Oh give it a rest. I'm sure MM got the message days ago.
Hope you all feel better with your long term strategies .....
Honestly.
Hope you all feel better with your long term strategies .....
Honestly.
Thankyou
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I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.
Originally Posted by orangebird:
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
What are you doing then?
Originally Posted by orangebird:
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
I donate monthly by direct debit to Cats Protection and I have also bequeathed them a significant sum in my will. I adopted or 'rescued' 2 of my cats from Cats Protection (as fully formed adults, not cute kittens). I know some posters here volunteer at their local cat shelters - if I didn't have a full time job the that would be something I would be interested in doing too.
One person can only do so much. I work full time to pay my way in life and to provide a comfortable lifestyle for myself, my family and my 3 cats who are spoilt as cats should be. My taxes contribute to those people who don't work, who rely on benefits and who perhaps have a lot more time on their hands to more actively pursue their cat obsession. However, just collecting cat after cat is not, in my opinion, a sensible long term approach, if anything it suggests deep rooted psychological issues (there is certainly an element of paranoia in thinking the whole village consists of cat killers) - and it is certainly not in the cats best interests to be cooped up together without any prospect of re-homing to a more suitable environment.
Two of the local catteries I use are owned and managed by 2 very committed and dedicated ladies who also sideline in cat rescue. The fees they receive from their private cat boarding fund the shelter, care and subsequent re-homing of these cats. Yes, they rely on donations too - I have given them extra money for my boarding and donated scratching posts, food that my own cats don't like (from those variety boxes - I now buy individual sachets) etc. The difference is that these ladies are registered and regularly inspected and they strive to get their cats re-homed - even their feral and semi-feral rescues, as I have said, to local farms or to people happy to provide some outdoor shelter and food. One of the ladies also provides a safety back-up for Cats Protection for when they run out of foster homes - that is how I met her when I adopted my two.
Nobody is questioning Maisie's kind heart and good intentions but I don't believe we should be encouraging her in her cat collecting, I think it is important to be realistic and there are other more appropriate ways for people to help cats in need.
Personally I would rather donate to someone like MM who is making an immediate impact, CPL is like all the other "big" charities - how much of your monthly donation is actually going to the cause???... Maisey is on the ground level and whether or not you agree with what she does, she does it because she cares and because she wants to help.
By the sounds of it things have gotten a little out of control, Maisey has already said she is trying to find better ways to manage so the constant criticism seems a tad harsh.
The phrase "damned if you do, damned if you don't" feels very apt here.
By the sounds of it things have gotten a little out of control, Maisey has already said she is trying to find better ways to manage so the constant criticism seems a tad harsh.
The phrase "damned if you do, damned if you don't" feels very apt here.
Originally Posted by sweetpeanut:
“What are you doing then?”
“What are you doing then?”
I currently live in saudi with my two (rescued) UK cats, and a compound cat that we've adopted since we've been here. I also have approximately 11 compound cats in my garden which I feed every day - most of them are too young to be neutered but as soon as they can be they will be neutered and vaccinated out of my own pocket. To add to that, I also have 3 inpatients - 1 approximate 3 month old kitten that is part of the garden family but was close to dying of a virus.
Next is a 3 week old kitten that someone 'found' near the hairdressers a couple of weeks ago which they asked me to look after until its big enough to go outside.
The third is a 4 day old kitten which was abandoned (umbilical and birth sac still attached) outside the compound vets office on a Friday. As you may or may not know, no muslim works on a Friday out here.. So that is now with me and I am syringe feeding every two hours day and night.
I did have a fourth kitten which sadly died on my lap whilst we were on the way to the vets yesterday morning. Will that do?
Originally Posted by RAINBOWGIRL22:
“Personally I would rather donate to someone like MM who is making an immediate impact, CPL is like all the other "big" charities - how much of your monthly donation is actually going to the cause???... Maisey is on the ground level and whether or not you agree with what she does, she does it because she cares and because she wants to help.
By the sounds of it things have gotten a little out of control, Maisey has already said she is trying to find better ways to manage so the constant criticism seems a tad harsh.
The phrase "damned if you do, damned if you don't" feels very apt here.”
“Personally I would rather donate to someone like MM who is making an immediate impact, CPL is like all the other "big" charities - how much of your monthly donation is actually going to the cause???... Maisey is on the ground level and whether or not you agree with what she does, she does it because she cares and because she wants to help.
