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Old 04-09-2013, 18:15
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Hey there.

My laptop came with Windows 8 and has no sticker with the key in probably from what I understand that the key is embedded into the UEFI.

I burnt 2 recovery copies and put them away in a safe place, so when my hard drive died I replaced it and tried to install the CD however each batch of CD's fail on the 3rd DVD, on the Sony discs and the ASDA ones.

I don't know what to do as Toshiba want to charge, and if I was to just buy a copy of Windows would very expensive.

Anyone know any way I could get Windows back as I don't have much money.

Thank you.
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Old 04-09-2013, 18:20
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You have the fastest consumer broadband in the country and Sky+ HD x2 and an iPhone 5 but are claiming to be poor?
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Old 04-09-2013, 18:30
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You have the fastest consumer broadband in the country and Sky+ HD x2 and an iPhone 5 but are claiming to be poor?
Totally irrelevant and very rude of you to say that and I didn't say I was 'poor', I said I don't have much at this time being, plus, not that you would know snapping at me, but people in households share bills so they are manageable.

Plus there's nothing wrong in asking even to save money, back in the old days you could borrow a CD and use the key on the back of the laptop and have it working fine, now that doesn't appear to be possible.
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Old 04-09-2013, 18:39
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You have the fastest consumer broadband in the country and Sky+ HD x2 and an iPhone 5 but are claiming to be poor?
Man some people have their priorities all wrong these days.
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Old 04-09-2013, 19:23
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I presume it was a system image you made? Because a recovery disk would just be one DVD, and you mention 3?

Windows 8 still uses the same product key system as previously, so I'm surprised if they don't put it on a sticker on the machine? But I have no experience of UEFI sorry.
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Old 04-09-2013, 19:36
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I presume it was a system image you made? Because a recovery disk would just be one DVD, and you mention 3?

Windows 8 still uses the same product key system as previously, so I'm surprised if they don't put it on a sticker on the machine? But I have no experience of UEFI sorry.
Thank you - I presume the Recovery Media Creator just burns a clean install of the system out of the box along with the bloatware. And yeah to crack down on privacy OEM machines have the key embedded in the UEFI with just a "Genuine Windows 8" sticker where the product key would be.
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Old 04-09-2013, 21:47
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Thank you - I presume the Recovery Media Creator just burns a clean install of the system out of the box along with the bloatware. And yeah to crack down on privacy OEM machines have the key embedded in the UEFI with just a "Genuine Windows 8" sticker where the product key would be.
You are joking, when the hell did they start sticking the key into the UEFI? that is stupid and MS just wanting control .

I am so glad I don't buy OEM machines, not sure what I would do if I wanted another laptop
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Old 04-09-2013, 21:51
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I presume it was a system image you made? Because a recovery disk would just be one DVD, and you mention 3?

Windows 8 still uses the same product key system as previously, so I'm surprised if they don't put it on a sticker on the machine? But I have no experience of UEFI sorry.
No, it doesn't. At least not for OEM installs. You aren't supploed with a COA affixed to the computer with Windows 8.

The OP will need to obtain a Windows 8 disk that will work with the BIOS code to pre-activate the installation of Windows 8.
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Old 04-09-2013, 21:52
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You are joking, when the hell did they start sticking the key into the UEFI? that is stupid and MS just wanting control .

I am so glad I don't buy OEM machines, not sure what I would do if I wanted another laptop
OEMs have been activating OEM versions of Windows using SLIC codes in the BIOS for the last 10 years. Where have you been?
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Old 04-09-2013, 22:01
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OEMs have been activating OEM versions of Windows using SLIC codes in the BIOS for the last 10 years. Where have you been?
I have never come across it before. i suppose because most people I know don't use OEM machines unless they are laptops and then they normally go for the cheaper machines.

i am glad i have not come across it to be honest, horrid idea.
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Old 05-09-2013, 00:25
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OEMs have been activating OEM versions of Windows using SLIC codes in the BIOS for the last 10 years. Where have you been?
Windows 8 OEM machines have an extra ACPI table in the bios, called MSDM (Microsoft Digital Marker), in addition to SLIC.

