It wasn't just Len's rant but the disgusted look on his face and Bruno's and then Carrie Ann's blog that she was upset about the elimination.

I have not seen a lot of sympathy on twitter either mostly demanding him to step down, he should be ashamed, he doesn't belong there and people generally being livid including many former celebs on the show. The bloggers and tv critics are also having a go at him. Geeze, isn't this giving attention to the show? ABC must be loving it. It ain't pretty but that is the way it goes and I am sure Bill knows that. People get invested in their couples and start getting aggressive.

I saw a lot of people saying they are going to stop voting for him. If his fans pull him through next week then that has got to be one of the most powerful fanbases in the show's history.

I just read an interview that Bill thinks Jack will win and wants him to because he has come so far. I would love for that to happen also.

Yes Just finished watching and am very happy with the result.

Its true Bill was not at his best but he still tries to compete.

Liz has annoyed me throughout the series so really pleased she is out.


I wish we knew who the bottom two actually were as its not a given that Bill was in the bottom but it implies he was by making him stand there while Liz got the heave ho.


Jack an Bill an Leah for the final - I think it would be the best thing for DWTS if this could happen

Here are some afterbuzz interviews. Elizabeth by herself, Corbin and karina, Leah and Tony, Bill and Emma. I am searching for the Jack and Cheryl interview but I don't see it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/iamthejuan2

On the red carpet.

http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/video?id=9322166

Thank you so much for this bit of back story. I wasn't getting the "here's your sign" reference, nor was I seeing what was redneck about him when I checked out a routine on youtube. This makes it all clear. You're a star!

And, of course, all these people are ignoring the fact that Bill already tried to step down when Snooki was eliminated. They're all being incredibly nasty and malicious (and I include the judges in that, as they're supposed to be professionals) and it's completely wrong of them to blame Bill for the results of the public vote. They're all probably spoiling what should have been a great experience for Bill.

Thanks Anothermi. Also the definition of redneck as what is in the dictionary and what Jeff Foxworthy describes is a little bit different - his definition is "the glorious lack of sophistication" so a redneck could be from anywhere. He had his comedy routine with the line "you might be a redneck if" fill in the blank such as "you might be a redneck if you think the styrofoam cooler is the best invention ever" or "you might be a redneck if you think dom perignon is a mafia leader", thinks like that. Not really derogatory just poking fun at the simple folk. And Bill is by far the least redneck of 4 comedians who did that tour.

I am baffled why Bill uses the term but I think it is him saying he is not Hollywood and doesn't run with that crowd. His tv series The Bill Engvall show was a sitcom about a typical family and he said the husband was similar to himself and he based the family on his own personal life - the only difference was the job that he held. If you look a a clip on YT you can see there was absolutely nothing redneck about that tv family.

I can understand being angry at weakest dancer staying in because of a fan base. It has to be frustrating that people are voting for Bill. I complete get voting for dancing and I have that struggle myself. Do I vote for someone I don't like but who is the better dancer?

It is also telling that Elizabeth came into the competition very well known and she was promoted quite a bit in the beginning. So here is a great dancer, people know who she is and she was receiving a lot of press attention and yet she never built up a fan base as the season progressed. She had a small group but not what was needed and the comments I heard over and over was that she was not gelling with Val and people were not warming up to her.

I can see how it becomes frustrating but to me the one thing that levels the playing field for all celebs have is the ability to win over the public. Whether you have 2 hours of training or 20 years of training or you are a natural or not the approach they take to being in the competition week after week is right there for the public to see.

When people argue about the it's a popularity contest I am thinking for a celebrity why is it a bad thing for a celeb to be popular?? Talent does need to be there but I'd think as someone who makes a living in front of cameras that is part of a skill set and what can make the difference between a producer or casting director saying I want this celeb for next project. Isn't that ultimately why celebs do these shows - to show the public a side of themselves that can help their careers. Now if you were hiring them to dance only then I could see where only dancing skill would be looked at and there would not be the total package of personality, resilience, grit and the ability to handle the grueling weeks of training and peformance night and work with a partner.

