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cooler
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by Barbra:
“All polls on euthanasia, bar those 'specially commissioned' by the ironically-named Caring-not-Killing, showed a clear majority in favour. Why do politicians think that they know better?”

Isn't euthanasia against religious beliefs, and politicians base themselves as being part of a christian country?
Scrabbler
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cal_Scream2:
“It's not revealed whether Roy actually helps her, I don't think, in the spoilers. It just says Hayley asks Roy to help her before she reverts back to her old ways of being Harold, she wants to die as Hayley. She could just kill herself, Roy may have nothing to do with it.

A lot of cancer/terminal illness story lines seemed to be ending with assisted suicide nowadays in soaps.”

Why would she revert back to Harold? Does having cancer mean she's grow a new willy?
Barbra
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by cooler:
“Isn't euthanasia against religious beliefs, and politicians base themselves as being part of a christian country?”

If so, then by the same token, they should never have voted to go to war under any circumstances.
scone
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“Why would she revert back to Harold? Does having cancer mean she's grow a new willy? ”

Is it the hormone replacements she takes to continue life as a woman, will the medication she takes to treat the cancer knock out the effects of the other medication therefore meaning her facial hair may grow back and stuff like that.
tq21
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by scone:
“Maybe this storyline will include a trip to Switzerland. Have any of the other soaps done that?”

Holby City did it, Elliot's wife Gina went to Dignitas in Switzerland, it was actually quite realistic. She had MND and was facing a very bleak long drawn out death process. These are generally the types of patients who seek euthanasia.

Actually this subject is becoming more & more important, there are some diseases that when the end is nigh are extremely difficult for some people to exist through, some muscular dystrophies for example, when you can no longer function as a person, but are waiting for your diaphragm to stop working to die can be excruciating.

Personally once I could no longer communicate I'd rather be dead.

As for Hayley, the reason they are using is that the morphine treatment at the end may mean that she is so in and out of consciousness that she may forget she is Hayley & think of herself as Harold.
GrannyGruntbuck
08-09-2013
I have told my wife that should she ever be in a similar position and she was wanting to die with dignity, I would assist 100%.
I would hope the same could happen for me if I was in that position.

After doing whatever was needed, I would report at a police station.
My attitude on this is DAMN the law, I will do what I believe is right regardless of any law.
Obviously I would expect them to investigate in case I had done the deed for gain or out of malice.
I would quite happily stand in the dock in a court of law and say "Damn the law, I did what was right", regardless of the consequences.
Barbra
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by GrannyGruntbuck:
“I have told my wife that should she ever be in a similar position and she was wanting to die with dignity, I would assist 100%.
I would hope the same could happen for me if I was in that position.

After doing whatever was needed, I would report at a police station.
My attitude on this is DAMN the law, I will do what I believe is right regardless of any law.
Obviously I would expect them to investigate in case I had done the deed for gain or out of malice.
I would quite happily stand in the dock in a court of law and say "Damn the law, I did what was right", regardless of the consequences.”

You are not alone, I am sure many will do the same out of love and total respect for their spouse or any loved ones.
GrannyGruntbuck
08-09-2013
And that will be the only reason 'Love'.
Mel94
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by Barbra:
“I think that in Hayley's case, there is no need for assisted suicide, unlike that who have locked-in syndrome or totally incapacitated.”

Unless it's when she's too weak to do it herself.
IanMandy
08-09-2013
I'm really looking forward to it, how on earth would Roy cope if he assisted Hayley to die? It would kill him! They'd really need Sylvia back though
dan2008
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by axl rose:
“I disagree with it because its been done before in EE with Dot and Ethel and in Brookside with Mick and Gladys(?). Its just boring”

Yeah EastEnders done it in 2000
Brookside and Hollyoaks have done it.
Emmerdale done it in 2010/2011 ?
Doctors went into great deal with it earlier this year...a chap in the wheel chair that had a stroke on top of his original illness....even went into detail about going to Switzerland to die...and involved the Doctor opinion on things.

However Corrie might be a few years behind but it's always good to high light issues such as this.
Pete Callan
08-09-2013
I hate the sound of this story. It sounds tacky and over the top, as well as being completely out of character. First of all Hayley would never give up, secondly she'd never ask such a thing of Roy, and lastly Roy would never, ever actually do it. He's law-abiding to his dying breath, there isn't even a give here, he absolutely categorically would not help Hayley in this instance.
Thamwet
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by scone:
“None of us want to see Roy being charged with manslaughter do we, so he has to get Hayley to Switzerland if this is the storyline they are running with”

Even helping her get there would be a criminal offence. The law states that anyone wishing to go to Switzerland must travel there completely by themselves. As suicide is not an offence, there is nothing to stop people doing this. However, if someone aids them in travelling to Switzerland, then that person has committed the "criminal offence" of assisted suicide, and can be arrested as soon as they return to Britain. Roy would be allowed no hand at all.
Barbra
08-09-2013
Originally Posted by Pete Callan:
“I hate the sound of this story. It sounds tacky and over the top, as well as being completely out of character. First of all Hayley would never give up, secondly she'd never ask such a thing of Roy, and lastly Roy would never, ever actually do it. He's law-abiding to his dying breath, there isn't even a give here, he absolutely categorically would not help Hayley in this instance.”

