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Old 06-09-2013, 19:29
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I've just seen the Scottish girl in Emmerde absolutely wallop Cain across the face for no apparent reason. It got me thinking about how often we seen women slapping men across the face in soaps and how this is portrayed as acceptable.

Also it's boring. Can't the script writers come up with anything new?
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Old 06-09-2013, 19:34
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It's often played for laughs as well e.g Kat hitting Alfie outside the Vic.
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Old 06-09-2013, 19:35
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It's often played for laughs as well e.g Kat hitting Alfie outside the Vic.
Can you imagine if a guy slapped or hit his wife the outrage would be huge.
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Old 06-09-2013, 20:14
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I made a similar thread last year. It's disgusting that violence against men from women is often seen as funny in soaps. I remember when Kat punched Alfie during a clip used at the British Soap Awards, the audience were laughing. Violence against men is every bit as wrong as violence against women.
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Old 06-09-2013, 20:23
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But Corrie has not long done a very hard hitting storyline with Kirsty and Tyrone. Where a male was the victim of domestic abuse at the hands of a female.

So it has at least been tackled in another away.
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Old 06-09-2013, 20:30
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But Corrie has not long done a very hard hitting storyline with Kirsty and Tyrone. Where a male was the victim of domestic abuse at the hands of a female.

So it has at least been tackled in another away.
But that was a SL, it's more the random one off hitting that's disgusting.
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Old 06-09-2013, 20:58
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But Corrie has not long done a very hard hitting storyline with Kirsty and Tyrone. Where a male was the victim of domestic abuse at the hands of a female.

So it has at least been tackled in another away.
Yet from what I recall people seemed to side with Kirsty (on the forums I mean) making up excuses like she is "disturbed" and needs "help", yet I don't recall male abusers or villains getting a sympathetic story for why they have become like this. And making Tyrone look like he is in the wrong because he never reported it and poor Kirsty this.

Its not just men getting hit, when they make a fool out of them. Like Steve in Coronation Street is treated like a moron to make the likes of Eileen and Michelle get one over on him and look clever in comparison.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:34
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to be fair Moira was extremely distressed, because Cain'd just helped her son escape from the police (having been falsely accused of murder), and she's worried that he's made matters ten times worse for Adam, as well as getting himself arrested. It was an exceptionally hard slap though - it's a wonder she didn't end up getting arrested herself.

It bothers me that we sometimes see female characters kneeing or grabbing men in the groin, and this is often played for laughs. I certainly don't find it funny and wouldn't do if it was the other way around.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:52
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Rhona elbowed the hell out of Paddy this week also, lol.

I guess it was kick a dude's ass week on Emmerdale.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:29
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to be fair Moira was extremely distressed, because Cain'd just helped her son escape from the police (having been falsely accused of murder), and she's worried that he's made matters ten times worse for Adam, as well as getting himself arrested. It was an exceptionally hard slap though - it's a wonder she didn't end up getting arrested herself.

It bothers me that we sometimes see female characters kneeing or grabbing men in the groin, and this is often played for laughs. I certainly don't find it funny and wouldn't do if it was the other way around.
Yeah, I saw the context but it was still a violent assault portrayed as entirely acceptable. Again.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:29
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to be fair Moira was extremely distressed, because Cain'd just helped her son escape from the police (having been falsely accused of murder), and she's worried that he's made matters ten times worse for Adam, as well as getting himself arrested. It was an exceptionally hard slap though - it's a wonder she didn't end up getting arrested herself.

It bothers me that we sometimes see female characters kneeing or grabbing men in the groin, and this is often played for laughs. I certainly don't find it funny and wouldn't do if it was the other way around.
If the shoe had been on the other foot and Cain had hit Moira then I am sure the Police would have arrested him. I can understand why she did it but I find it quite bizarre that the Police just stood there and did nothing.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:33
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If the shoe had been on the other foot and Cain had hit Moira then I am sure the Police would have arrested him. I can understand why she did it but I find it quite bizarre that the Police just stood there and did nothing.
People often say that the "can understand why they did it" but never when it's a man hitting a woman. I don't recall much understanding for Trevor when he was battering Little Mo.

I have never hit anyone in my life and I don't understand how anyone, male or female, can fail to control themselves and behave violently. It's criminal behaviour and should be treated as such.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:14
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People often say that the "can understand why they did it" but never when it's a man hitting a woman. I don't recall much understanding for Trevor when he was battering Little Mo.

I have never hit anyone in my life and I don't understand how anyone, male or female, can fail to control themselves and behave violently. It's criminal behaviour and should be treated as such.
I'm not saying that what Moira did was right and as I said, if Cain had hit Moira I think he would have also been arrested. In soapworld it appears to be perfectly acceptable for a woman to stand up for herself and land a slap whenever she feels it's warranted.

