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Easily. I don't go looking for Sherlock fan stuff, DW fan stuff or any fan stuff at all, apart from DS. How weird would that be?
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Watching Tennant's last had such an emotional impact for me. Boy can that feller act!
I don't see how anyone could consider the Doctor cowardly either if they were watching the same programme as me. He "did the right thing" after all. Terminating his own existence to save the life of an old, inferior being. If he'd chosen to let Wilf die, that would have been cowardly and not the heroic Timelord we have come to know something about. The Doctor showing his frustration at having to do that, for me, just helps him to be a more credible, realistic character. And what's wrong with males crying anyway? Are people being a bit sexist perhaps? At the end of the day the alleged "mopey" stuff was about just over a minute before he actually did the deed and SAVED WILF'S LIFE! Once he was actually burnt by the regeneration he was more dignified (not that he had to be ) and simply went off to continue helping his former companions and see them one last time. "I don't want to go?"? The man was facing his final moments, he shouldn't be criticised for speaking his final words from the heart. We may be all reserved and demand a stiff upper lip, but The Doctor is a time lord, not British The only downside was 11s appearance, sadly. (And this is from someone who is a Matt fan too. Yes! A disclaimer that makes it ok to criticise the first few seconds of 11, even though he pulled it back quick enough in series 5 )Firstly, the scream. I felt the "insane scream while regenerating" was perfect when The Master did it, but when it came to 11 it didn't feel very "Doctor-ish", for whatever reason. Secondly, having a "comedy comedy comedy, oooh look at me I've got new arms and legs and ha ha ha....I'm a girl lolz" scene right after losing 10 in an emotional way was a big mistake. It was askin to booking a clown for a cremation and bringing him on the second the curtains closed after the casket departs. It was the main reason I didn't like 11 for his first few episodes, the comedy scene at the end of TEOT just felt massively out of place and misjudged. (good music tho )But then, judging emotions aren't exactly a strength of Moffat either, are they? ![]() (Yes, I like him too, disclaimer disclaimer, but he would rather a dry series focusing on sci-fi concepts than any kind of personal interaction. Ho hum) |
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Indeed. Actions speak louder than words and in my view, everyone handles dying differently (something we'll all have to face up to eventually!) and even if previous incarnations had handled regeneration in a different manner, Ten is the one who is dying, so he gets to handle it any way he wants to.
At the end of the day the alleged "mopey" stuff was about just over a minute before he actually did the deed and SAVED WILF'S LIFE! Once he was actually burnt by the regeneration he was more dignified (not that he had to be ) and simply went off to continue helping his former companions and see them one last time. "I don't want to go?"? The man was facing his final moments, he shouldn't be criticised for speaking his final words from the heart. We may be all reserved and demand a stiff upper lip, but The Doctor is a time lord, not British The only downside was 11s appearance, sadly. (And this is from someone who is a Matt fan too. Yes! A disclaimer that makes it ok to criticise the first few seconds of 11, even though he pulled it back quick enough in series 5 )Firstly, the scream. I felt the "insane scream while regenerating" was perfect when The Master did it, but when it came to 11 it didn't feel very "Doctor-ish", for whatever reason. Secondly, having a "comedy comedy comedy, oooh look at me I've got new arms and legs and ha ha ha....I'm a girl lolz" scene right after losing 10 in an emotional way was a big mistake. It was askin to booking a clown for a cremation and bringing him on the second the curtains closed after the casket departs. It was the main reason I didn't like 11 for his first few episodes, the comedy scene at the end of TEOT just felt massively out of place and misjudged. (good music tho )But then, judging emotions aren't exactly a strength of Moffat either, are they? ![]() (Yes, I like him too, disclaimer disclaimer, but he would rather a dry series focusing on sci-fi concepts than any kind of personal interaction. Ho hum) ![]() I agree that the two parts of the regeneration feel rather disjointed, but for me it's Ten's part that doesn't feel right in it, even though Matt's first scene is not exactly my favorite first appearance from a Doctor either. |
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Well, technically Moffat/11 just went with what RTD/10 had been trying to push into our heads throughout the whole episode. After all if regeneration is death as they had been trying to convince us then Ten and everything he was died at that moment, so yeah why would Eleven bother with him since he was a completely new man sauntering away and he just celebrated being born.