By the sounds of it things have gotten a little out of control, Maisey has already said she is trying to find better ways to manage so the constant criticism seems a tad harsh.
The phrase "damned if you do, damned if you don't" feels very apt here.”
I am with you there if you look at the "directors" salaries of the big charities like the RSPCA you might choke on your breakfast.
Originally Posted by MarellaK:
“I donate monthly by direct debit to Cats Protection and I have also bequeathed them a significant sum in my will. I adopted or 'rescued' 2 of my cats from Cats Protection (as fully formed adults, not cute kittens). I know some posters here volunteer at their local cat shelters - if I didn't have a full time job the that would be something I would be interested in doing too.
One person can only do so much. I work full time to pay my way in life and to provide a comfortable lifestyle for myself, my family and my 3 cats who are spoilt as cats should be. My taxes contribute to those people who don't work, who rely on benefits and who perhaps have a lot more time on their hands to more actively pursue their cat obsession. However, just collecting cat after cat is not, in my opinion, a sensible long term approach, if anything it suggests deep rooted psychological issues (there is certainly an element of paranoia in thinking the whole village consists of cat killers) - and it is certainly not in the cats best interests to be cooped up together without any prospect of re-homing to a more suitable environment.
Two of the local catteries I use are owned and managed by 2 very committed and dedicated ladies who also sideline in cat rescue. The fees they receive from their private cat boarding fund the shelter, care and subsequent re-homing of these cats. Yes, they rely on donations too - I have given them extra money for my boarding and donated scratching posts, food that my own cats don't like (from those variety boxes - I now buy individual sachets) etc. The difference is that these ladies are registered and regularly inspected and they strive to get their cats re-homed - even their feral and semi-feral rescues, as I have said, to local farms or to people happy to provide some outdoor shelter and food. One of the ladies also provides a safety back-up for Cats Protection for when they run out of foster homes - that is how I met her when I adopted my two.
Nobody is questioning Maisie's kind heart and good intentions but I don't believe we should be encouraging her in her cat collecting, I think it is important to be realistic and there are other more appropriate ways for people to help cats in need.”
“I donate monthly by direct debit to Cats Protection and I have also bequeathed them a significant sum in my will. I adopted or 'rescued' 2 of my cats from Cats Protection (as fully formed adults, not cute kittens). I know some posters here volunteer at their local cat shelters - if I didn't have a full time job the that would be something I would be interested in doing too.
One person can only do so much. I work full time to pay my way in life and to provide a comfortable lifestyle for myself, my family and my 3 cats who are spoilt as cats should be. My taxes contribute to those people who don't work, who rely on benefits and who perhaps have a lot more time on their hands to more actively pursue their cat obsession. However, just collecting cat after cat is not, in my opinion, a sensible long term approach, if anything it suggests deep rooted psychological issues (there is certainly an element of paranoia in thinking the whole village consists of cat killers) - and it is certainly not in the cats best interests to be cooped up together without any prospect of re-homing to a more suitable environment.
Two of the local catteries I use are owned and managed by 2 very committed and dedicated ladies who also sideline in cat rescue. The fees they receive from their private cat boarding fund the shelter, care and subsequent re-homing of these cats. Yes, they rely on donations too - I have given them extra money for my boarding and donated scratching posts, food that my own cats don't like (from those variety boxes - I now buy individual sachets) etc. The difference is that these ladies are registered and regularly inspected and they strive to get their cats re-homed - even their feral and semi-feral rescues, as I have said, to local farms or to people happy to provide some outdoor shelter and food. One of the ladies also provides a safety back-up for Cats Protection for when they run out of foster homes - that is how I met her when I adopted my two.
Nobody is questioning Maisie's kind heart and good intentions but I don't believe we should be encouraging her in her cat collecting, I think it is important to be realistic and there are other more appropriate ways for people to help cats in need.”
With all respect it's easy to throw money at something, adopt a cat and feel you are doing your bit - which of course you are. But in no way can you comment on what MM is doing. Rescuing (or hoarding as you seem to think) these cats isn't always a sign of some deep seated psychological issue. Maybe Maisie is out of her depths but some people, regardless of being up to capacity, just do not have the heart to say no.
If you know so much about what she should be doing, rather than keep writing your condescending emails about what a useless fruit loop Maisey is, write a long term strategy plan for her. You sure seem to know enough.
