If I may be allowed to add one comment to this thread, it's that it's been refreshing to read something that hasn't descended into a slanging match, despite woeking on totally opposing grounds at times.
There's been precious little of that over the past month.

I don't like Channel 5 programming as a rule but I certainly agree with that poster. The Big Brother we have just had (Dexter etc) was the best in years. I am also now thoroughly enjoying the Celeb version albeit after a slow start.

I would agree with the OP that there is too much outside influence now. The hm's should have no idea how the public perceives them as it tends to affect their behavior. I don't think for example that Emma should be revealing who has the most votes to save.

However openly laughing at a poster's view is imho unnecessary and rude. Everyone is entitled to their own view and i agreed with that particular one.

One can be sensible...and then descend into boring.
It's a slippery slope

Do't worry about that - I'm at the bottom pretending to catch everyone

Oh I have been tempted Dave - trust me!

Thanks for giving me the points to talk about


So you should do


Thanks

I can't abide the overuse of putting selected housemates into "secret" rooms to allow them to spy on all the others for a period with the intention of sending them back into the mix to "kick off" over what they've seen and heard.

It is, any way you shape it, the exact format of the Jeremy Kyle Show.

If that's what BB aspires to be now, I'm out.

I agree with the OP in a lot of what was said. I think the problem is that a lot of these twists are probably thought up by the vacuous production assistants that are a blight on our society (okay slightly exaggerating there but they are very annoying, all enthusiasm and surface and no real talent). Either that or one or two top dudes with a lack of self awareness at how crap their ideas are and a load of sycophantic brown-nosers telling them how great all their ideas are.

They did a themed BB this year - Secrets and Lies - why not go with this as a theme = Total Exclusion From Real World: no baying crowds at evictions letting HMs know who is popular and who isn't, no contact from outside world at all, no visitors either. Evictees leave through the diary room or a similar door not to an audible crowd (in BB Aus they do this, but then again the crowds are nicer in that one too not the morons you get in this country).

Then that would leave it open to the biggest twist and best use of a secret house yet - an entire secret BB house where all of the evictees go to be in a kind of purgatory where at the end one or a few of them get voted back in. This house wouldn't get the same amount of coverage obviously or you'd have to watch it on LF or similar.

Only a major change like that can refresh BB really.

Oh and the ppl who think of the tasks and twists really need to have an exchange programme with BB Aus their's are so much better.

Did anyone notice that when Carol back in all shouty shouty and smug she couldn't contain something? ...'im telling you don't be surprised if theres face to face noms very soon'..or words very similar...and when did even 'secret room's HMs get to see in the DR..? I thought it strange that they should see Courtney refusing to put on boiler suit in DR..did.they see anyone else in thier,if not why show this?

Haven't they gone back to college?...if so id post this on twitter instead.

putting Carol Lauren and Mario in the secret room stopped the momentum of the group who'd formed alliances and enemies - and was unnecessary - Putting Carol in for an extra night, was verging on the ridiculous.

At least they could have put the least shown HMs in there ie. Abz, Dustin and more recently Vicky or Bruce - unless they have confined space issues ! Lauren had already been in there once, what was the point of putting her in there AGAIN ! Why even do the secret room after for a second time in same series. Perhaps the production should be plyed with alcohol instead to see what they come up with.

What's happened to this year's task team ? have they got the interns in ?

Thank you everyone

I don't understand it either. It's not only repetitious it's not even bringing the desired result, ie some kind of house divide and a bit of drama.

I think the HMs are as bored to tears with these secret rooms/pretendy evictions as we are

I think the producers have gone on holiday and left the keys with the cleaner.

LOL

I agree with a lot in your post and in wonkeydonley's long one, but I'll just comment about a couple of things.

Re rules, I suspect the BB producers regard them as a nuisance and sometimes as an opportunity to create "drama", and not as things that should be properly enforced.

When Phil Edgar Jones was posting here (search for posts from pej), he thought there might be too many rules and said they were taking a more lenient approach to the rules during bb11 because otherwise too much time would be devoted to warnings and punishments.

It didn't seem he'd considered that properly enforcing the rules might stop HMs from breaking them nearly so often.

The other thing I think stops BB from properly and consistently enforcing the rules is fear of "another bb4". What if the HMs who were "providing the entertainment" were the rule breakers? What if they were evicted or had to be thrown out?

In bb14, Dexter once broke the rules about discussing nominations while he was in 'gaol' for breaking those rules. Rather than give him a more serious punishment, the producers did nothing.


Re celebs wanting to get out -- For years and years, many HMs have said it's often very boring in the house. They can't do many of the things they'd normally do to help pass the time. Many topics of conversation become exhausted.

Charlotte's one of the livelier HMs in there this time, and she's not been making noise about wanting to go, but she still said she found CBB much harder than Geordie Shore because it was so boring.

Tasks can help, but BB doesn't do enough tasks like the BB5 Boot Camp that keep HMs doing things throughout the day for several days. Most of the tasks now seem designed just to give them enough material for the highights.

But a bigger problem is the selection of housemates. BB doesn't seem to give any thought to whether HMs will find each other interesting or fun to be with. Throw in a bunch of HMs who are actively unpleasant, and maybe some "drama" will result, but it's not going to help HMs enjoy being there.