![]() I agree that the two parts of the regeneration feel rather disjointed, but for me it's Ten's part that doesn't feel right in it, even though Matt's first scene is not exactly my favorite first appearance from a Doctor either. ) so to see the new Doctor jumping around and being a fool I wasn't quite ready for.TBH If they'd cut it so you had the "stinger scream" happen just after Matt himself screamed out of the regeneration, then had his self-discovery/realisation he was crashing in a mini episode on the red button before series 5, chances are I'd probably have loved it. But it was just timing that was the issue for me. |
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Again, I say it's a tonal thing, I was actually quite emotional at Ten's passing (which I say with no regret...even though I was massively hung over too
) so to see the new Doctor jumping around and being a fool I wasn't quite ready for.TBH If they'd cut it so you had the "stinger scream" happen just after Matt himself screamed out of the regeneration, then had his self-discovery/realisation he was crashing in a mini episode on the red button before series 5, chances are I'd probably have loved it. But it was just timing that was the issue for me. But while it might feel disjointed to me watching it and rewatching it now, I suppose that for loads of people it felt good as they sobbed their hearts out for Ten first and then laughed a little through the tears with Eleven (as they had precious little to smile/laugh during the previous hour). |
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Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread yet or not but another thing I don't like about this regeneration is the fact that Doc #10's body heals itself of cuts and scratches while still remaining 10's body*.
Why? Obviously (the out of show reason is that) it's so Tennant can look nice and smart while visiting hundreds of former companions but why would the Process work that way? His body is riddled with radiation and is dying and is about to become a brand new body so why does the regeneration energy bother to heal a few cuts on a body that will soon cease to exist? *In the same vein I don't like the way Moffat had Doc #11 randomly produce regeneration energy while not regenerating to heal Rivers broken wrist. |
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Indeed. Actions speak louder than words and in my view, everyone handles dying differently (something we'll all have to face up to eventually!) and even if previous incarnations had handled regeneration in a different manner, Ten is the one who is dying, so he gets to handle it any way he wants to.
At the end of the day the alleged "mopey" stuff was about just over a minute before he actually did the deed and SAVED WILF'S LIFE! Once he was actually burnt by the regeneration he was more dignified (not that he had to be ) and simply went off to continue helping his former companions and see them one last time. "I don't want to go?"? The man was facing his final moments, he shouldn't be criticised for speaking his final words from the heart. We may be all reserved and demand a stiff upper lip, but The Doctor is a time lord, not British The only downside was 11s appearance, sadly. (And this is from someone who is a Matt fan too. Yes! A disclaimer that makes it ok to criticise the first few seconds of 11, even though he pulled it back quick enough in series 5 )Firstly, the scream. I felt the "insane scream while regenerating" was perfect when The Master did it, but when it came to 11 it didn't feel very "Doctor-ish", for whatever reason. Secondly, having a "comedy comedy comedy, oooh look at me I've got new arms and legs and ha ha ha....I'm a girl lolz" scene right after losing 10 in an emotional way was a big mistake. It was askin to booking a clown for a cremation and bringing him on the second the curtains closed after the casket departs. It was the main reason I didn't like 11 for his first few episodes, the comedy scene at the end of TEOT just felt massively out of place and misjudged. (good music tho )But then, judging emotions aren't exactly a strength of Moffat either, are they? ![]() (Yes, I like him too, disclaimer disclaimer, but he would rather a dry series focusing on sci-fi concepts than any kind of personal interaction. Ho hum) But it never occured to me that the first lines of 11 jarred with the mood.. I just found it invigorating! Having been taken into a little world of despair, suddenly there was energy, hope and excitement. I think it worked wonderfully to counterpoint what had gone before.. But I still rate 5 to 6 as the best, especially colins first couple of lines..