Originally Posted by orangebird:
“I currently live in saudi with my two (rescued) UK cats, a compound cat that we've adopted since we've been here. I also have approximately 11 compound cats in my garden which I feed every day - most of them are too young to be neutered but as soon as they can be they will be neutered and vaccinated out of my own pocket. To add to that, I also have 3 inpatients - 1 approximate 3 month old kitten that is part of the garden family but was close to dying of a virus.
Next is a 3 week old kitten that someone 'found' near the hairdressers a couple of weeks ago which they asked me to loom after until its big enough to go outside.
The third is a 4 day old kitten which was abandoned (umbilical and birth sac still attached) outside the compound vets office on a Friday. As you may or may not know, no muslim works on a Friday. So that is now with me and I am syringe feeding every two hours day and night.
I did have a fourth kitten which sadly died on my lap whilst we were on the way to the vets yesterday morning. Will that do?”
“I currently live in saudi with my two (rescued) UK cats, a compound cat that we've adopted since we've been here. I also have approximately 11 compound cats in my garden which I feed every day - most of them are too young to be neutered but as soon as they can be they will be neutered and vaccinated out of my own pocket. To add to that, I also have 3 inpatients - 1 approximate 3 month old kitten that is part of the garden family but was close to dying of a virus.
Next is a 3 week old kitten that someone 'found' near the hairdressers a couple of weeks ago which they asked me to loom after until its big enough to go outside.
The third is a 4 day old kitten which was abandoned (umbilical and birth sac still attached) outside the compound vets office on a Friday. As you may or may not know, no muslim works on a Friday. So that is now with me and I am syringe feeding every two hours day and night.
I did have a fourth kitten which sadly died on my lap whilst we were on the way to the vets yesterday morning. Will that do?”
Yes that will do just fine.
I have looked after many strays in my life and give to cats rescue and the local cat re-homing centre.
So we are now allowed to say what we think?
I do hope Masie that you really are thinking about re-homing now and looking for people who have time to tame ferals down with a view to keeping them as a family pet.
Yes you do a wonderful thing but it now needs to go to the next step.
Originally Posted by orangebird:
“With all respect it's easy to throw money at something, adopt a cat and feel you are doing your bit - which of course you are. But in no way can you comment on what MM is doing. Rescuing (or hoarding as you seem to think) these cats isn't always a sign of some deep seated psychological issue. Maybe Maisie is out of her depths but some people, regardless of being up to capacity, just do not have the heart to say no.
If you know so much about what she should be doing, rather than keep writing your condescending emails about what a useless fruit loop Maisey is, write a long term strategy plan for her. You sure seem to know enough.”
“With all respect it's easy to throw money at something, adopt a cat and feel you are doing your bit - which of course you are. But in no way can you comment on what MM is doing. Rescuing (or hoarding as you seem to think) these cats isn't always a sign of some deep seated psychological issue. Maybe Maisie is out of her depths but some people, regardless of being up to capacity, just do not have the heart to say no.
If you know so much about what she should be doing, rather than keep writing your condescending emails about what a useless fruit loop Maisey is, write a long term strategy plan for her. You sure seem to know enough.”
I am sorry if I come across as condescending. However, you consistently come across as rude and hostile to posters who may have a different opinion to your own. This is a discussion forum where people should feel free to express their honest views.
The term ''fruit-loop'' is not in my vocabulary and I find it an incredibly derogatory and offensive way of describing somebody with possible mental health issues. Maisie has previously posted about an incredibly traumatic event that happened in her life which anybody would have difficulties coming to terms with and would likely have long-lasting psychological effects. Cat hoarding is a recognised phenomenon which can fill voids in people's lives - but we should be encouraging Maisie to have a more normal and balanced life. Without help or support from other assistants, when does Maisie ever get a break from the cats to fulfil her other needs?
As for ''throwing money'' at rescue shelters, isn't that what Maisie is asking for? I choose to throw my money at regulated rescues where I know cats are well looked after and eventually re-homed. I personally have had brilliant experiences with Cats Protection and I don't care if my money is eaten up in their admin costs rather than going directly to the cats. CP has admin costs because they are regulated and do a brilliant job so my money is going to a worthy cause. My 2 cats from CP were in superb condition even though they had waited nearly a year in rescue.
