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Season 17: general discussion
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Leicester_Hunk
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Karma Ardent:
“Unfortunately, it's not shown on any British channels, so it's a case of watching YouTube clips, as posted by fridgesoup up thread or cough other means not so legal.”

Bugger! It used to be on Sky Living or something didn't it?
Karma Ardent
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Leicester_Hunk:
“Bugger! It used to be on Sky Living or something didn't it?”

At one point in the distant past it was on the BBC, would like it to come back, but doubt that's ever going to happen.
Xarquol
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Aerick:
“I do not get why the changed the judges box to the other side. It looks quite odd and out of place. Moreso because we are used to seeing Tom standing to the right of the judges. But there must be some aesthetic reason. Anybody know?”

I would speculate that having decided to bench the couples next to the judges, there wasn't room to have them upstage, between the judges and (what's left of) the band, so they had to be downstage, closer to the viewers.

So why didn't they just do that, but keep the judges table on the traditional side? I think it's because they want to indulge Bruno. Now he has his own familiar live audience to play to, he's *really* playing up to them. Had they kept the judges table where it was, the couples would have been next Carrie Ann instead. He would have had less opportunity to do that, or worse, he'd have been playing to the couples across the other judges.
Mr_XcX
19-09-2013
LOL at Bill Nye becoming a youtube sensation. Hope it reaches 10 million by next week
Cadiva
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Leicester_Hunk:
“When is this on and on what channel? Just found the thread and want to watch! Ta.”

It airs on Monday nights so unless you can find a live stream, it's generally available on the "usual channels" by Tuesday morning.
valc_fan
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“LOL at Bill Nye becoming a youtube sensation. Hope it reaches 10 million by next week ”

That would be amazing. The harsher the judges are on him I think fans will just vote harder. He might be the Andy Dick of this season.

I agree with the Afterbuzz folks...I'm not sold on Tyne's choreo yet. He might have done better with a pro like Kym or Cheryl...who would whip him into shape. I don't think I saw a lot of cha cha content. The bits I did see wasn't done well.

I can't even begin to imagine Bill Nye in character for paso!
wazzyboy
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by Leicester_Hunk:
“Bugger! It used to be on Sky Living or something didn't it?”

It was on the Beeb for one season, ages after original broadcast. Then it was on Watch, about a week behind I think.
edy10
19-09-2013
Goodness me this is a new record in 17 seasons : 2:500.000 million of views in 3 days

Go Bill
Team HotKnowledge (thats their team name )
valc_fan
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Has this show lost the plot or what
Why Latin night so early ? Its only week 2
Dances like the foxtrot (hardest ballroom dance imo ), the samba (hardest latin dance ) should not be performed so early in the competition;Smh
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I don't get it either. Folks have to warm up to dances like the Rumba and Samba & Paso. I prefer seeing those dances later in the season (something to look forward to). I don't understand why they use up the "fun" dances now? Like who wants to see a cha cha in week 9???? BORING!

At this rate we'll be stuck with 7 waltz's in one night on week 8? Somebody get the producers a clue.

Maybe they have a special performer that is only available on Monday?
Dancefan8001
19-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Goodness me this is a new record in 17 seasons : 2:500.000 million of views in 3 days

Go Bill
Team HotKnowledge (thats their team name )
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It's up to 2.7 million now.

It will be interesting to see how long he survives. Here is how long some former fan favorites survived:

Survived 5 weeks as low scorer: Cloris Leachman, Michael Irvin
Survived 4 weeks as low scorer: Bristol Pain
Survived 3 weeks as low scorer: Billy Ray Cyrus, Clyde Drexler, Master P, Marie Osmond, Melissa Gilbert, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak
Survived 2 weeks as low scorer: Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, The Situation, Jerry Springer

I can't imagine he will last longer than Cloris or Michael Irvin did, but you never know.
memmh
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“ BIB See this is the problem with Elisabeth; She seems like a nice lady and you can tell she has dance experience, she is a good dancer but she is just so boring; By the end of the night, I couldn't remember her routine; And this is the same thing that I'm reading elsewhere at other Dwts forums; Her and Val's partnership ......I just dont get it yet; I don't think that they mesh well yet ; They are not memorable and this is dangerous in a very strong cast like this 1 where they are very dynamic partnerships already and strong personalities. She gives me Chyna Phillips vibe (One of Tony's celeb dancer who was good but was " shockingly " eliminated by week 4 I believe) ; I wont be surprised if she gets eliminated by week 5 tbh.”