There is my little sermon. . I will stop now.

Oh, I completely agree with you. What I object to is spewing bile at the contestants or even just making them feel guilty for still being in the competition when it's not their fault they're still there, it's the voting public's fault. No contestant should need to suffer that reaction from the public or the judges, whether their dancing is good, bad or indifferent.

Of course, I'd prefer to see great dancers but Bill tries hard and has a right to be in the competition for as long as he gets the votes. The only way to guarantee that all the not-so-good dancers are all eliminated before the better dancers, is to eliminate the public vote altogether and that's not going to happen because involving the public in that way is a large part of what the show's about.

Bill and Emma did an interview at KTLA which I will post later talking about the elimination.

There have been calls to change the voting system. Maybe only give the public 25% say and give judges 75% but then everyone would be mad at the judges for sure.

If America could just accept the idea of a genuine bottom 2 and dance off that also might be an answer.

But yeah, the social and news media are ripping him apart in every way and none of them really want to talk about is why people are not voting for the good dancers this season? Or feeling that it is rigged. Could be but I think it were actually rigged they would keep in the best to ensure an exciting final.

Okay, my posting limit has not run out.

Afterbuzz had Tony and Henry on it. The predict Amber or Bill going this week except for Henry.

Interesting comments about Elizabeth.

KTLA interview with Bill and Emma

http://ktla.com/2013/11/13/dancing-w...#axzz2kYG9AHW2

Just saw the latest Afterbuzz and guys - it's a stinker. Boring, bitter Tony is the guest. Although it's impressive how he manages to turn everything back onto himself, his general attitude is as unattractive as ever!

If it was getting desperate the producers could let the judges exactly what each couple needs to be scored in order to eliminate Bill next week. Which makes me wonder if the whole series is fixed and everyone is scored at a level so Bill remains.

Don't get me wrong; he could be getting enough votes to stay afloat whatever everyone else gets but current system is open to manipulation using the judges scores and I really hope it's dropped next season.

I don't think the judges' scores are manipulated or that the judges even know the voting results. If they had, Len wouldn't have given an 8 to Elizabeth, his favorite. Len made it clear by his comments that he didn't think Bill should remain. Not going to look up his exact quote but that's the gist of it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I thought the all 3 of the judges made it clear he should go. Perhaps their mistake was not giving 3 or 4 as Craig would have done to really send the message. I knew Len would make that speech and I was fully expecting it.

We will know this week if their message was strong enough.

After all the voters were voting on last's week's dance not this one. It was Liz's jazz that she insisted on doing her way that got her the boot, not Bill forcing her out. I saw tons of twitters that said they don't vote but were appalled that Elizabeth went out instead of Bill. DWTS voting is rigged folks.

And the numerous twitters that he is a coward and should voluntarily leave the show like a man and should be ashamed of himself for getting through. They must have missed the Snooki elimination. Let's hope they send enough messages that overcome that voting snafu while they twitter instead of vote. Not only should Bill be able to take control how he dances he should also take control of his voters and the outcome.

I agree with Fabulist all Tony wanted to talk about was how he and Leah should be in the finals and that she and Jack should be there defending Leah's lack of dance experience. But when he had Melissa he defended the fact that she had dance training. It depends what celeb he has where he goes with that argument. I did sense he is also tired of Bill and will be resentful if he makes it through next week.

And Val in his Good Morning America exit interview said "there is nobody to vote for now" because I guess Liz was the only worthy winner this year.

Wait a minute, tons of twitters said they didn't vote but were appalled Elizabeth got the boot instead of Bill and that means DWTS voting is rigged? It sounds just the opposite to me, that those who were motivated to vote did vote and those fans too lazy to vote but assumed their favorites would be safe were sadly mistaken.