For those of you who would rather give help, money and support to someone who keeps 35 cats in a standard size house, then that's your choice, just as it's my personal choice to express a different opinion on what is, after all, a discussion forum. I'm not sure if the cats are that happy with the situation - it reminds me of the lyrics of 'Hotel California' - the cats can visit but they can never leave!
I am kind of one the fence here I do think Maisey has the best of intentions, however I don't think 35 cats in one house is appropriate.
My aunt has 14 cats a big house, a large fenced garden and pens she can use if necessary but all her cats are house cats and go where they please. It is extremely hard work making sure litter trays, feed bowls etc are cleaned all the time, grooming and feeding takes time. Not to mention the spraying (all are neutered) but when you have a lot of cats living together spraying and scent marking can be quite a lot. So on top of caring for the cats you have to maintain a certain level of cleanliness in the area. She is up at 5am every morning then goes to work and is still grooming her cats at 11pm at night, they're her life.
However I could not imagine doubling that care and attention, not too mention the work it takes with feral cats and being able to do it all with one person to a satisfactory level. So I do think Maisey needs to look at the long term, get homes for these cats and not take any more in as hard as that may be, then limit the number she can help at one time.
The hardest thing to come to terms with when involved in rescuing animals if you do not have the money is you cannot help them all!
As a society it is disgusting what we have done to animals by breeding them repeatedly to line our pockets and anything even one person does makes a difference but it shouldn't take over your life where you get to the stage you are overwhelmed
My aunt has 14 cats a big house, a large fenced garden and pens she can use if necessary but all her cats are house cats and go where they please. It is extremely hard work making sure litter trays, feed bowls etc are cleaned all the time, grooming and feeding takes time. Not to mention the spraying (all are neutered) but when you have a lot of cats living together spraying and scent marking can be quite a lot. So on top of caring for the cats you have to maintain a certain level of cleanliness in the area. She is up at 5am every morning then goes to work and is still grooming her cats at 11pm at night, they're her life.
However I could not imagine doubling that care and attention, not too mention the work it takes with feral cats and being able to do it all with one person to a satisfactory level. So I do think Maisey needs to look at the long term, get homes for these cats and not take any more in as hard as that may be, then limit the number she can help at one time.
The hardest thing to come to terms with when involved in rescuing animals if you do not have the money is you cannot help them all!
As a society it is disgusting what we have done to animals by breeding them repeatedly to line our pockets and anything even one person does makes a difference but it shouldn't take over your life where you get to the stage you are overwhelmed
Originally Posted by MarellaK:
“I am sorry if I come across as condescending. However, you consistently come across as rude and hostile to posters who may have a different opinion to your own. This is a discussion forum where people should feel free to express their honest views.
The term ''fruit-loop'' is not in my vocabulary and I find it an incredibly derogatory and offensive way of describing somebody with possible mental health issues. Maisie has previously posted about an incredibly traumatic event that happened in her life which anybody would have difficulties coming to terms with and would likely have long-lasting psychological effects. Cat hoarding is a recognised phenomenon which can fill voids in people's lives - but we should be encouraging Maisie to have a more normal and balanced life. Without help or support from other assistants, when does Maisie ever get a break from the cats to fulfil her other needs?
As for ''throwing money'' at rescue shelters, isn't that what Maisie is asking for? I choose to throw my money at regulated rescues where I know cats are well looked after and eventually re-homed. I personally have had brilliant experiences with Cats Protection and I don't care if my money is eaten up in their admin costs rather than going directly to the cats. CP has admin costs because they are regulated and do a brilliant job so my money is going to a worthy cause. My 2 cats from CP were in superb condition even though they had waited nearly a year in rescue.
For those of you who would rather give help, money and support to someone who keeps 35 cats in a standard size house, then that's your choice, just as it's my personal choice to express a different opinion on what is, after all, a discussion forum. I'm not sure if the cats are that happy with the situation - it reminds me of the lyrics of 'Hotel California' - the cats can visit but they can never leave!”
“I am sorry if I come across as condescending. However, you consistently come across as rude and hostile to posters who may have a different opinion to your own. This is a discussion forum where people should feel free to express their honest views.
The term ''fruit-loop'' is not in my vocabulary and I find it an incredibly derogatory and offensive way of describing somebody with possible mental health issues. Maisie has previously posted about an incredibly traumatic event that happened in her life which anybody would have difficulties coming to terms with and would likely have long-lasting psychological effects. Cat hoarding is a recognised phenomenon which can fill voids in people's lives - but we should be encouraging Maisie to have a more normal and balanced life. Without help or support from other assistants, when does Maisie ever get a break from the cats to fulfil her other needs?