Chyna Phillips wasn't eliminated because she was forgettable, nor was her elimination shocking. She was eliminated on the week she completely forgot her routine and didn't manage to bluff her way through, instead acting like a deer caught in the headlights. I felt sorry for her but her elimination that week was understandable.
edy10
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Chyna Phillips wasn't eliminated because she was forgettable, nor was her elimination shocking. She was eliminated on the week she completely forgot her routine and didn't manage to bluff her way through, instead acting like a deer caught in the headlights. I felt sorry for her but her elimination that week was understandable.”

Yah maybe I should have used another analogy (Audrina Patridge who was good but :yawn: is the best that I can find or Sabrina who couldn't connect with the audience) but the point that I was trying to make is that she is a great dancer but she is forgettable.So she needs to wake up if she wants to stand out in this competition.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is " shockingly " eliminated at one point during this season,
edy10
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“It's up to 2.7 million now.

It will be interesting to see how long he survives. Here is how long some former fan favorites survived:

Survived 5 weeks as low scorer: Cloris Leachman, Michael Irvin
Survived 4 weeks as low scorer: Bristol Pain
Survived 3 weeks as low scorer: Billy Ray Cyrus, Clyde Drexler, Master P, Marie Osmond, Melissa Gilbert, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak
Survived 2 weeks as low scorer: Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, The Situation, Jerry Springer

I can't imagine he will last longer than Cloris or Michael Irvin did, but you never know. ”

I really hope that he lasts a couple more weeks and knock some people out of the competition because of his popularity
He is entertaining, seems like he could actually improve plus I like his and Tyne's partnership
Dancefan8001
20-09-2013
Bill Nye now has more than 3 million YT views!

Now history has shown us YT views DO NOT always correlate to votes. Sometimes it gives a clue--for instance, while many if not most of Zendaya's dances got more views than Kellie's, Kellie's freestyle far outclipsed Zendaya's in views, typically 4 or 5 times as many views, depending on YT channel. That supports the idea that Kellie won it on the freestyle.

But all Shawn Johnson's videos have FAR more views than Melissa Rycroft's, 227,050 views for Shawn's Knightrider Banghra vs 7,016 views for Melissa's Caveman Hustle on one most-viewed channel. Freestyle, 60,416 vs. 12,394. Yet Shawn didn't win. Although it is true many people wanted to see someone win that hadn't won before, and you heard a ton of "Tony is due for a win" sentiment.

Sentiment is what will keep Bill Nye in the running for a while.

Here are the current views on one major YT channel of the Week 1 videos:

Bill Nye - 3,036,334
Amber - 342,082
Nicole - 65,554
Jack - 63,822
Corbin - 58,850
Leah - 50,783
Valerie - 41,430
Elizabeth - 38,613
Christina - 36,154
Brant - 18,369
Bill E - 16,193
Keyshawn - 11,583
edy10
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“Bill Nye now has more than 3 million YT views!

Now history has shown us YT views DO NOT always correlate to votes. Sometimes it gives a clue--for instance, while many if not most of Zendaya's dances got more views than Kellie's, Kellie's freestyle far outclipsed Zendaya's in views, typically 4 or 5 times as many views, depending on YT channel. That supports the idea that Kellie won it on the freestyle.

