No - not fair - you should counter the OP's position by saying why you disagree, not slate them for having a view.
And your post is full of moans.

Anyone who thinks that the summer series was the best ever can't be long term viewer of the show. It was better than the previous Civilian series on Five, but that's because they actually made an effort this time, it wasn't even comparable to the series of the golden era over on C4 however.

Many people on this forum (myself included)have watched from the very first series on 2000, we have seen how its changed and evolved and most of it not for the better. We are perfectly entitled to air our dislike of what Five have done to a show that we care about and have stuck by through thick and thin.

If you don't like that then maybe a discussion forum is not for you?

Jackie Stallone and John in his pants fighting in the kitchen, she was so smart to him with her putdowns..loved watching the two of them, but then the public voted her out like idiots.

I only watch the celeb BB I can't stand the normal one anymore as they are not normal people who have auditioned like back in the Ch4 days most of them have agents and have been involved in the business like Gina being an actress, that annoys me.
They need to get bigger celebs next time..give them more original tasks and stop favouring old bints that have probably slept with half of the producers at some stage.

Although I missed the 1st two series because I had not moved to the UK yet, I have watched since 2003 and as an informed viewer I am aware that Channel 5 do not produce the show they only air it. So although they are responsible for the time the shows air, they don't have any responsibility for the production of the show. Endemol are responsible for the production and always were even when Channel 4 aired it.

So those doing the daily editing are from Endemol not 5?

Totally agree! Oh my heavy heart when I think back to what it once was...

Your BIB drives me nuts - it's one thing people having different opinions, but regularly it seems many newer viewers just don't understand what the original concept was, and why some people take issue with the TOWIE-esque path the show has been treading for some years now.

Thankfully, I am self-employed and work from home which affords me time in which to reply to you And in any event, giving my work address isn't a requirement for watching BB or being a member of this forum.

For someone who dislikes 'moaners' you do a pretty darned good impression of a moaner, I have to say.

If my clients didn't like what I do and I was rubbish at my job, they wouldn't pay me (quite well I might add) and I would either have to improve my performance or be out of work. C5 Producers may wish to take note


What proof do you have that the ratings are up? They might well have gained some new viewers since the show changed channels but that doesn't mean that they have to completely disregard the views and opinions of all of the loyal viewers who followed the show to it's new home.

Dated? Old fashioned ideals? What would YOU call playing DR noms over the plasma, secret rooms and fake evictions? I think you're contradicting yourself there because this is hardly ground-breaking innovation is it?


Thankfully, I don't have to because it isn't my job to do so. What I would expect though, is for those who do have that responsibility to be creative and original. You obviously consider that to be too difficult to achieve, so you shouldn't work there either.


Sadly, you'll never get your wish as the thought of you cancelling one of their cash cows would have them handing you your P45 faster than you can shout 'STFU! The only person around here who is allowed to be bitter, angry and moan, is ME!'

I have mixed feelings on this one as I do agree

But if they do F2F then I think they should have to nominate in the DR first then after be told they have to nominate F2F and nom the same person and give the same reason if they don't their nom will be shown anyway

I can see what you're saying but with the threat of their noms being made public hanging over them, we're never going to get any of that great DR action that we've come to love

I do not agree with what you said but im not going to throw a cheap insult your way...Im going to try to do a counterpoint with a couple of my own chucked in.


Ive enjoyed this series of Celebrity Big Brother...I NEVER for the life of me understand why people would like "Big Name" celebrities to appear in the list, it makes no sense to me. If you look at it logically...

- "Big Name Celebrities" are frequenting the headlines whether on TV, Newspaper or Internet and they rely on their "Media Persona". They are too aware of what it is and will usually go to any lengths to protect it. You are more than likely going to see their version of what they think they are rather than them actual selves.

- "Zelebs" as people like to call them are more likely to offer REALITY TV gold. Because they have either slipped out of the spotlight or they just flat out don't care about what they percieve. Some of them are still very arrogant too so because they are not protecting their characters its fun to watch some of them come crashing down to earth


Carol was put in the room because she lost a vote to Mario, even if she was "Put in" the secret room, as annoying as she is, she is good TV. She is very abrupt with people and creates talking points naturally. Its the old saying "Controversy Creates Cash" and Carol is a walking bag of controversy.

It's similar to with Speidi, they just want someone centre stage who will create controversy, I don't think they want nor do they care if she wins. They all get paid their agreed amount never the less, their just trying to create a good TV show.

