Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“You do Shirley some undeserved justice there Rotter.”
“You do Shirley some undeserved justice there Rotter.”
A past it's sell by date currant bun though. Gone stale and nobody wants it.
How low can Shirley on EE go
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Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.
Originally Posted by Otis Hill:
“BIB - Shirley could easily get around this by saying something like Phil threatened to kill her if she ever came forward etc. Marsden would readily believe it because it would probably add more time to Phil's prison sentence. Very few people would actually doubt Phil threatened her.”
“BIB - Shirley could easily get around this by saying something like Phil threatened to kill her if she ever came forward etc. Marsden would readily believe it because it would probably add more time to Phil's prison sentence. Very few people would actually doubt Phil threatened her.”
Has she not heard of witness protection
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
She is a sick individual.
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
Agree!
Originally Posted by Absolute Rotter:
“She is a sick individual.”
“She is a sick individual.”
She cares only for herself money and booze.
Originally Posted by Desire_:
“He won't even care. This is Phil he doesn't care about anyone except Ben and Louise
He doesn't trust she's off them
Not in my eyes he would have told her straightaway but chose not to even though Ben had grassed his own dad to the police. Still chose Ben over her”
“He won't even care. This is Phil he doesn't care about anyone except Ben and Louise
He doesn't trust she's off them
Not in my eyes he would have told her straightaway but chose not to even though Ben had grassed his own dad to the police. Still chose Ben over her”
He hasnt told sharon about dennis so either way it doesnt matter about that, it meant more that he struggled a lot.
Well she is and they havent brought it up again, again its nothing to do with lexi now, i believe in phils love for shirley more cos he has seen her at her worst and still loves her. He has seen Sharon at her worst and isnt interested. He is only interested in sharon when shes at her best and has no issues to deal with.
Originally Posted by Sick Bullet:
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
“Incredible the lengths you go to justify Shirley, stealing from someone who is fighting for his life and using a child to do it, threatening a child and to steal from it, treated her best mate like s*** and doesn't give a dam about her own kids.
But I keep saying this over and over lol, this same rubbish again and again, Shirley please just leave the soap, oh and guys it is a losing battle.”
Cos i hate phil and he deserves everything he gets
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“If he was ever settling with her/sees her as just a friend he wouldnt have been so horrible people who settle for others dont act like phil did. Imo he was settling for sharon cos he was only bothered about her when he was feeling lonely and barely touched her.”
“If he was ever settling with her/sees her as just a friend he wouldnt have been so horrible people who settle for others dont act like phil did. Imo he was settling for sharon cos he was only bothered about her when he was feeling lonely and barely touched her.”
How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“He hasnt told sharon about dennis so either way it doesnt matter about that, it meant more that he struggled a lot.
Well she is and they havent brought it up again, again its nothing to do with lexi now, i believe in phils love for shirley more cos he has seen her at her worst and still loves her. He has seen Sharon at her worst and isnt interested. He is only interested in sharon when shes at her best and has no issues to deal with.”
“He hasnt told sharon about dennis so either way it doesnt matter about that, it meant more that he struggled a lot.
Well she is and they havent brought it up again, again its nothing to do with lexi now, i believe in phils love for shirley more cos he has seen her at her worst and still loves her. He has seen Sharon at her worst and isnt interested. He is only interested in sharon when shes at her best and has no issues to deal with.”
IMO he loves Sharon more than he can ever love Shirley. For crying out loud he cheated on her with Granny Glenda
That doesn't mean she's off them. She lied to him he didn't like that. He's only interested in Shirley when there's no one else around. He gets bored of Shirley pretty quick.
Originally Posted by Grace.:
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.”
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.
”
Absolutely. Totally true. It is Sharon that is the important one to Phil. Shirley is just a toerag.
Originally Posted by Grace.:
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.”
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.
”
This! I only started watching EE in 1996 but watched sharongate on Gold and it's evident and undeniable that Sharon was his true love.