As for ''throwing money'' at rescue shelters, isn't that what Maisie is asking for? I choose to throw my money at regulated rescues where I know cats are well looked after and eventually re-homed. I personally have had brilliant experiences with Cats Protection and I don't care if my money is eaten up in their admin costs rather than going directly to the cats. CP has admin costs because they are regulated and do a brilliant job so my money is going to a worthy cause. My 2 cats from CP were in superb condition even though they had waited nearly a year in rescue.
For those of you who would rather give help, money and support to someone who keeps 35 cats in a standard size house, then that's your choice, just as it's my personal choice to express a different opinion on what is, after all, a discussion forum. I'm not sure if the cats are that happy with the situation - it reminds me of the lyrics of 'Hotel California' - the cats can visit but they can never leave!”
I agree with your post, MarellaK, and I hope MM does now start to seek help too.
I am one of those that did send supplies to help her out in the interim, and don't regret it for a minute, knowing that the cats had food, litter etc, which in turn gave MM a bit of breathing space to hopefully consider her options.
Originally Posted by MarellaK:
“I am sorry if I come across as condescending. However, you consistently come across as rude and hostile to posters who may have a different opinion to your own. This is a discussion forum where people should feel free to express their honest views.
The term ''fruit-loop'' is not in my vocabulary and I find it an incredibly derogatory and offensive way of describing somebody with possible mental health issues. Maisie has previously posted about an incredibly traumatic event that happened in her life which anybody would have difficulties coming to terms with and would likely have long-lasting psychological effects. Cat hoarding is a recognised phenomenon which can fill voids in people's lives - but we should be encouraging Maisie to have a more normal and balanced life. Without help or support from other assistants, when does Maisie ever get a break from the cats to fulfil her other needs?
As for ''throwing money'' at rescue shelters, isn't that what Maisie is asking for? I choose to throw my money at regulated rescues where I know cats are well looked after and eventually re-homed. I personally have had brilliant experiences with Cats Protection and I don't care if my money is eaten up in their admin costs rather than going directly to the cats. CP has admin costs because they are regulated and do a brilliant job so my money is going to a worthy cause. My 2 cats from CP were in superb condition even though they had waited nearly a year in rescue.
For those of you who would rather give help, money and support to someone who keeps 35 cats in a standard size house, then that's your choice, just as it's my personal choice to express a different opinion on what is, after all, a discussion forum. I'm not sure if the cats are that happy with the situation - it reminds me of the lyrics of 'Hotel California' - the cats can visit but they can never leave!”
“I am sorry if I come across as condescending. However, you consistently come across as rude and hostile to posters who may have a different opinion to your own. This is a discussion forum where people should feel free to express their honest views.
The term ''fruit-loop'' is not in my vocabulary and I find it an incredibly derogatory and offensive way of describing somebody with possible mental health issues. Maisie has previously posted about an incredibly traumatic event that happened in her life which anybody would have difficulties coming to terms with and would likely have long-lasting psychological effects. Cat hoarding is a recognised phenomenon which can fill voids in people's lives - but we should be encouraging Maisie to have a more normal and balanced life. Without help or support from other assistants, when does Maisie ever get a break from the cats to fulfil her other needs?
As for ''throwing money'' at rescue shelters, isn't that what Maisie is asking for? I choose to throw my money at regulated rescues where I know cats are well looked after and eventually re-homed. I personally have had brilliant experiences with Cats Protection and I don't care if my money is eaten up in their admin costs rather than going directly to the cats. CP has admin costs because they are regulated and do a brilliant job so my money is going to a worthy cause. My 2 cats from CP were in superb condition even though they had waited nearly a year in rescue.
For those of you who would rather give help, money and support to someone who keeps 35 cats in a standard size house, then that's your choice, just as it's my personal choice to express a different opinion on what is, after all, a discussion forum. I'm not sure if the cats are that happy with the situation - it reminds me of the lyrics of 'Hotel California' - the cats can visit but they can never leave!”
There are no mention of cats in the lyrics of Hotel California
Anyhoo, I don't actually disagree with you that it may not be the best environment for the cats or MM herself but what were the other options?? Some people just genuinely want to help and may end up overtaxing themselves or being taken advantage of by others.
