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Old 08-09-2013, 17:19
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Was this the same 20 grand Shirley cavorted with Phil on top of?
Yes it was. She was totally culpable in that theft - she got off on it and didn't care that Roxy was left with virtually nothing and it nearly ruined Ronnie and Jack's wedding.
It was indeed. She's already very au fait with stealing. I really think it's time she was taught a lesson.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:20
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What I don't get is this has nothing to do with Phil and Shirley, but why was he doing deals when he had money like that in the safe he could give her? they where 50 notes.
I wondered that - there must have been several thousand pounds there - if not more. Which leads me to think that it was more the buzz of his crime fix that was the main motivation.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:20
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But he already planned on getting her the money when he arranged the car deal? He was just playing her game,
He wanted to prove a point with Carl
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:21
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What I don't get is this has nothing to do with Phil and Shirley, but why was he doing deals when he had money like that in the safe he could give her? they where 50 notes.

The interviews that I read with Steve made it seem that it was pretty much even. He said that he would gladly give Shirley the money if he had it but he gave equal importance to Phil wanting a crime fix and to prove to Carl, this new kid on the block, that he still had it.

Deano tried to ignore Shirley when she first came back which is fairly understandable given that she had walked out on him as a baby and then blackmailed and threatened Kevin with revealing that he wasn't really their Dad. He got rough with her after being released from Prison but it was implied he'd gone though hell in there, plus his Dad had just died so I think he can be forgiven for not thinking straight.
Yes but shirley wouldnt accept it through that way, so he was doing it according to her blackmail hence having to get it another way, he wasnt interested in carls dodgy deals before tuesdays ep.


The actors don't write the scripts, the writers do, the above is merely McFadden' s interpretation of the script.
well bk said in his interview a couple of years ago phil loved shirley and people still dismissed it. So i dont think it matters if one of the higher profile people said it people would still dismiss it
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:23
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I thought it was great what Shirley did, especially after the whole Heather cover-up.

I hope she does even more bad deeds to Phil.
Me too
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:24
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He wanted to prove a point with Carl
It wasnt to do with him the first time shirl blackmailed him.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:25
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It wasnt to do with him the first time shirl blackmailed him.
Carl said he's not the man he was so it was to silence him too.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:25
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I wondered that - there must have been several thousand pounds there - if not more. Which leads me to think that it was more the buzz of his crime fix that was the main motivation.
He was willing to give her that money but shirley wouldnt accept it that way, if hed given. Her it out of the safe she wouldve thrown it back in his face, she didnt want his money
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:26
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Carl said he's not the man he was so it was to silence him too.
Shirl blackmailed him on the thursday and phil was arranging car deals on the friday, carl didnt bother him till the end of fridays
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:26
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He was willing to give her that money but shirley wouldnt accept it that way, if hed given. Her it out of the safe she wouldve thrown it back in his face, she didnt want his money
I'm confused now? but oh she stole it anyway now that he is out of the picture.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:27
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Shirl blackmailed him on the thursday and phil was arranging car deals on the friday, carl didnt bother him till the end of fridays
Like he said to her won't be getting anything from me. So doesn't mean it was for her.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:28
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I'm confused now? but oh she stole it anyway now that he is out of the picture.
Stealing it is different. When she found out he paid her rent she didnt like it cos it meant he was in control or whatever. He says
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:28
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Like he said to her won't be getting anything from me. So doesn't mean it was for her.
He was already arranging deals before he said that, steve said he was getting it for her
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:29
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I still dont feel sorry for phil after the way he used lexi and lola to his advantage. He deserves everything he gets

All shirley was doing was getting the key for the money. She wasnt bringing any harm to lexi or lola
Money which does not belong to her! It is not "rightfully hers", he did not steal it from her, it was not left to her by someone, he did not promise her it then renege, if you wish to put a name or term to it, then "blood money" is the nearest, money given to the family or friends of a murder victim by the perpetrator or his/her family, In return for which they do not report it or press charges.