You may well be right given what we know of the characters. What are the chances that Hayley turns to Carla for help after Roy's refusal?
tobykim
08-09-2013
As I read it, Hayley eventually wants to end her own life, Roy totally disagrees with her which causes trouble between them. Maybe she has to stop taking her hormone tablets, I don't know, or maybe the cancer travels rapidly to other areas.
Who knows what anyone would do in the same position, some people suffer excruciating pain, and I wonder if the end of life shouldn't be as peaceful as possible.
wwinterj
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by rizzoli_2013:
“I really disagree with it if you in pain regardless you should never ask another person to help kill your self that selfish yes maybe people die in peace but what the person left behind .”

Sure it can seen as selfish but I can see the point of view from people who want the person they love to help them to die. Rather than be killed by Cancer they want to die by the hands of the person they love. It's one of the kindest things anyone could do ending someones pain that will only get worse.
Meanaunty
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by GrannyGruntbuck:
“I have told my wife that should she ever be in a similar position and she was wanting to die with dignity, I would assist 100%.
I would hope the same could happen for me if I was in that position.

After doing whatever was needed, I would report at a police station.
My attitude on this is DAMN the law, I will do what I believe is right regardless of any law.
Obviously I would expect them to investigate in case I had done the deed for gain or out of malice.
I would quite happily stand in the dock in a court of law and say "Damn the law, I did what was right", regardless of the consequences.”

Absolutely agree with everything you've said. I would do the same, no question.
peaches41
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by k9fan:
“Please put spoiler in the title and give a link.”

Where's the link to this?
Barbra
09-09-2013
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...ncer-plot.html
LottieD92
09-09-2013
What's the betting come award season corrie will get loads of praise and awards for doing an asisted suicide SL and the fact the Hollyoaks have just done it will be completely ignored.
Whedonite
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by rizzoli_2013:
“Coronation street has confirmed they going to do a right to die.

I really disagree with it if you in pain regardless you should never ask another person to help kill your self that selfish yes maybe people die in peace but what the person left behind .

There guilt or could face jail time .

Do you agree with this storyline?”

You could also say it's a bit selfish to sit by and watch a loved one in pain, when they are already dying. We kill animals in the name of mercy all the time, but when a human can actually consent, we call we murder.
lotty27
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by Cal_Scream2:
“It's not revealed whether Roy actually helps her, I don't think, in the spoilers. It just says Hayley asks Roy to help her before she reverts back to her old ways of being Harold, she wants to die as Hayley. She could just kill herself, Roy may have nothing to do with it.

A lot of cancer/terminal illness story lines seemed to be ending with assisted suicide nowadays in soaps.”

Exactly. It doesn't say 'assisted' suicide it says 'right to die' and Hayley might well think she has the right to check out when she wants to and when she is capable of doing it without any help from Roy.

Originally Posted by cooler:
“Isn't euthanasia against religious beliefs, and politicians base themselves as being part of a christian country?”

I believe the law regarding assisted suicide was brought about to stop nasty b@stards forcing someone to die (or presurising them to make this decision e.g. telling them they're too much trouble, they're not wanted, why don't you just die? etc) because the nasty b@stards want to get their hands on their inheritance or just as basic as they just can't be bothered to look after them any more.

It's basically a law to protect vulnerable people from sharks rather than anything to do with religion.

Originally Posted by GrannyGruntbuck:
“I have told my wife that should she ever be in a similar position and she was wanting to die with dignity, I would assist 100%.
I would hope the same could happen for me if I was in that position.

After doing whatever was needed, I would report at a police station.
My attitude on this is DAMN the law, I will do what I believe is right regardless of any law.
Obviously I would expect them to investigate in case I had done the deed for gain or out of malice.
I would quite happily stand in the dock in a court of law and say "Damn the law, I did what was right", regardless of the consequences.”

If in the future your wife wants to make this decision then she is very lucky to have you

Originally Posted by Thamwet:
“Even helping her get there would be a criminal offence. The law states that anyone wishing to go to Switzerland must travel there completely by themselves. As suicide is not an offence, there is nothing to stop people doing this. However, if someone aids them in travelling to Switzerland, then that person has committed the "criminal offence" of assisted suicide, and can be arrested as soon as they return to Britain. Roy would be allowed no hand at all.”

Agreed it's technically a crime but up to October 2012 no one accompanying anyone wanting to die in Switzerland has been prosecuted for it

(source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19989167).

I have no idea if anyone has been prosecuted for assisting a suicide at home in the UK.

Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“You could also say it's a bit selfish to sit by and watch a loved one in pain, when they are already dying. We kill animals in the name of mercy all the time, but when a human can actually consent, we call we murder.”

Exactly, how many times have we heard things like "you wouldn't let a dog suffer that"? Why should humans be any different as long as they want to die and not prolong their suffering/avoid the end stages of their diseases which can be a living torture?

I don't honestly know what I'd do myself n these circumstances (and hope I'm never put in this position) but I'm a firm believer that people should have the right to choose this option.
Tom_Willis
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by LottieD92:
“What's the betting come award season corrie will get loads of praise and awards for doing an asisted suicide SL and the fact the Hollyoaks have just done it will be completely ignored.”

I can't see any other soap plot beating Hayley's cancer story line.
Barbra
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by Tom_Willis:
“I can't see any other soap plot beating Hayley's cancer story line.”

I thought that Emmerdale's Aaron/Jackson euthanasia sl was quite well done, did it win any awards?
ameredith
09-09-2013
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“Why would she revert back to Harold? Does having cancer mean she's grow a new willy? ”

They mean with the painkillers for the cancer she doesn't want to lose her clarity of thought.
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