I have offered my support as I think the intentions are well meant and the lady needs help to cope with her current situation...
As someone else mentioned please feel free to make some practical suggestions as what MM can do (she can't go back in time and not have 35 cats!!)
I am not able to offer any practical solutions for MM but maybe other people can???
Yes any please any practical solutions would be great.
Yes I did loose two daughters in 1995 but that shouldn't have been brought up in this thread which is a thankyou thread
The cats do not fill a void in my life either. The cats came years after.
I am looking onto other solutions too and also going too ask the local RSPCA for practical advice too even though they do know that I have the cats.
I have rehomed before too. The owner if one of them came back too me when her cat went missing.
If you need too know anything else just pm me. As at the moment anything I post seems too me too be against me.
Yes I did loose two daughters in 1995 but that shouldn't have been brought up in this thread which is a thankyou thread
The cats do not fill a void in my life either. The cats came years after.
I am looking onto other solutions too and also going too ask the local RSPCA for practical advice too even though they do know that I have the cats.
I have rehomed before too. The owner if one of them came back too me when her cat went missing.
If you need too know anything else just pm me. As at the moment anything I post seems too me too be against me.
Originally Posted by Maisey Moo:
“Yes any please any practical solutions would be great.
Yes I did loose two daughters in 1995 but that shouldn't have been brought up in this thread which is a thankyou thread
The cats do not fill a void in my life either. The cats came years after.
I am looking onto other solutions too and also going too ask the local RSPCA for practical advice too even though they do know that I have the cats.
I have rehomed before too. The owner if one of them came back too me when her cat went missing.
If you need too know anything else just pm me. As at the moment anything I post seems too me too be against me.”
“Yes any please any practical solutions would be great.
Yes I did loose two daughters in 1995 but that shouldn't have been brought up in this thread which is a thankyou thread
The cats do not fill a void in my life either. The cats came years after.
I am looking onto other solutions too and also going too ask the local RSPCA for practical advice too even though they do know that I have the cats.
I have rehomed before too. The owner if one of them came back too me when her cat went missing.
If you need too know anything else just pm me. As at the moment anything I post seems too me too be against me.”
Maisy, I think most people on here think what you have done for cats, and the people who have come to you for help, have nothing but respect for you.
I honestly don't think people are against you, and any criticism as such, has been constructive, for both you and the cats. xx
Originally Posted by orangebird:
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
“I'd be very interested to hear from those that keep banging on about long term strategy etc exactly what efforts they're making with regard to the UKs unwanted/stray/rescued cat situation.
Whilst I do think that MM needs to have some kind of rehoming/trap, neuter, release plan, unless you're all doing your bit for the unwanted cats, come down from your ivory towers and stop criticising. All you're going is bringing MM down.”
I was talking about trying to organise herself a bit better from a financial angle - with regular donations.
Nobody is criticising her for what she does.I think her work deserves admiration and praise. But for her own peace of mind and health & well being she should try to get the finances better organised if that is at all possible. I have no idea how she might go about that - but then I'm not trying to run a an animal sanctuary.
Originally Posted by RAINBOWGIRL22:
“There are no mention of cats in the lyrics of Hotel California
Anyhoo, I don't actually disagree with you that it may not be the best environment for the cats or MM herself but what were the other options?? Some people just genuinely want to help and may end up overtaxing themselves or being taken advantage of by others.
I have offered my support as I think the intentions are well meant and the lady needs help to cope with her current situation...
As someone else mentioned please feel free to make some practical suggestions as what MM can do (she can't go back in time and not have 35 cats!!)
I am not able to offer any practical solutions for MM but maybe other people can???”
“There are no mention of cats in the lyrics of Hotel California
Anyhoo, I don't actually disagree with you that it may not be the best environment for the cats or MM herself but what were the other options?? Some people just genuinely want to help and may end up overtaxing themselves or being taken advantage of by others.
I have offered my support as I think the intentions are well meant and the lady needs help to cope with her current situation...
As someone else mentioned please feel free to make some practical suggestions as what MM can do (she can't go back in time and not have 35 cats!!)
I am not able to offer any practical solutions for MM but maybe other people can???”
No mention of cats but Maisie's cat hotel seems to be a one way visit only - though I note she has now said that she has managed to re-home at least one of her cats.
