013, 13:37
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How exactly would it help consumers by listing all of the changes in new versions of windows? Do you really think that most people would have a clue what Address Space Layout Randomization is or how a Data Execution Prevention kernel update is going to change the way they use Windows?

If they had a screen to show each update during the install it would probably add an extra hour to the install time just to make room for all of the pages and just end up confusing the consumer even more.
You'd list the most important feature removals, in the same way that the most important feature improvements are prominently listed. The former should be much smaller than the latter yet they seem to manage that easily enough.

What's important? Well clearly, the removal of a front-end (Start Menus) would significantly affect the overall user experience and should be prominently noted "We have this wonderful new start screen system but have removed the old start menu system". As should the removal of easy access to a 'backup' feature that could result in some users un-knowingly losing data. Something that caused a virtual machine start-up to take 0.3 seconds longer than previously I wouldn't count as important in this context.

Technical users/large corporates would of course continue additionally to examine the change log.

This should apply to all software vendors of course, not just Microsoft. Consumer protection.
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Old 02-09-2013, 14:00
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Backup the old month before you start the new.
This happens regularly at work with files people start in the new year. They start with the old year one but don't rename it. In the good old days we could use the salvage utility on Netware.
Yep will remember that in future. Never did this before so its very annoying that a feature that could have helped out has been removed !

I hate Windows 8. It has got to be the worse OS since ME - mainly because of little pissy annoying things like this.


It takes ages to log in from cold boot too which Win7 never did + the fan always kicks in more = more CPU use.
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Old 02-09-2013, 15:37
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Yep will remember that in future. Never did this before so its very annoying that a feature that could have helped out has been removed !

I hate Windows 8. It has got to be the worse OS since ME - mainly because of little pissy annoying things like this.


It takes ages to log in from cold boot too which Win7 never did + the fan always kicks in more = more CPU use.
Just bought a new laptop with Win8 OS. Can't quite believe how bad it is. Surely at the beta testing stage all the problems would have been identified and corrected.

If I'm ever building a really important excel file I save a copy at the end of each day including the date within the filename. It's a live saver.
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Old 02-09-2013, 19:54
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I hate Windows 8. It has got to be the worse OS since ME - mainly because of little pissy annoying things like this.
Windows 8 is a steaming pile of dung. It makes Vista look like the Mac. W8 should be consigned to the tech scrapheap and MS should bring back Windows 7. Keep the cartoonish interface for tablets and phones and give desktop users a real OS rather than a dumbed-down thing that looks like Playskool for adults.
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Old 02-09-2013, 20:24
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Windows 8 is a steaming pile of dung. It makes Vista look like the Mac. W8 should be consigned to the tech scrapheap and MS should bring back Windows 7. Keep the cartoonish interface for tablets and phones and give desktop users a real OS rather than a dumbed-down thing that looks like Playskool for adults.
No...it's worse than that

Can't quite understand why when you close an application entered via a tile, Win8 dumps you on the desktop
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Old 02-09-2013, 22:09
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Windows 8 is a steaming pile of dung. It makes Vista look like the Mac. W8 should be consigned to the tech scrapheap and MS should bring back Windows 7. Keep the cartoonish interface for tablets and phones and give desktop users a real OS rather than a dumbed-down thing that looks like Playskool for adults.
Never have guessed you don't like it......Could you say it yet again for the terminally stupid....
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Old 02-09-2013, 22:24
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Can't quite understand why when you close an application entered via a tile, Win8 dumps you on the desktop
How do you mean?
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Old 02-09-2013, 22:27
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You'd list the most important feature removals, in the same way that the most important feature improvements are prominently listed. The former should be much smaller than the latter yet they seem to manage that easily enough.

What's important? Well clearly, the removal of a front-end (Start Menus) would significantly affect the overall user experience and should be prominently noted "We have this wonderful new start screen system but have removed the old start menu system". As should the removal of easy access to a 'backup' feature that could result in some users un-knowingly losing data. Something that caused a virtual machine start-up to take 0.3 seconds longer than previously I wouldn't count as important in this context.

Technical users/large corporates would of course continue additionally to examine the change log.

This should apply to all software vendors of course, not just Microsoft. Consumer protection.
Most important to who? What's important to you is probably not to me.

And this feature falls into it. I doubt 5% of Windows users know or care what it is.

I think it's sad if it has been removed, I suspect it's just been moved, renamed or put in a different sku.
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Old 02-09-2013, 22:49
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The only way I could make sense of what that poster wrote was if:

the "tile" was really a shortcut for a win32 desktop application. The application was opening maximised. When you close the maximised window, you are already in the desktop so you see the desktop wallpaper.
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