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Old 05-09-2013, 21:37
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Does anyone know where they are going with this? Can Amy ask for her baby back after two years or so ?? I'm wondering whether Joanie will allow her contact when she finds out who Amy is.
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Old 05-09-2013, 22:17
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If she's anything like her mam, the kid will be on eBay shortly, £49-99 Buy-it-Now (or best offer).
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Old 05-09-2013, 22:43
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But she isn't like her mum, she will be great with a kid, but would it ruin her character I don't know.
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Old 05-09-2013, 23:21
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Does anyone know where they are going with this? Can Amy ask for her baby back after two years or so ?? I'm wondering whether Joanie will allow her contact when she finds out who Amy is.
My guess is initially no! The way Joanie sounded tonight was that she has no time or love for Amy and thinks she's a cheap slag for giving up her kid who is the world to her and was to her daughter! A lot of bitterness was displayed by Joanie the fact that her daughter had to go down the route of adoption after years of painful fertility treatment, but where as some girl who dosnt can conceive naturally with ease!

Amy cant ask for the kid back, she really has no right to as she gave him away! Her big obstacle right now that she needs to deal with is this ever growing feeling of love she that has for Kyle, after all that scene at the end when she cried that 'I held my little boy' spoke volumes! It's now got to the stage where she is convincing herself that she is Kyle's legal mother and nobody is gonna tell her any different!

Victoria was laying it all on the table tonight the way it actually is, but Amy continues to play with fire and lie to those close to her because she feels its the right thing to do, which it really isnt!

End of the day Joanie will find out go through Amy for lying and given up Kyle etc, someone like Kerry or Val will have a word and Joanie and Amy will go back to being mates! Whatever happens after that is the dilemma and how Cain will fit into the whole shabang!
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:36
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Joanie and her daughter both sounded ridiculously judgemental. Not everyone puts their child up for adoption because they don't want them. Amy thought she was doing the right thing. Personally, I think it's a shame Amy has no legal rights now. The people who adopted him are no longer around. She should have some access.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:07
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The woman in charge of the nursery should have rung the police when she first noticed Amy acting suspiciously in the nursery without a baby. this is how children get abducted. I find it a very stupid and annoying storyline.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:50
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Joanie and her daughter both sounded ridiculously judgemental. Not everyone puts their child up for adoption because they don't want them. Amy thought she was doing the right thing. Personally, I think it's a shame Amy has no legal rights now. The people who adopted him are no longer around. She should have some access.
From an adoptee point of view. I don't know what rights Amy would have because she would have signed the papers to give the baby up and everything would have been legalised. In today's climate the law for adoption is much different as is was years before and the birth mother is entitled to be involved in the child's life but to a certain extent I don't know if it goes as far as contact.
I think Amy is playing a dangerous game but I think she has let it go so far now she can't let it go and is coming across as being too suspicious and I think it will not be much longer until Joanie catches on. I thought when Amy offered to hold the little boy for Joanie she was going to run off but thankfully she didn't well for now she hasn't
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:33
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The woman in charge of the nursery should have rung the police when she first noticed Amy acting suspiciously in the nursery without a baby. this is how children get abducted. I find it a very stupid and annoying storyline.
I like the storyline, but that was a bit unbelievable - hanging about one day, and then turning up with a child the next. You've to be so vigilant when you work with kids these days. Surely Amy couldn't just turn up with a child either? She would have had to book a place - it wasn't just a shopper's creche.

Otherwise, I think she would be best to leave Kyle alone, hard though it must be for her. She gave him up for a good reason, he'll have bonded with Joanie and maybe other members of her family, and he's already had such a lot of disruption. I hope she doesn't try to fight Joanie for custody or anything, because she won't have a leg to stand on and it will cause nothing but distress for everyone.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:14
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How again did she even know the family name of the abdopters ?

She is going to be sussed out too many lies I would go is to the Police. They could visit Amy and make an official but nice warning to her that she must not contact her son again in anyway herself.