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Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread yet or not but another thing I don't like about this regeneration is the fact that Doc #10's body heals itself of cuts and scratches while still remaining 10's body*.
Why? Obviously (the out of show reason is that) it's so Tennant can look nice and smart while visiting hundreds of former companions but why would the Process work that way? His body is riddled with radiation and is dying and is about to become a brand new body so why does the regeneration energy bother to heal a few cuts on a body that will soon cease to exist? *In the same vein I don't like the way Moffat had Doc #11 randomly produce regeneration energy while not regenerating to heal Rivers broken wrist. Or its a time lord process separate to regeneration to ensure their corpses look nice for their funeral services. (I'm assuming the burning we've seen the Master and 11th Doctor go through post death is just to ensure we humans don't get our hand on their alien biology and isn't standard practice back on Gallifrey...) Or the regeneration nanobots (surely? ) sort their repairing tasks into order of what's easiest. Straightening out a few cuts is nothing compared to radiation damage so they probably went for that first. Healing THEN changing does seem to be the order of things, as seen when 10 managed to heal then NOT change in Journey's End. |
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Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread yet or not but another thing I don't like about this regeneration is the fact that Doc #10's body heals itself of cuts and scratches while still remaining 10's body*.
Why? Obviously it's so Tennant can look nice and smart while visiting hundreds of former companions but why would the Process work that way? His body is riddled with radiation and is dying and is about to become a brand new body so why does the regeneration energy bother to heal a few cuts? *In the same vein I don't like the way Moffat had Doc #11 randomly produce regeneration energy while not regenerating to heal Rivers broken wrist. )Also in The Impossible Astronaut/Wedding of River Song there's 11 using regeneration energy from inside of the Tesselecta, which is sort of another unexplained use of regeneration energy without actually regenerating. |
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Also in The Impossible Astronaut/Wedding of River Song there's 11 using regeneration energy from inside of the Tesselecta, which is sort of another unexplained use of regeneration energy without actually regenerating. |
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Oh, I thought the tesselecta had details of the process in its archives , copied the regeneration effect and was therefore just imitating it?
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This one bothered me more than the healing part. When I watched the Death of the Doctor and the Doctor tells Jo that he went to see all of his companions my first reaction was "Are you serious?". I mean he's staggering around half dead and he manages to visit all of them in that state without dying or regenerating somewhere along the road. (also if the point is that he sees regeneration as dying why go visit people that he never met them in that body for that matter, surely it were completely different men who were friends with those people
)Also in The Impossible Astronaut/Wedding of River Song there's 11 using regeneration energy from inside of the Tesselecta, which is sort of another unexplained use of regeneration energy without actually regenerating. I don't know about the Tesselecta thing - I haven't the foggiest what was going on there. |
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Also in The Impossible Astronaut/Wedding of River Song there's 11 using regeneration energy from inside of the Tesselecta, which is sort of another unexplained use of regeneration energy without actually regenerating. I did have that one down to it just being a light show the Doctor had the Tesalecta generate, after all what's a bit of light to a machine that can produce a working motor bike or a detachable Stetson? The Doctor is rather tiny at that point so it seems unlikely he could produce a light show that big using his own energy. |
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Also River can use her regeneration energy (as a child of two human parents....so sex in the Tardis creates superhumans...but I digress ) to knock out a group of Nazis.
Then she passes it on to another... The more we see this regeneration lark the more we learn about it
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Ten didn't visit his old companions - he just looked at them. He saw all the things Jo had done, but she didn't know he was watching her. Now I've typed that it sounds a bit creepy, actually.