I can understand why she hit him though, she walks in, clocks what he has done and realises that Adam has now made himself look a whole lot worse. She then hits out at the person she knows has helped him. I'm not saying that what she did was right but I know why she did it. Trevor beat Little Mo as a way to control her, and I don't think you can compare the two as they are completely different situations.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:21
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Acceptable or not, its realistic. Happens in real life all the time
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:40
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Me & the missus were discussing this very same subject last night funnily enough, before she slapped me to the floor & warned me to button it for disagreeing with her.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:39
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Yet from what I recall people seemed to side with Kirsty (on the forums I mean) making up excuses like she is "disturbed" and needs "help", yet I don't recall male abusers or villains getting a sympathetic story for why they have become like this. And making Tyrone look like he is in the wrong because he never reported it and poor Kirsty this.

Its not just men getting hit, when they make a fool out of them. Like Steve in Coronation Street is treated like a moron to make the likes of Eileen and Michelle get one over on him and look clever in comparison.
I can't say that was my view. But she was certainly a compelling character.

In any case, the reason men are set up in this way is sexism. Men are supposed to be masculine, and take it if a woman decides to hit or degrade them in some way.

Whereas women are supposed to be weak and feeble, thus if a man hits a woman or degrades her, we feel shock or sorry for her.

Obviously this is not the right way, but is is a stereotype that has been constantly perpetuated by the media in many different forms.

Us men are the tough ones, therefore we can take the brunt of anything
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:45
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Kat hit Alfie a lot when she was pregnant.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:59
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There's not enough violence toward men in soaps actually. Unlike a lot of hard working, caring and family orientated men in real life, soap men are unfaithful, criminal, untrustworthy, malicious and devious and deserve everything they get so they do.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:49
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I'm not saying that what Moira did was right and as I said, if Cain had hit Moira I think he would have also been arrested. In soapworld it appears to be perfectly acceptable for a woman to stand up for herself and land a slap whenever she feels it's warranted.

I can understand why she hit him though, she walks in, clocks what he has done and realises that Adam has now made himself look a whole lot worse. She then hits out at the person she knows has helped him. I'm not saying that what she did was right but I know why she did it. Trevor beat Little Mo as a way to control her, and I don't think you can compare the two as they are completely different situations.
How does that translate into assaulting someone? How can you "understand"? When people are angry and upset is it normal to hit people?

Trevor was "troubled" was he not?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:49
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Acceptable or not, its realistic. Happens in real life all the time
I have never seen this happen in real life.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:50
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Kat hit Alfie a lot when she was pregnant.
Kat is a violent person. Who's to say she won't batter Tommy?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:51
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There's not enough violence toward men in soaps actually. Unlike a lot of hard working, caring and family orientated men in real life, soap men are unfaithful, criminal, untrustworthy, malicious and devious and deserve everything they get so they do.
Do soap women like say, Janine, deserve to be battered?
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:01
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I can't say that was my view. But she was certainly a compelling character.

In any case, the reason men are set up in this way is sexism. Men are supposed to be masculine, and take it if a woman decides to hit or degrade them in some way.

Whereas women are supposed to be weak and feeble, thus if a man hits a woman or degrades her, we feel shock or sorry for her.

Obviously this is not the right way, but is is a stereotype that has been constantly perpetuated by the media in many different forms.

Us men are the tough ones, therefore we can take the brunt of anything
So much for equality huh? Women shouldn't be dishing out hits and punches if they cannot take it back, but of course we still live in a society where women are still seen as the only victims.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:03
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Yeah, I saw the context but it was still a violent assault portrayed as entirely acceptable. Again.
I know it wasn't acceptable. Which is why I don't understand why she wasn't arrested. All I'm saying is it was very extreme circumstances, and not something the character normally does. Just as I would say that if it was a normally peaceful man attacking a woman in a similar way.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:22
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How does that translate into assaulting someone? How can you "understand"? When people are angry and upset is it normal to hit people?

Trevor was "troubled" was he not?
the same argument can be used for the many times that men hit men, or women hit women in soaps (and reality).

Why shouldn't you understand that a very distressed person might lash out and do something they wouldn't normally do? Cain hits people often enough when he's upset. If Moira had attacked another woman would you be so concerned? We see those kinds of reactions often on soaps. In very extreme circumstances like that, lashing out and hitting someone surely doesn't put you in the same category as an abuser? This wasn't just 'angry and upset' - this was dealing with your son facing a life sentence, and your partner being arrested for helping him to escape. I wouldn't blame anyone for lashing out in that sort of circumstance.

The only issue I have with that scene is why she wasn't arrested for breach of the peace, or assault. She should have been.
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