Originally Posted by Desire_:
“IMO he loves Sharon more than he can ever love Shirley. For crying out loud he cheated on her with Granny Glenda
That doesn't mean she's off them. She lied to him he didn't like that. He's only interested in Shirley when there's no one else around. He gets bored of Shirley pretty quick.”
“IMO he loves Sharon more than he can ever love Shirley. For crying out loud he cheated on her with Granny Glenda
That doesn't mean she's off them. She lied to him he didn't like that. He's only interested in Shirley when there's no one else around. He gets bored of Shirley pretty quick.”
Tha was before he even said he loved shirl?
Hardly got bored when he still wanted to marry her after he saw sharon last year? He even said himself he wished they were still married, hardly the sign of someone who was bored
I was dreading sharons return as much as anyone but so far ive loved it.
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“Cos i hate phil and he deserves everything he gets”
“Cos i hate phil and he deserves everything he gets
”
Well at least he was trying to protect his son as misguided and ill judged as that was. As I keep saying, what were Shirley's motives in not telling the police as soon as she knew what was going on or even telling them now but instead she decides to blackmail him and when that doesn't work steal from him, using his innocent grand daughter and Lola.
How can anyone defend this awful woman is beyond me.
Originally Posted by Grace.:
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.”
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.
”
Exactly
Originally Posted by Grace.:
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.”
“How long have you been watching EastEnders for? Any long-term viewer knows that Sharon is the love of Phil's life. The Mitchell brothers were actually created for the character of Sharon. You can't rewrite the history of the show.
”
Originally Posted by Desire_:
“This! I only started watching EE in 1996 but watched sharongate on Gold and it's evident and undeniable that Sharon was his true love.”
“This! I only started watching EE in 1996 but watched sharongate on Gold and it's evident and undeniable that Sharon was his true love.”
I dont think it matters- since 1998. I know the deal with sharon back then but things change, he hadnt been with her since 2001 and hadnt seen her for 6 years when she came back. Feelings change and go over time and turn into a fantasy they wish was still there. Everything i have seen with shirley i believe in their connection far more. Sharon doesnt even love phil so it didnt matter if phil loved her he would come to realize shirley was better for him which imo i think he already has
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Well at least he was trying to protect his son as misguided and ill judged as that was. As I keep saying, what were Shirley's motives in not telling the police as soon as she knew what was going on or even telling them now but instead she decides to blackmail him and when that doesn't work steal from him, using his innocent grand daughter and Lola.
How can anyone defend this awful woman is beyond me.
Exactly”
“Well at least he was trying to protect his son as misguided and ill judged as that was. As I keep saying, what were Shirley's motives in not telling the police as soon as she knew what was going on or even telling them now but instead she decides to blackmail him and when that doesn't work steal from him, using his innocent grand daughter and Lola.
How can anyone defend this awful woman is beyond me.
Exactly
”
Its not just about heathers murder its the way he treated shirley before. I wont care for phil untill he wants to make shirley happy
Originally Posted by SMIDSYmk2:
“Shirley doesn't deserve any of te money they stole from Roxy, Roxy deserves it.”
“Shirley doesn't deserve any of te money they stole from Roxy, Roxy deserves it.”
This. If she'd taken it to give back to Roxy or to George I might have some sympathy for her but she is doing it for herself and stealing from a man who is in hospital is despicable. I don't care what Phil has done, two wrongs don't make a right.
I still don't know what he is supposed to have done to her that was so dreadful anyway. He protected his son (which I don't think was the correct or moral thing to do but I can understand why a parent would) and Shirley was one of many people hurt by that. But he didn't do it to deliberately hurt her and seems to have been upset that it did - right from the start.
As I have said several times, it is not like he sat down one day and thought to himself - I really want to hurt Shirley, how can I do it. I know, have my son kill her best friend and then force her to live in the same house as him for months and then get physical with her when she finds out about it and tried to go to the Police.
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“Tha was before he even said he loved shirl?
Hardly got bored when he still wanted to marry her after he saw sharon last year? He even said himself he wished they were still married, hardly the sign of someone who was bored
I was dreading sharons return as much as anyone but so far ive loved it.”