But all Shawn Johnson's videos have FAR more views than Melissa Rycroft's, 227,050 views for Shawn's Knightrider Banghra vs 7,016 views for Melissa's Caveman Hustle on one most-viewed channel. Freestyle, 60,416 vs. 12,394. Yet Shawn didn't win. Although it is true many people wanted to see someone win that hadn't won before, and you heard a ton of "Tony is due for a win" sentiment.

Sentiment is what will keep Bill Nye in the running for a while.

Here are the current views on one major YT channel of the Week 1 videos:

Bill Nye - 3,036,334
Amber - 342,082
Nicole - 65,554
Jack - 63,822
Corbin - 58,850
Leah - 50,783
Valerie - 41,430
Elizabeth - 38,613
Christina - 36,154
Brant - 18,369
Bill E - 16,193
Keyshawn - 11,583”

Fingers crossed that he stays in the competition even till week 6 or 7 .
I really want him to cause an upset (mean I know ) and for the public to continue to vote for him. Even though he is at the bottom of the leaderboard I am convinced that he is not going home next week .

It will probably be between Bill Engvall (shame as I like him and Emma but Im not sure that they have much of a fanbase ), Keyshawn or Leah but I think that Keyshawn will probably go home next week. This might be a first that a footballer is eliminated so early.

BIB Oh I don't doubt that the Freestyle helped it win for Kellie but it was also mostly because the ABC voting online system was suddenly down and the fact that they threw all online votes on the Finale .

Oh and another thing. Those views are interesting. I find it interesting that Elisabeth and Val were tied 2nd at the top of the leaderboard but yet they are below the middle of the leaderboard with the # of views. And at other dwts youtube channels they dont have that many views compared to those who scored lower than them which brings me to the fact again that they don't grab people attention yet like I keep saying. Good dancing but boring.

I am rooting for Corbin, Christina, Amber as my top 3 at least I know that Corbin will make it to the finale ; Amber to the semi at least and Christina not too sure.
And I like Brant, Snooki, the 2 Bills, and I have a soft spot for Jack. Oh and I absolutely love Valerie; I hope she can stay in the competition till midway at least.
Whats going on ? I like almost everyone this season lol.
Dancefan8001
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Fingers crossed that he stays in the competition even till week 6 or 7 .
I really want him to cause an upset (mean I know ) and for the public to continue to vote for him. Even though he is at the bottom of the leaderboard I am convinced that he is not going home next week .

It will probably be between Bill Engvall (shame as I like him and Emma but Im not sure that they have much of a fanbase ), Keyshawn or Leah but I think that Keyshawn will probably go home next week. This might be a first that a footballer is eliminated so early.

BIB Oh I don't doubt that the Freestyle helped it win for Kellie but it was also mostly because the ABC voting online system was suddenly down and the fact that they threw all online votes on the Finale .

Oh and another thing. Those views are interesting. I find it interesting that Elisabeth and Val were tied 2nd at the top of the leaderboard but yet they are below the middle of the leaderboard with the # of views. And at other dwts youtube channels they dont have that many views compared to those who scored lower than them which brings me to the fact again that they don't grab people attention yet like I keep saying. Good dancing but boring.

I am rooting for Corbin, Christina, Amber as my top 3 at least I know that Corbin will make it to the finale ; Amber to the semi at least and Christina not too sure.
And I like Brant, Snooki, the 2 Bills, and I have a soft spot for Jack. Oh and I absolutely love Valerie; I hope she can stay in the competition till midway at least.
Whats going on ? I like almost everyone this season lol.”

BIB - I agree with almost all your points except ABC voting being down affecting the win. Zendaya's strength has been especially Twitter--she won Prom Queen--but Twitter votes for the Freestyle Encore went to Kellie. Plus, don't forget, EVERY single online poll--even in the UK--predicted Kellie for the win based on her freestyle.

I have no problem saying Kellie would have won regardless. And I am usually careful not to say anything that can't be backed up.