Nominations have been "Messed around with" in formats for years. When they kept the nominations normal...everyone broke the rules talking about them so they killed two birds with one stone...They pre-empted the Nom's Talk (For the most part) by occasionally playing them publically or letting people know who nominated who...it also creates controversy and tension within the house.

I do agree to an extent about the DR being sacred, but for me the main golden DR room moments don't come during nominations. So outside of the noms yes I do agree id prefer them to be kept quiet but nom's being revealed isn't a big deal. This past series of BB & CBB most people would have complained of it being boring if BB did not interject the drama.

The visits are not the best thing in the world but I can defintely see why the HM's would appreciate it. As long as their not giving information about the outside world then I don't see the issue. They have done "Letters" from home for years and when they happen it refreshes everybody and perks them up so they are not usually miserable or moping about. As far as Body Language experts and Rylan going in...I just thought that was a funny addition to the task of the remote control.

As for new twists, yes it would be great...Id love new twists . What is "New" anymore though. Big Brother has been going since 2000, what haven't they done (that's possible" that is completely unique anymore. Practically everything would have a hint of something they had done in the past.

Rule Breakers I will agree with you on. I think the punishments should be more severe...no disagreements there from me ...It is getting a bit ridicilous now that nobody is afraid of breaking the rules anymore...Nasty Nick was ejected for basically strategic game playing.

There are always some people who will want to leave through the back door, every series someone wants to leave. It's going to be an intense environment and people might not know they can take it until they get in there...Some on the other hand will say they want to go so that if they do leave to boo's they have covered their own back...its a self preservation of ego thing

Like you I have watched the show since the start and am a huge fan...there are always things that can be improved but Big Brother is not a "Social Experiment" anymore...it very much is a game show. It needs to evolve with the times...Its now about more than just seeing what strangers are like living together...everyone thinks that they know how to play the game...All BB need to do is change the Game.

All in all, I loved it when Channel 5 saved Big Brother (Yes of course for their own benefit ) but either way they picked up a show that saw more than its fair share of bad headlines and controversy and they kept a show that I love alive. I will probably always watch BB till it is eventually cancelled . Other than CSI I never really watched Channel 5 but now I pay them a lot more attention and I am greatful to them for paying Big Brother the attention that Channel 4 lacked in its latter Channel 4 years

I also say thanks to the production team, as a viewer you frustrate me like hell sometimes but doing

14 Civilian Big Brothers
12 Celebrity Big Brothers
1 Celebrity Hijack
1 Teen Big Brother
1 BB Panto

Is nothing short of damn impressive. To still keep going with a show I love for this long I will always be willing to see their good points through any bad...just keep making gold

There's been a lot of discssion about Carol getting special treatment from BB, but it was the HOUSEMATES to chose to "evict" her. Presumably, had they chosen to evict Mario instead he'd be the one getting this special treatment.

I think people are too ready to accuse the producers of choosing ONE housemate to receive special treatment. Apart from this latest task where she was singled out with Lauren and Mario, when else has Carol been given any special treatment? If anything, it's Lauren getting the special treatment as she's been specifically chosen for the secret room twice!

and stop doing "pretend evictions! - YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.

if you persist in doing them (and please don't) you're going to have to show the entire eviction (including interview) to the house, that may go some way towards convincing the hms they have actually gone.

Great post

Made an interesting read whilst I had my elevenses

Well said!I love BB and I have watched it from very early on
it is become very predictable and,dare I say, boring! How many times are they going to rollout the 'secret room' before they realise, that it just isnt a secret anymore

I also have a big problem with the bias that the production team seem to show certain HMs and how they mess with things so that it works in the 'chosen HMs' favour

I wish they would go back to the original format, back to basics I say

Well *sniff* when you put it like that! I apologise for complaining Ive just had flashbacks of the end of the last channel 4 show I would be VERY upset if it were to go off air again, so Im going to shut up!

LOL snickypoo

I don't think there's anything wrong at all with finding the odd fault with something you really love and enjoy, and pointing that out

Some companies spend a small fortune on obtaining opinions about their product, by using focus groups and suchlike, but the BB Producers can come in here and get all these (mostly valid) opinions for free!

Absolute bargain, I reckon

Great post OP! Sums it all up nicely!

Phew! Thanks for that! I don't feel quite so much of a moany old bat now!

Sad, but true.
Great post OP.

Great thread, some really interesting points made.