To review Steve Wozniak's mea culpa when he accused DWTS of voting shenanigans, his apology is here.

And if the judges knew voting numbers before the show (which I'd bet good money they don't) Len surely wouldn't have given an 8 to his declared favorite, would he? He looked as dejected as I've ever seen him after Elizabeth and Val were declared out.

I doubt the show could fudge the numbers even if they wanted to. They have dozens and dozens of producers and assorted assistants, each with their own favorites--I remember one season an injudicious staff member encouraged people to vote for her faves--who didn't win.

Anyway, if there were even a hint of impropriety, it would take just one whistleblower to get the show cancelled. I believe the army of producers are mostly indifferent to who wins but care very much for their livelihoods.

I'm puzzled why Val wouldn't encourage his followers to vote for Leah and Tony. Aren't they familia? Haven't watched the latest Afterbuzz. But I can't see the judges giving Bill a 3 or 4. He wasn't Master P/Michael Bolton bad. The truth seems to be the judges' scores are bunched close enough together than the fan vote can bridge a minor gap.

I kinda can't see Bill winning, though I've learned the hard way not to hope or predict anything. Guess it will come down to the freestyles, as usual.

One suggestion that was made was to send the bottom of the leaderboard home each week throughout the season and then let the voters have a say when it gets to the semifinals. That way the judges would ensure only good dancers make it to the finals and the right celebs go home each week. All the voters who say it is fixed in favor of fanbases could stop complaining.

I actually would like that although I would probably lose interest and not tune in. But the show would always have the best dancers for the finals and not risk what has gone on this season. Any anger and vitriol could be directed towards the judges and not the remaining celebs who "don't deserve to be there." Len would get off twitter for sure.

I think Bill is going home next week because people will step up their voting for the others. Then the Amber and Corbin fans can fight it out.

If I were a producer I wouldn't do that, as Kate Gosselin said they credited her for the show's sky-high ratings early that season. If she'd been the first to go, so would many of her viewers. Same with Cloris Leachman, Bristol Palin and others who viewers brought back week after week.

If the worst dancer went home first, America would have been deprived of seeing the astronaut who first walked on the moon saved and an actress who scored much higher booted the first week. Apple fans would have been deprived of seeing Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak on the show four weeks in a row despite being the lowest scorer every week.

Heck, I enjoy seeing some of those more colorful personalities on the show even though I personally don't vote for them.

WIth YouTube at our fingertips on every computer and mobile device, we can see great dancing 24/7. Why not sign up some unexpected longshots and see who the public takes to? For a little while, anyway. Cloris Leachman didn't win, Bristol didn't win, and--I was going to make a joke here but will stop now.

One possible option is to have the public vote only between the four lowest scoring couples from the judges' vote. They could then drop that once they get down to six couples and have the public vote between everyone at that stage.

It's something they could do on Strictly as well, although as Strictly tends to have more couples, I would say on Strictly, it should be between the six lowest scoring until they get to ten couples, then lower it to the lowest four scoring until they get down to six couples, and then have the vote between everyone.

That could work for some. I would have zero interest in voting for anybody but my favorite. I really could care less who goes home before then.

This is the funniest thing. Hahaha. Leave it to Jimmy Kimmel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCnZ...XY&app=desktop

Maks will be judging in the semifinals. He is not replacing Len so there will 4 judges.

http://www.today.com/entertainment/m...als-2D11591786

That was excellently done!



I hope Maks doesn't take Elizabeth & Val's elimination out on Bill and he judges him fairly. Mind you, I hope Len doesn't take Elizabeth & Val's elimination out on Bill and he judges him fairly.

I notice the Maks was very quiet on twitter regarding Liz and Val especially the elimination. Maks thinks if he becomes a permanent judge the ratings will come back.

Another article and also a little info on what to expect Monday nite.

http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/a...-1118-20131114

Couple of good links there Lili, hadn't seen them, thanks.