“Tha was before he even said he loved shirl?
Hardly got bored when he still wanted to marry her after he saw sharon last year? He even said himself he wished they were still married, hardly the sign of someone who was bored
I was dreading sharons return as much as anyone but so far ive loved it.”
He cheated on her that's the bottom line
He knows he's getting on a bit he's getting old he knows she'll have to do.
There's many more Sharon over Shirley fans. So you were probably a minority in dreading it.
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“I dont think it matters- since 1998. I know the deal with sharon back then but things change, he hadnt been with her since 2001 and hadnt seen her for 6 years when she came back. Feelings change and go over time and turn into a fantasy they wish was still there. Everything i have seen with shirley i believe in their connection far more. Sharon doesnt even love phil so it didnt matter if phil loved her he would come to realize shirley was better for him which imo i think he already has”
“I dont think it matters- since 1998. I know the deal with sharon back then but things change, he hadnt been with her since 2001 and hadnt seen her for 6 years when she came back. Feelings change and go over time and turn into a fantasy they wish was still there. Everything i have seen with shirley i believe in their connection far more. Sharon doesnt even love phil so it didnt matter if phil loved her he would come to realize shirley was better for him which imo i think he already has”
Like I keep saying he's settled for Shirley. He knows he can treat her awfully but she'll keep coming back
Originally Posted by Desire_:
“He cheated on her that's the bottom line
He knows he's getting on a bit he's getting old he knows she'll have to do.
There's many more Sharon over Shirley fans. So you were probably a minority in dreading it.”
“He cheated on her that's the bottom line
He knows he's getting on a bit he's getting old he knows she'll have to do.
There's many more Sharon over Shirley fans. So you were probably a minority in dreading it.”
Well people now hate sharon and want her to go aswell
I hated glenda affair as much as anyone but he still wanted to marry shirley even after she found out about it
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Well at least he was trying to protect his son as misguided and ill judged as that was. As I keep saying, what were Shirley's motives in not telling the police as soon as she knew what was going on or even telling them now but instead she decides to blackmail him and when that doesn't work steal from him, using his innocent grand daughter and Lola.
How can anyone defend this awful woman is beyond me.
Exactly”
“Well at least he was trying to protect his son as misguided and ill judged as that was. As I keep saying, what were Shirley's motives in not telling the police as soon as she knew what was going on or even telling them now but instead she decides to blackmail him and when that doesn't work steal from him, using his innocent grand daughter and Lola.
How can anyone defend this awful woman is beyond me.
Exactly
”
Shirley's motive was to protect Ben. Although she tried to drown him at first when she found out he killed Hev, she thought about the long term effects it would have.
By the way, of course Shirley wasn't going to let any harm come to Lexi, that is not the point. It is that she was using her as a way of gaining entry to the house , making out like she cared to Lola when all she wanted was to steal. Any whilst it may not be physically damaging and of course she won't remember, I didn't care for the way she was talking to Lexi through it "look what your Grandad is making me do".
That said, I can't believe that Phil hasn't changed the combination to the safe in over a year in fact I'm quite surprised anyone knows it but him.
That said, I can't believe that Phil hasn't changed the combination to the safe in over a year in fact I'm quite surprised anyone knows it but him.
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“Well people now hate sharon and want her to go aswell
I hated glenda affair as much as anyone but he still wanted to marry shirley even after she found out about it”
“Well people now hate sharon and want her to go aswell
I hated glenda affair as much as anyone but he still wanted to marry shirley even after she found out about it”
Yeah now because her return has been a flop
Well obviously he wanted to marry her still he was hardly gonna make long term plans with a granny. It's evident Shirley doesn't keep him happy
Originally Posted by Desire_:
“Like I keep saying he's settled for Shirley. He knows he can treat her awfully but she'll keep coming back”
“Like I keep saying he's settled for Shirley. He knows he can treat her awfully but she'll keep coming back”
Well hes paid the price for treating her bad. If he didnt treat her that bad he wouldnt still have her annoying him.
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