BIB - I think because she loved Phil, Ben and Jay and liked their little odd family unit so much, and she didn't want to lose that by going to the police and revealing all. Every time she nearly did, she always backed out. When her and Phil ended, I guess she thought she had nothing to lose.

If she gets sent down for revealing it to the police as well, I'm sure it would make her life actually worth living. I'm still curious as to what she's still doing lingering around Walford like a bad smell (sometimes literally! ) when she could go and live comfortably at Carly's and now has the money to go and live in Greece and set up a bar, which is all she's been talking about all week.

I still dont feel sorry for phil after the way he used lexi and lola to his advantage. He deserves everything he gets

All shirley was doing was getting the key for the money. She wasnt bringing any harm to lexi or lola

Shirley is low life scum. Always wants what others have got.

How low can she go? How loose is her goose?

HER GOOSE IS TOTALLY LOOSE!!!
Now come on everybody!!
I SAID COME ON EVERYBODY
And shake your caboose
NOW SHAKE YOUR CABOOSE!

You have completely missed my point. In the post I quoted you both condemned Shirley's actions on a moral level yet approved of the idea of Carl killing her; hence my comment about having rather skewed moral standards

And yet you have time for Shirley who is also using them.

Anyway it's not about feeling sorry for Phil it's about not wanting Shirley to monetarily gain, particularly in the manner she has, and all because she chose not to go to the police with the information she had.

He used them but he got Lexi back for Lola in the end.

Shirley on the other hand is so pathetic that can't get a job neither can she get life back on track. And she treated Hev like crap at times. That's all conveniently forgotten. Shirley is no saint, far from it.

No she isnt. She was only getting the key, i dont think that equals to using them or bringing them any harm.

How is it tragic they're hardly a Dennis and Sharon or even Bradley and Stacey for that matter

It doesnt matter that he did he was still horrible. All shirley did was get the key i dont see the big deal.

For all shirleys faults she did a lot of the stuff cos she loved phil and she was insecure, its why im always on her side imo

I missed your point because it was very convoluted tbh. Anyway it's a soap and it's those character's morals we should be discussing not poster's.

Imo they love each other and are helping each other so the other can be happy. Phil getting the money for shirley, shirl finding out what carl did to phil. Both getting hurt /killed in the process

Well either way I'm sure Phil neither Max will let this lie low, Carl will get his comeuppance in the end especially seeing as Jake wood is on a long term contract

It was fairly straight forward actually

He's horrible she's horrible they're all horrible. He stole it wasn't her money. She should have told the police not take money cause is that all her friend was worth money?

Shame is he doesn't love her enough

How did Shirley know what the code is to Phil's safe?

Phil has treated her so bad it's unbelievable. He does not IMO love Shirley like he loved his other women. He sees her more like a best friend and someone to settle with.

If he was ever settling with her/sees her as just a friend he wouldnt have been so horrible people who settle for others dont act like phil did. Imo he was settling for sharon cos he was only bothered about her when he was feeling lonely and barely touched her.

He has almost got himself killed to make shirley happy. He didnt need to do all of this.

Steve said he is doing it cos of love and i believe him

He obviously never changed it. Another reason why cos he was that gutted when she left he never thought

Her betrayal of Lola was disgusting. Shirley took advantage of Lola's distress by manipulating her into giving her Lexi. Lola thought that Shirley was genuinely trying to help her and Lexi during a difficult time. In reality, Shirley only wanted to look after Lexi so she could rob her grandfather.


Everything Shirley does is not because of Phil. Shirley is responsible for her own actions.

Exactly


Don't know Either she beat it out of Lexi or he hasn't changed it since she lived there or it was a lucky guess.

Imo it is cos she loved him that much, she would have done anything for him

If he was settling for Sharon then he really would have had not had an affair in 1993 with his brothers wife. He was willing to accept Jacks left overs so he could be with her.

I also read in that interview how he loves working with Letitia Dean. Maybe the interviewer should ask him who he thinks his character should be with Shirley or Sharon.

Now he is. 6 years have gone past and imo he is not that bothered about her now, he wouldnt have chucked her out if he loved her that much.

He only asked her to move back in when shirl said he was alone. Yes shirley said that it was all so weird


I dont think that means any baring to if he loved shirl or not, steve wouldnt say it if it wasnt true

So it's Phil's fault that Shirley is lovesick?