She could talk to social services, but I think the crux of the matter is she gave the kid up, she was of sound mind, offer advice help and consoluring but in the end signed the form.

The main problem with this SL is that its not about whats good for the kid, its about what Amy wants, much like how if Marlon hadnt of been a selfish git and let his son move to New Zealand Rhona wouldnt be in a mess and his kid wouldnt be at risk of being homeless because the business failed.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:19
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How again did she even know the family name of the abdopters ?

She is going to be sussed out too many lies I would go is to the Police. They could visit Amy and make an official but nice warning to her that she must not contact her son again in anyway herself.

She could talk to social services, but I think the crux of the matter is she gave the kid up, she was of sound mind, offer advice help and consoluring but in the end signed the form.

The main problem with this SL is that its not about whats good for the kid, its about what Amy wants, much like how if Marlon hadnt of been a selfish git and let his son move to New Zealand Rhona wouldnt be in a mess and his kid wouldnt be at risk of being homeless because the business failed.
It must have been an open adoption, which would have allowed her limited contact with the parents.Val mentioned something about sending him christmas cards, a wee while back. I'm a bit troubled about the slant it's taking at the moment as well. Although in the long run I think Amy will think more of Kyle's best interests than her own.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:38
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I wonder if this turns in to a kidnap plot.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:43
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cheers Glen for the info
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:47
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I wonder if this turns in to a kidnap plot.
God, I hope not!
cheers Glen for the info
Nae probs, I don't know how accurate it is, but you hear about this 'open adoption' stuff from time to time.
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Old 06-09-2013, 13:16
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The woman in charge of the nursery should have rung the police when she first noticed Amy acting suspiciously in the nursery without a baby. this is how children get abducted. I find it a very stupid and annoying storyline.
I was thinking the same thing. She looked like she was up to something. It's not just men who kidnap kids.
I like the storyline, but that was a bit unbelievable - hanging about one day, and then turning up with a child the next. You've to be so vigilant when you work with kids these days. Surely Amy couldn't just turn up with a child either? She would have had to book a place - it wasn't just a shopper's creche.

Otherwise, I think she would be best to leave Kyle alone, hard though it must be for her. She gave him up for a good reason, he'll have bonded with Joanie and maybe other members of her family, and he's already had such a lot of disruption. I hope she doesn't try to fight Joanie for custody or anything, because she won't have a leg to stand on and it will cause nothing but distress for everyone.
I agree. BIB She has been acting so suspiciously.
From an adoptee point of view. I don't know what rights Amy would have because she would have signed the papers to give the baby up and everything would have been legalised. In today's climate the law for adoption is much different as is was years before and the birth mother is entitled to be involved in the child's life but to a certain extent I don't know if it goes as far as contact.
I think Amy is playing a dangerous game but I think she has let it go so far now she can't let it go and is coming across as being too suspicious and I think it will not be much longer until Joanie catches on. I thought when Amy offered to hold the little boy for Joanie she was going to run off but thankfully she didn't well for now she hasn't
BIB I think the birth mother is allowed to send letters and cards via Social Services but I also think they are not given the names or address of the adoptive parents. I've never heard of open adoption and have never been involved with adoption so I'm not sure how it all works. As for Amy she's likely to trip herself up with Joanie with all the lies she's been telling. Joanie is bound to become suspicious and will ban Amy from seeing Kyle. Mind you eventually she's likely to move to the village of Emmerdale and will let Amy see Kyle in the end as this is soapland .
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Old 06-09-2013, 13:19
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I was thinking the same thing. She looked like she was up to something. It's not just men who kidnap kids.

I agree. BIB She has been acting so suspiciously.