I don't know about the Tesselecta thing - I haven't the foggiest what was going on there. It sounds a bit creepy, but I imagine a lot of DW does, especially to outsiders. I mean the Doctor interacted with at least three of his love interests while they still were babies/children (Rose, Reinette and River) That's creepier than just looking at someone from afar IMO.I dunno, for me the whole goodbye scene ine The End of Time was too drawn out already (I think that scene with Rose alone would have been quite enough, it's such a low key, but really nice moment), so I personally saw no reason to pile even more onto it as that scene in SJA suggested. |
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Yes, I know that he didn't actually talk to them, but even going to see ALL of them must have taken a very long amount of time, so my point still stands.
It sounds a bit creepy, but I imagine a lot of DW does, especially to outsiders. I mean the Doctor interacted with at least three of his love interests while they still were babies/children (Rose, Reinette and River) That's creepier than just looking at someone from afar IMO.I dunno, for me the whole goodbye scene ine The End of Time was too drawn out already (I think that scene with Rose alone would have been quite enough, it's such a low key, but really nice moment), so I personally saw no reason to pile even more onto it as that scene in SJA suggested. Though how just saying he was "the doctor" gave it away was a mystery. Perhaps she used a pseudonym for his character in the "Journal of Impossible things" and the actual name of "The Doctor" was known only to the family? :S |
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I quite liked the end of time until the doctor jumped through the glass roof from the space ship And didn't die, it all went downhill from there and ended with the awful regeneration scene so much drivel. All we had seen of ten all the drama and they had him end crying like a baby. That's all I remember now
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For some reason the one that really got to me was the scene with the granddaughter of Jon Smith's potential wife.
Though how just saying he was "the doctor" gave it away was a mystery. Perhaps she used a pseudonym for his character in the "Journal of Impossible things" and the actual name of "The Doctor" was known only to the family? :S But yeah, it was interesting that he thought about her. I was bothered that the Doctor just had to save Luke's as well as Martha's and Mickey's lives instead of just saying goodbye to them, because it reinforces the notion that he is some sort of Superman and it makes them seem rather useless. |
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Did he even tell her that he was the Doctor? I always thought that it was his mere presence that gave it away. That her grandmother told her about the Doctor and that it would just be something you'd see if you were to look into his eyes would give it away if you had the knowledge she did.
But yeah, it was interesting that he thought about her. I was bothered that the Doctor just had to save Luke's as well as Martha's and Mickey's lives instead of just saying goodbye to them, because it reinforces the notion that he is some sort of Superman and it makes them seem rather useless. I always wondered about the Luke getting run over thing.... Was that a fixed point in time? ![]() Maybe he thought "To hell with it, I'm dying anyway, let 11 deal with the consequences"
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I quite liked the end of time until the doctor jumped through the glass roof from the space ship And didn't die, it all went downhill from there and ended with the awful regeneration scene so much drivel. All we had seen of ten all the drama and they had him end crying like a baby. That's all I remember now
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How the Doctor managed to survive falling through the glass roof is a mystery.
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I just watched it again today. For the most part I find the End of Time pretty boring so I just watch it for the end scenes. I think it was the sort of regeneration that suited Tennant well, and I still get emotional seeing him say goodbye to Sarah Jane for the last time. I thought the whole reason for his regeneration was well done as well, especially when he was venting his frustrations on poor old Wilf.
I absolutely love the 9th to 10th regeneration as well, but I think it was great that they were handled so differently. It'll be interesting to see what 11th to 12th will be like. |
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How the Doctor managed to survive falling through the glass roof is a mystery.
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Especially since his fourth self died from falling a shorter distance onto grass...
(a) The Fourth Doctor's incarnation was a very long lived one, decades or even centuries, and having seen The Watcher he knew the time was right to regenerate, so he put up no resistance. (b) The Tenth Doctor had an very short lived incarnation, about four years (derived from the fact that he was constantly stating his age) so he was not ready to go, and put up the utmost resistance, surviving the fall from a very great height, and staving off the inevitable after absorbing the radiation so that he could say goodbye to all and sundry. |
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) and simply went off to continue helping his former companions and see them one last time.