As to this season, a lot of DWTS viewers don't care for contemporary, which Corbin, Elizabeth and Christina had. Their dances next week may get voters more excited about any one of these than is currently reflected in the YT views.

Agree about Keyshawn likely the one going home.
edy10
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“BIB - I agree with almost all your points except ABC voting being down affecting the win. Zendaya's strength has been especially Twitter--she won Prom Queen--but Twitter votes for the Freestyle Encore went to Kellie. Plus, don't forget, EVERY single online poll--even in the UK--predicted Kellie for the win based on her freestyle.

I have no problem saying Kellie would have won regardless. And I am usually careful not to say anything that can't be backed up.

As to this season, a lot of DWTS viewers don't care for contemporary, which Corbin, Elizabeth and Christina had. Their dances next week may get voters more excited about any one of these than is currently reflected in the YT views.

Agree about Keyshawn likely the one going home.”


BIB Let's agree to disagree because I definitely don't agree with you so lets not go there.

Oh yes unfortunately poor Keyshawn will probably go home next week. Shame as I like him and Sharna but he doesn't stand out and is not a good dancer . Plus they gave him the Samba , oh dear this is not going to be good.
Dancefan8001
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“ BIB Let's agree to disagree because I definitely don't agree with you so lets not go there.

Oh yes unfortunately poor Keyshawn will probably go home next week. Shame as I like him and Sharna but he doesn't stand out and is not a good dancer . Plus they gave him the Samba , oh dear this is not going to be good.”

We have tickets for Monday night so I'm glad we'll get a chance to see everybody before anyone is sent home. Haven't seen Sharna live yet so looking forward to that, and seeing how different the set looks from the last time we went. Too bad Sharna will be out so early. If not this week, then probably next week.
edy10
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“We have tickets for Monday night so I'm glad we'll get a chance to see everybody before anyone is sent home. Haven't seen Sharna live yet so looking forward to that, and seeing how different the set looks from the last time we went. Too bad Sharna will be out so early. If not this week, then probably next week.”

Sweet, How nice . Can you do a little recap of the show if you can ?
When I heard that Sharna was partnered with a football player I thought that she would go very far this season because most football players always do well in the show; even those who are average dancers manage to get at least get past halfway but Keyshawn may be the exception this season.
Dancefan8001
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Sweet, How nice . Can you do a little recap of the show if you can ?
When I heard that Sharna was partnered with a football player I thought that she would go very far this season because most football players always do well in the show; even those who are average dancers manage to get at least get past halfway but Keyshawn may be the exception this season.”

That would be unusual to see Sharna go home so quick partnered with an NFL player, since the lowest any NFL player placed on DWTS was Lawrence Taylor, who was eliminated 7th. He didn't even want to be there! He said he'd rather be golfing.

NFL star Michael Irvin wasn't much better but fans kept him in week after week despite being low scorer. He was finally eliminated 9th. Which is a LONG time to last.

Is there anything or anybody in particular you'd like me to look out for Monday night?
valc_fan
21-09-2013
Dancefan8001

[b]Is there anything or anybody in particular you'd like me to look out for Monday night?
_____

I'm curious about what happens during the commerical breaks and how each couple prepares to dance as thier "package" is playing. Now that the couples are on the floor it would be cool to see how they interact up close.

Have fun!
Dancefan8001
21-09-2013
Originally Posted by valc_fan:
“Dancefan8001

[b]Is there anything or anybody in particular you'd like me to look out for Monday night?
_____

I'm curious about what happens during the commerical breaks and how each couple prepares to dance as thier "package" is playing. Now that the couples are on the floor it would be cool to see how they interact up close.

Have fun!”

In the past they've given out a few T-shirts during commercial breaks. They sometimes have Q&A, asking who is from where and what does everyone do for a living. Derek took a white-haired lady in a wheelchair for a spin. A comedian warms up the audience before the show starts and they give the rules again and again.

They won't let you leave your seat if you're in an area where the camera could be on you. If you have to go to the bathroom you may have to wait until a commercial break. And even then the only facilities are outside portable toilets.