BIB I think the birth mother is allowed to send letters and cards via Social Services but I also think they are not given the names or address of the adoptive parents. I've never heard of open adoption and have never been involved with adoption so I'm not sure how it all works. As for Amy she's likely to trip herself up with Joanie with all the lies she's been telling. Joanie is bound to become suspicious and will ban Amy from seeing Kyle. Mind you eventually she's likely to move to the village of Emmerdale and will let Amy see Kyle in the end as this is soapland .
She'll get a good deal on a house if she moves just now
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Old 06-09-2013, 13:26
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Here's what Wikipedia has to say on open adoption, but bearing in mind it's Wikipedia so it might all be wrong
'allows identifying information to be communicated between adoptive and biological parents and, perhaps, interaction between kin and the adopted person. Rarely, it is the outgrowth of laws that maintain an adoptee's right to unaltered birth certificates and/or adoption records, but such access is not universal (it is possible in a few jurisdictions—including the UK and six states in the United States).[70][70][71][72][73] Open adoption can be an informal arrangement subject to termination by adoptive parents who have sole authority over the child. In some jurisdictions, the biological and adoptive parents may enter into a legally enforceable and binding agreement concerning visitation, exchange of information, or other interaction regarding the child.[74] As of February 2009, 24 U.S. states allowed legally enforceable open adoption contract agreements to be included in the adoption finalization.[75]'
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Old 06-09-2013, 13:46
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It seemed to be more of a mother and toddler group than a nursery. I know here you can just pop into toddler groups with you child. They take your name and phone number, but you don't need loads of details.
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Old 06-09-2013, 15:32
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Amy will buckle to Joanie, pour out her feelings of being in care herself etc and will explain how she thought Kyle would have had a better life without her. Joanie will warm towards Amy, and allow Amy to be part of Kyle's life -Kyle is young enough to grow up accepting Amy as his mammy, which would absolutely be the best thing for him - Joanie is too old to care for him full time for years.

Or it could go the other way with Amy fighting for custody. This would be absolutely horrible for Joanie.

What this will do to Cain is an interesting thought too.
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Old 07-09-2013, 00:26
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It seemed as if Joanie knew about what Amy did when she first gave birth too? She referred to how Kyle's been through enough after his mum dumped him, did that mean that she knew about Amy leaving him in the phone box after assuming he'd died? If so, then surely she wouldn't be allowed to know personal stuff about the biological mother and her reasons for placing the child up for adoption?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:48
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It seemed as if Joanie knew about what Amy did when she first gave birth too? She referred to how Kyle's been through enough after his mum dumped him, did that mean that she knew about Amy leaving him in the phone box after assuming he'd died? If so, then surely she wouldn't be allowed to know personal stuff about the biological mother and her reasons for placing the child up for adoption?
I think by "dumped him" she meant gave him up. She seemed to have bitter feelings towards women who give babies up for adoption just because her daughter could not concieve.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:10
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I think by "dumped him" she meant gave him up. She seemed to have bitter feelings towards women who give babies up for adoption just because her daughter could not concieve.
I think she's bound to have negative feelings about Kyle's birth mum though. she's just lost her own precious daughter, who struggled so hard to have a child, and then barely had him any time before she died. She loves Kyle, and it must break her heart to know that he was given up by one mum and has lost another. Maybe she'll be a bit more understanding when she hears Amy's story
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:28
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I'm guessing that something will be wrong with Joanne and she will be dying in the not so distant future and sign guardianship over to Amy. A rehash of the storyline with Sonia, Martin and Rebecca from EE.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:22
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If she's anything like her mam, the kid will be on eBay shortly, £49-99 Buy-it-Now (or best offer).
LOL!!
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:31
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I'm guessing that something will be wrong with Joanne and she will be dying in the not so distant future and sign guardianship over to Amy. A rehash of the storyline with Sonia, Martin and Rebecca from EE.
I always knew it was the same storyline, but I didn't realise it how very close it was to EE.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:03
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I kinda like the story inasmuch as it is tying up some loose ends. Debbie was adopted, her parents died, she ends up back in her original family. Looks the same coming up for Kyle.

It's Dingle Law...
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