I do enjoy it still, but the program certainly has lost some of it's originality, sadly.

Great post, you make some really good points.

The most important for me being bib, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Long live BB, in whichever incarnation

Big name celebrities are indeed unlikely to do anything to tarnish the brand. I understand that. We reached a kind of nadir with Latoya Jackson only agreeing to do the show if she could have a private en-suite with no cameras. But rtv contestants have a problem at least as bad if not worse: they HAVE to maintain their marketable persona, even more than an a-lister would. Just think of the dreadful Amy Childs wittering on to screaming point about vajazzling; she obviously had to keep shoving that in because she saw it as her USP and was hoping to make further money from it. Or the deeply uncomfortable (imo) attempt by Ch 5 to use Speidi's persona to dominate the last BB. If we want people who are just 'themselves' and not watching every word, I think we need to cast the net wider, whereas Ch 5 seem to be casting it more narrowly. Ch 4 gave us unexpected oddities like Germaine Greer, George Galloway, Ken Russell. Now, if you took out the scripted reality people, the loose women, the soap actors and the models there would be hardly anyone left. We seem to have settled for smaller celebrities without gaining any verisimilitude at all.



I think it is a wrong track to go down, but I think I am witnessing that battle being lost. Just look at the way the forum goes on and on and on about people 'not doing anything' because they have not been CHOSEN BY THE PRODUCERS to do stuff. We have no idea what the non-Rylan-and-Speidi housemates did; they seemed to agree that they had had a good time; they criticised Speidi for not joining in with any of the fun; but we never saw any of that fun or knew what games they were refusing to join in with. Ch 5 seem to be willing to jettison everything except flirting and fighting. Those of us who actually used to enjoy watching the housemates doing their inane everyday activities and inventing fun for themselves are being squeezed out of the process completely.


I don't think they care if Carol wins, no. I don't think they expect her to win. But they do very much seem to want her to be seen. Maybe it's because they think she makes for a good show; maybe it's because they have plans for her, and clearly none for the ones they never show us.


It might be harder to think of new things, but they do seem to have had a run of failure. The prisoners twist was quite good imo: it worked well and created drama that they played what the prisoners had been saying to the others as well as the other way round. But keeping Carol for the extra day was just pointless. It just seems to have created distaste rather than amusement or excitement. And a lot of recent twists have been half-arsed and poor. The Cult of Celebrity was just dull. The Queen Bee task was exploitative and managed to be both unpleasant and tedious. The Safe House started off interesting then (in Sam and Sophie's week) became almost wilfully awful. And let's not even get started on the White Room, which was promoted for WEEKS. These are media professionals in one of the most competitive fields in the country; surely they can do some fresher thinking than they seem to be doing.



I'm hanging in, but as an uber-fan it is not a certainty. I missed the whole CBB with Julian Clary (then had to read lots of people saying it was the best ever, dammit) and really disconnected during the last three weeks of BB14. The Speidi and Rylan CBB was just SO bad, with only ever showing those housemates and scenes concerning them.

Yes, but it's not just 'singling out' in that sense. It is the literal invisibility of some of the housemates. If they are quiet and pleasant people by nature, BB should make sure they are included in some of the drama, not just miss them out of the edit. To me (and I realize this is the second time in one post I have referred to me) the Sam and Sophie week in the safe house showed something fundamentally rotten about the series. They did not even try to hide the fact that the only purpose of the safe house that week was to get them up for eviction when they were annoyingly not being nominated. Just look at the amount of trouble they went to to create endless drama for Gina and Dexter; and Sam and Sophie got the right, which they didn't want, to sleep separately; a spaghetti dinner on a tray; and being up for eviction. That was all. I am sure I am not alone in saying that I really would like to have seen how they dealt with being given big secrets, being told to set tasks etc. Not just how they dealt with being put in a separate room, clearly visible to the others.

Great post. Well saId.

I would agree with another poster that the horrible eating tasks have no place in the show. Please. No more of them on BB / CBB.

This CBB seems too much like a replay of this year's BB. The production team seems to have settled on a preferred formula, using the same techniques in both: false evictions; twists of secret house; playing to the housemates what has been said about them by other housemates in nominations or otherwise; face to face nominations; visits from family; revolting tasks; selecting one housemate for prominent roles and / or favoured treatment; featuring primarily one or two big storylines, preferably controversial, such as a love interest or a fierce rivalry while ignoring much else and several other housemates.

Its a funny world when we get posts moaning about people moaning