MSDM contains the actual product key that was previously found on the COA sticker, and is used to determine which edition of Windows 8 the user is entitled to.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:04
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OP, since your key is embedded in the UEFI if you can get installation media for the same version of Windows 8 (Home or Pro) you can install from that. There are places you can download an iso or perhaps a (insane) friend bought a retail disc for Windows 8? The preview for 8.1 may even work, but i've no idea if you'll be able to upgrade to the final 8.1 from it.

You'd actually be better off doing it this way rather than using recovery media as you'll have a nice clean system at the end without all the crapware that manufacturers insist on installing.

I just had a similar experience trying to clean install on a Lenovo laptop. It was supplied with Win 7 Pro and had a recovery partition (stuffed with sluggish crapware) for that, but recovery discs for Win 8 Pro (also stuffed with crapware). Supposedly you can downgrade from Win 8 Pro to Win 7 Pro but the key i extracted from UEFI wouldn't work in Win 7. No doubt there's some other process to go through but i couldn't be bothered to spend any more time on it.

I didn't want to use the Win 8 Pro recovery media and have a crapware infested machine so i logged onto my sisters college free microsoft software store and downloaded the Win 8 Pro iso. Installed without a hitch and picked up and activated the key from UEFI no problem. And a clean Windows OS (even if it is Windows 8).

Still, i do hate having to deal with Windows. If the laptop were for me i'd have put Linux on there and been installed, updated and done within 30 minutes instead of wasting an afternoon dealing with Windows.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:18
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OP, since your key is embedded in the UEFI if you can get installation media for the same version of Windows 8 (Home or Pro) you can install from that. There are places you can download an iso or perhaps a (insane) friend bought a retail disc for Windows 8? The preview for 8.1 may even work, but i've no idea if you'll be able to upgrade to the final 8.1 from it.

You'd actually be better off doing it this way rather than using recovery media as you'll have a nice clean system at the end without all the crapware that manufacturers insist on installing.

I just had a similar experience trying to clean install on a Lenovo laptop. It was supplied with Win 7 Pro and had a recovery partition (stuffed with sluggish crapware) for that, but recovery discs for Win 8 Pro (also stuffed with crapware). Supposedly you can downgrade from Win 8 Pro to Win 7 Pro but the key i extracted from UEFI wouldn't work in Win 7. No doubt there's some other process to go through but i couldn't be bothered to spend any more time on it.

I didn't want to use the Win 8 Pro recovery media and have a crapware infested machine so i logged onto my sisters college free microsoft software store and downloaded the Win 8 Pro iso. Installed without a hitch and picked up and activated the key from UEFI no problem. And a clean Windows OS (even if it is Windows 8).

Still, i do hate having to deal with Windows. If the laptop were for me i'd have put Linux on there and been installed, updated and done within 30 minutes instead of wasting an afternoon dealing with Windows.
There are so many things wrong with this post!

Basically, you managed to activate Windows 8 using a Windows 7 UEFI key? I don't think so!

You have an unlicensed install using your sisters 'free college software' whatever that is...
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:27
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Basically, you managed to activate Windows 8 using a Windows 7 UEFI key? I don't think so!
Of course not, there are no Windows 7 UEFI keys. It's a feature that started just recently with Windows 8.

Lenovo ships laptops pre-installed with Windows 7 using their OEM keys because people hate Windows 8. But the UEFI comes with a Win 8 key and Lenovo provides recovery discs with Win 8 Pro.

You can choose which you want to run.

You have an unlicensed install using your sisters 'free college software' whatever that is...
My sister is on a programming college course. And since that college are full on Microsoft fanboys they provide an account at "OnTheHub" which lets you download Microsoft software and gives you the relevant product keys.