The people who check your tickets and control the audience entering might be producers. It's an extremely well-run process.

In Season 11, they had everyone stay after the end of the show so Anna and Derek could film spots for "A Day in the Life of" a dancer, if you remember that segment, following a dancer from the time the alarm rang until they went to bed at night.

A couple of weeks ago they sent an invitation to a new ABC show, a kind of comedy "View," that everyone who went to the upcoming taping of that show would get PREFERRED tickets to a DWTS taping on a date of their choice! No waiting in line, no lousy seats.

I really wanted to go to that but it was SO HOT outside that I didn't want to deal with it and let it pass.

This invitation is back to the normal, cattle-call waits. It's first-come, first-served so unless you're in line long before the 3 pm time stated on the ticket, you may not get in.

Worse, they told us to expect to climb a few sets of stairs and REMAIN STANDING almost the whole time! Except when we were told we could sit. That is new. In the past people had a choice when they would stand. So we're not taking the hubbies, just a few girls are going.

But we'll get to see everyone and check out the new set-up.
edy10
21-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“That would be unusual to see Sharna go home so quick partnered with an NFL player, since the lowest any NFL player placed on DWTS was Lawrence Taylor, who was eliminated 7th. He didn't even want to be there! He said he'd rather be golfing.

NFL star Michael Irvin wasn't much better but fans kept him in week after week despite being low scorer. He was finally eliminated 9th. Which is a LONG time to last.

Is there anything or anybody in particular you'd like me to look out for Monday night?”

Thank you
I want to know how some of the couples behave on the show; their interactions (who do you think really get along with e/o ), what is going during the commercial breaks....you know all that good stuff that only an insider can give us
I have noticed that Derek and Tony in particular never liked to be on the camera in the Celebraquarium; it just looked like they deliberately tried to avoid it but with the new format they wont have any other choices but to be seated on that sofa like naughty children who are punished (Im sure that some pros are not happy with this change ) so I want to know how they are behaving .

One of my friend's friend went to the finale last season and of course she did a long recap of what happened and its amazing to know what goes on behind the scenes that we dont see or know about ; we only see a glimpse of it.

So yeah pretty much anything you can remember and have an amazing time .

Oh and if you dont think that Keyshawn will leave next week who do you think that it will be ?
Dancefan8001
21-09-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Thank you
I want to know how some of the couples behave on the show; their interactions (who do you think really get along with e/o ), what is going during the commercial breaks....you know all that good stuff that only an insider can give us
I have noticed that Derek and Tony in particular never liked to be on the camera in the Celebraquarium; it just looked like they deliberately tried to avoid it but with the new format they wont have any other choices but to be seated on that sofa like naughty children who are punished (Im sure that some pros are not happy with this change ) so I want to know how they are behaving .

One of my friend's friend went to the finale last season and of course she did a long recap of what happened and its amazing to know what goes on behind the scenes that we dont see or know about ; we only see a glimpse of it.

So yeah pretty much anything you can remember and have an amazing time .

Oh and if you dont think that Keyshawn will leave next week who do you think that it will be ?”

That's great advice about watching the dancers on the red couch--or not on it--and how they interact. I'll be sure to do that.

Is the long recap of what happened at the finale available anywhere to read? Sounds like it would be fascinating to read it. If it's not available, that's okay too.

If Keyshawn doesn't go home, I'm guessing it might be Bill Engvall. Hope not, though, because I want to see more of Emma.
edy10
21-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dancefan8001:
“That's great advice about watching the dancers on the red couch--or not on it--and how they interact. I'll be sure to do that.

Is the long recap of what happened at the finale available anywhere to read? Sounds like it would be fascinating to read it. If it's not available, that's okay too.

If Keyshawn doesn't go home, I'm guessing it might be Bill Engvall. Hope not, though, because I want to see more of Emma.”

BIB Unfortunately not anymore.

And Thanks
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