I know you like Shirley, but surely you can see that blackmailing someone instead of reporting them for any murder or cover up, especially your supposed bff, is low behaviour, no matter what the justification.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:30
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He was already arranging deals before he said that, steve said he was getting it for her
Steve also said he loves working with Letitia
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:31
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Money which does not belong to her! It is not "rightfully hers", he did not steal it from her, it was not left to her by someone, he did not promise her it then renege, if you wish to put a name or term to it, then "blood money" is the nearest, money given to the family or friends of a murder victim by the perpetrator or his/her family, In return for which they do not report it or press charges.

I know you like Shirley, but surely you can see that blackmailing someone instead of reporting them for any murder or cover up, especially your supposed bff, is low behaviour, no matter what the justification.
She has done a lot for him so i can see her view.

She was destroyed over the cover up when she found out and by the time she couldve done anything it was too late. She only blackmailed him when he paid her rent. Its nothing about the cover up she just wants to get back at him
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:31
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Steve also said he loves working with Letitia
So that doesnt mean anything over who phil loves
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:32
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Steve also said he loves working with Letitia
Steve also said he would love Grant to return, Steve says that means nothing really to the story lines you know Mona.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:36
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So that doesnt mean anything over who phil loves
Well exactly you keep saying Steve said Steve said, see my point
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:38
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Phil and Shirley bring out the absolute worst in each other. As a couple they were vile strutting about the square as if they owned it. Sharon brings out his nicer side. She's the only one who has ever been able to tame him. As for Phil hitting Sharon, she slapped him first. Why is that not an issue? They also weren't together at the time, she was with Dennis. He also smacked his mother and I'm pretty sure he loves her.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:49
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He was willing to give her that money but shirley wouldnt accept it that way, if hed given. Her it out of the safe she wouldve thrown it back in his face, she didnt want his money
But she would have taken the money that he got from the job he was off to do with Carl? I'm really confused now.
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:49
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Its nothing to do with lexi now

Yeah but that doesnt mean he didnt love her any less later on. He has an ego. I do believe he could love her the same way shirley does now after everything thats happened they can sort of start afresh. It would have huge impact if ben came back and they were together.

I so want shirl to come back at phil and sharons wedding after he thinks hes "grieved" for her,
Why are you so convinced Phil will marry Sharon? They are not even together, and you say Shirley will return in 6 months, so in that time, Sharon has to prove she has kicked the pills, get back with Phil even though Sharon has not even visited him in hospital, get him to propose then plan a wedding and be walking down the aisle when Shirley does her Ben Braddock impression!
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Old 08-09-2013, 17:52
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You could argue that Shirley was well paid for any grief that she had to put up with during the relationship - she didn't work (except for that pitiful few weeks in the burger van and café before) and had lots of money from Phil plus she got to strut round the Square as Queen Bee for a while. If she is really entitled she should get a lawyer and sue for palimony - except she'd get nowhere as she has no dependents and brought no money into the home during their relationship.
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Old 08-09-2013, 18:00
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Yes but shirley wouldnt accept it through that way, so he was doing it according to her blackmail hence having to get it another way, he wasnt interested in carls dodgy deals before tuesdays ep.


well bk said in his interview a couple of years ago phil loved shirley and people still dismissed it. So i dont think it matters if one of the higher profile people said it people would still dismiss it
I really, really don't understand this. Okay, she wants to feel in control, that she is getting the money against his well rather than it being charity but what difference does it make where it has come from? If he says yes, you win and produces several grand how is she to know if it has come from the safe or a job he has just done with Carl? She'll only accept it if he has risked his freedom (and as it turns out life) to get it?
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Old 08-09-2013, 18:02
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Cos they had a lot of issues. It wasnt as simple as him not being happy. Sharon might have made phil happy for a while but when shirl turned up at the party he was miserable and he was still miserable the following week before he chucked her out, half the time he barely touched sharon
You don't see many of the characters touching each other in EE, yet those pregnancies keep on coming
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