I have made the same practical suggestion several times in these threads
I personally know people who, wanting to rescue cats, set up registered catteries with which to fund their own rescues, they board cats on a private basis and the money made goes into providing for the costs and care of the rescue cats. Everything is registered, regulated and above board and work as proper businesses. These ladies advertise their businesses and they also advertise their rescue cats for re-homing, online and in the local newspapers.There are start up costs such as insurance and advertising costs as well as providing adequate facilities and a good sized garden to accommodate the heated cages and pens but I am sure some sort of grant could be obtained and I would be happy to donate money to such a cause if it meant everything was regularly inspected and the rescue cats ended up in good homes and not all residing inside a single house, under the care of a single person.
It is very important to have a healthy life balance. One person totally responsible for the care of 35 cats (it may even be more than that if the newly acquired ferals are not already included) does not make for a happy, healthy person or happy, contented cats, no matter how well fed or well looked after the cats are.
In the meanwhile, I agree with Maisie that she should contact the RSPCA for advice and hopefully surrender some or most of her current cats to registered rescue organisations - this way she can find some breathing space, have a break, gain a fresh perspective - and start again with the proper set-up and back-up in place.
I have said several times that I know Maisie is a good person with a kind heart who has helped many people here but I don't think people are helping her by encouraging her to continue with the present arrangement.
Maisie, you have previously made more specific allusions to your dark past so this is not secret. I can only form my opinions and make personal judgements on what I read here and these opinions are shaped by what I do for a living and the type of troubled patients who I have encountered over the years. Many are hoarders, of one sort or another. I am sorry if you feel I am casting aspersions but cat hoarding/collecting, always done with really good intentions, often originates from troubled periods in life such as grief. I just think you need some proper help and I really hope you find a way forward.
You know, I really find all this so sad.
Maisey set up this thread to say thank you to those who had chosen, of their own free will, to send her some supplies and get her through a tough patch. She didn't ask, people chose to send.
As some of you will know, Maisey recently pulled out all the stops to help me re-home the cat of a recently deceased neighbour - none of the charities that I contacted were able to help but Maisey took the time to contact lots of people and places and we were lucky enough to find the cat a lovely home in Wales, where she is very happy. If she hadn't found a home I'd have probably ended up taking her on a one way trip to the vet......
It's all very well to offer constructive criticism and I don't think anyone is trying to be cruel but this isn't the place. Especially not to bring up past events.
Maisey set up this thread to say thank you to those who had chosen, of their own free will, to send her some supplies and get her through a tough patch. She didn't ask, people chose to send.
As some of you will know, Maisey recently pulled out all the stops to help me re-home the cat of a recently deceased neighbour - none of the charities that I contacted were able to help but Maisey took the time to contact lots of people and places and we were lucky enough to find the cat a lovely home in Wales, where she is very happy. If she hadn't found a home I'd have probably ended up taking her on a one way trip to the vet......
It's all very well to offer constructive criticism and I don't think anyone is trying to be cruel but this isn't the place. Especially not to bring up past events.
Originally Posted by JessTheCat:
“You know, I really find all this so sad.
Maisey set up this thread to say thank you to those who had chosen, of their own free will, to send her some supplies and get her through a tough patch. She didn't ask, people chose to send.
As some of you will know, Maisey recently pulled out all the stops to help me re-home the cat of a recently deceased neighbour - none of the charities that I contacted were able to help but Maisey took the time to contact lots of people and places and we were lucky enough to find the cat a lovely home in Wales, where she is very happy. If she hadn't found a home I'd have probably ended up taking her on a one way trip to the vet......
It's all very well to offer constructive criticism and I don't think anyone is trying to be cruel but this isn't the place. Especially not to bring up past events.”
“You know, I really find all this so sad.
Maisey set up this thread to say thank you to those who had chosen, of their own free will, to send her some supplies and get her through a tough patch. She didn't ask, people chose to send.
As some of you will know, Maisey recently pulled out all the stops to help me re-home the cat of a recently deceased neighbour - none of the charities that I contacted were able to help but Maisey took the time to contact lots of people and places and we were lucky enough to find the cat a lovely home in Wales, where she is very happy. If she hadn't found a home I'd have probably ended up taking her on a one way trip to the vet......
It's all very well to offer constructive criticism and I don't think anyone is trying to be cruel but this isn't the place. Especially not to bring up past events.”