I used the Win 8 Pro iso file (which is neither licensed nor unlicensed, it's just installation media and works the same as the retail version) to install without entering any key. Win 8 Pro read the key from the UEFI and activated successfully and without problem.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:19
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There are so many things wrong with this post!

Basically, you managed to activate Windows 8 using a Windows 7 UEFI key? I don't think so!

You have an unlicensed install using your sisters 'free college software' whatever that is...
It helps if you know what the hell you're talking about before spouting off about unlicensed installs...
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Old 05-09-2013, 22:58
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My sister is on a programming college course. And since that college are full on Microsoft fanboys they provide an account at "OnTheHub" which lets you download Microsoft software and gives you the relevant product keys.

I used the Win 8 Pro iso file (which is neither licensed nor unlicensed, it's just installation media and works the same as the retail version) to install without entering any key. Win 8 Pro read the key from the UEFI and activated successfully and without problem.
If you read the terms and conditions, and the licence.. you'll see that it forbids anyone other than the student downloading/installing/using the software. In addition, it will say that the software must be uninstalled when the student ceases being a student.

I know this because I have access to the same student software.

I guess I can't really criticise anyone for obtaining software illegally because that'd make me a hypocrite.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:55
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If you read the terms and conditions, and the licence.. you'll see that it forbids anyone other than the student downloading/installing/using the software. In addition, it will say that the software must be uninstalled when the student ceases being a student.
I guess it could be argued that the licence for the use of the software is derived from the key used, since if a student downloaded and installed using the iso but didn't put a key in they wouldn't get full use of the software. Probably not a strong argument though.

I don't think Microsoft care about the source of the installation media so long so long as you have a valid key (their Win 7 Pro downgrade policy seems to suggest as much) and are not circumventing their activation policy.

As the laptop has a valid Win 8 Pro key in its UEFI the only thing i was circumventing was the installation of manufacturer crapware.
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Old 09-09-2013, 20:51
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I have never come across it before. i suppose because most people I know don't use OEM machines unless they are laptops and then they normally go for the cheaper machines.

i am glad i have not come across it to be honest, horrid idea.
Wrong again.

Most people you know DO use OEM machines, since almost all Windows machines come with Windows pre-lodaed.

And it's a great idea: You don't need a key, just the correct OEM disk, to reload your computer.
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Old 09-09-2013, 21:03
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Wrong again.

Most people you know DO use OEM machines, since almost all Windows machines come with Windows pre-lodaed.

And it's a great idea: You don't need a key, just the correct OEM disk, to reload your computer.
Since you do not know the people I know, who on earth can you say that most people I know uses a OEM machine?

when I say people I know, I mean close family, close friends, not someone I may chat to now and again. the reason is because most of the machines they have got I have built, so no OEM. so you are wrong.

some people, I don't know.
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Old 10-09-2013, 18:35
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Not quibling over any of the points raised, just thought I would add that I have been looking into this for the purpose of an MDT setup and picked up some interesting observations.

Disecting the Dell installation media you can actually see there are some additional batch files that run post install which copy a certificate file to the system32 directory then perform activation using what is presumably their "bulk" code - result is that as long as the relevent info is in the BIOS it will automatically activate even if offline. In the event that the data is not there, like if you were trying to load it onto a system that never shipped with that OS, Windows falls back on to a 3-day timeout and you will need to enter your own key - either a VLK or from the CoA sticker if present.

The above is also why you can use a Dell Windows installation disk to install the OS and not be prompted for a key at any point. If you had the need to, you could also use it on other brands of computer but would need to enter a valid key manually after installation.

This (IMO) is much better than the days of XP and prior whereby you had to use the specific media that corresponded with the key you wanted to use - ie. OEM/Retail/VLK wheras now its basically just making sure its the right edition - HomePrem/Pro/Ent/Ultimate etc.
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