I dont think anyone is being horrible to Masie just concerned for her AND the cats.
I'm sure if she found a loving home for the cat you were looking after then she is halfway there to getting most of her own cats a loving home where they are not just one of 35 cats.
Why are suggestions being treated as nasty criticisms?
This is not the time or place? I'm sorry but I think at a time of crises it is the right time and place.
Or it will get to another crises and still nothing has happened.
Originally Posted by sweetpeanut:
“I dont think anyone is being horrible to Masie just concerned for her AND the cats.
I'm sure if she found a loving home for the cat you were looking after then she is halfway there to getting most of her own cats a loving home where they are not just one of 35 cats.
Why are suggestions being treated as nasty criticisms?
This is not the time or place? I'm sorry but I think at a time of crises it is the right time and place.
Or it will get to another crises and still nothing has happened.”
“I dont think anyone is being horrible to Masie just concerned for her AND the cats.
I'm sure if she found a loving home for the cat you were looking after then she is halfway there to getting most of her own cats a loving home where they are not just one of 35 cats.
Why are suggestions being treated as nasty criticisms?
This is not the time or place? I'm sorry but I think at a time of crises it is the right time and place.
Or it will get to another crises and still nothing has happened.”
I didn't say anyone was being horrible or that any criticism was nasty - I used the phrase 'constructive criticism', which it is.
I just think that it would be more appropriate in the other thread rather than this one.
Originally Posted by JessTheCat:
“I didn't say anyone was being horrible or that any criticism was nasty - I used the phrase 'constructive criticism', which it is.
I just think that it would be more appropriate in the other thread rather than this one.”
“I didn't say anyone was being horrible or that any criticism was nasty - I used the phrase 'constructive criticism', which it is.
I just think that it would be more appropriate in the other thread rather than this one.”
I was posting on the other one but then everyone started to post here.
Would have been better to only have the one thread and say thank you on that one where everyone was offering to help in case they never see the new one.
Originally Posted by sweetpeanut:
“I was posting on the other one but then everyone started to post here.
Would have been better to only have the one thread and say thank you on that one where everyone was offering to help in case they never see the new one.”
“I was posting on the other one but then everyone started to post here.
Would have been better to only have the one thread and say thank you on that one where everyone was offering to help in case they never see the new one.”
I'm not picking you out!!
Just making the point that Maisey had saved her 2000th post to say thank you and it would have been nice if that was how it stayed.
I also think that some of the more speculative personal comments made on here would have been better not made on any thread in a public forum. That's just my opinion.
Originally Posted by sweetpeanut:
“I was posting on the other one but then everyone started to post here.
Would have been better to only have the one thread and say thank you on that one where everyone was offering to help in case they never see the new one.”
“I was posting on the other one but then everyone started to post here.
Would have been better to only have the one thread and say thank you on that one where everyone was offering to help in case they never see the new one.”
Oh right, she was wrong for starting a thank you thread too.
You couldn't make this up.
How any of you think trotting out the same criticisms day after day is constructive I don't know. Talk about kick someone when they are down.
MM has got the message, why the need to repeat it over and over if not to beat her with it.
Originally Posted by Yeah_Jackie:
“Oh right, she was wrong for starting a thank you thread too.
You couldn't make this up.
How any of you think trotting out the same criticisms day after day is constructive I don't know. Talk about kick someone when they are down.
MM has got the message, why the need to repeat it over and over if not to beat her with it.”
“Oh right, she was wrong for starting a thank you thread too.
You couldn't make this up.
How any of you think trotting out the same criticisms day after day is constructive I don't know. Talk about kick someone when they are down.
MM has got the message, why the need to repeat it over and over if not to beat her with it.”
She can start as many threads as she likes but gets a bit annoying being told not to post in them by people who seem to think we should not post at all.
We all have something to offer on these threads I'm thinking of her AND the cats and I am sure Masie can see that as well.
Originally Posted by sweetpeanut:
“She can start as many threads as she likes but gets a bit annoying being told not to post in them by people who seem to think we should not post at all.
We all have something to offer on these threads I'm thinking of her AND the cats and I am sure Masie can see that as well.”
“She can start as many threads as she likes but gets a bit annoying being told not to post in them by people who seem to think we should not post at all.
We all have something to offer on these threads I'm thinking of her AND the cats and I am sure Masie can see that as well.”
And what have you offered?
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