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Old 08-09-2013, 22:15
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So Alfie doesn't know Ronnie's coming out and isn't happy about it, Kat's just found out as well.

Yet a few months ago, Kat had a restraining order put on her (which seems to be totally forgotten as she is
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, Alfie's moaning about Roxy never telling him (he even said to Roxy that he didn't care Ronnie was coming out! That he knew whose sister he was dating!)

I don't know if the writers just forgot or not but is this another stupid retcon? Honestly, it seems as if they are making it up as they go along?
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Old 08-09-2013, 22:25
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I think you've answered your own question, they are going back on what they previously said to accommodate the storyline to make it plausible for Ronnie to live back on the square, I guess we are to believe Kat gives her permission perhaps for her to stay in walford and Alfie is just a born liar and user when its concerning Roxy.
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Old 08-09-2013, 22:27
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I think you've answered your own question, they are going back on what they previously said to accommodate the storyline to make it plausible for Ronnie to live back on the square, I guess we are to believe Kat gives her permission perhaps for her to stay in walford and Alfie is just a born liar and user when its concerning Roxy.
I always wondered how they got past the restraining order- obviously couldn't find an imaginative way so pretend it never happened? What a way to run a soap!
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Old 08-09-2013, 22:30
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Another thing is she was sent down for 3 years and is being released after 2
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Old 08-09-2013, 22:43
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Another thing is she was sent down for 3 years and is being released after 2
Some people are released after serving less than half their sentence, a year isn't to unrealistic in soapworld.
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Old 08-09-2013, 22:48
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Alfie just needs to back off! That's Roxy sister, he shouldn't make her choose.
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Old 08-09-2013, 23:07
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I always wondered how they got past the restraining order- obviously couldn't find an imaginative way so pretend it never happened? What a way to run a soap!
I hope pretending goes away with Lorraine whats-her-name!

Her writers are taking us for a fool, they have no vision what so ever, and shes even worse for giving the scripts the go ahead, something tells me that she just never reads them!
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Old 08-09-2013, 23:22
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well we all know the conclusion to the story anyway so its just a dramatic (by that I mean unrealistic) way to get there (Kat and Alfie reunion)
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Old 08-09-2013, 23:41
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So, they brought in a reference to Ronnie about to be released off screen before they planned to ask Womack back and then when she agreed they've had to change the story?

Bit daft.
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Old 08-09-2013, 23:49
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The whole thing of Ronnie being able to come back to the square has confused me too as I remember when it was first mentioned about her being up for release Kat said she had been asked if there were any conditions she wanted and she said the only thing she had asked was for her not to be allowed to return to the area. Unless I've missed a scene where Kat has dropped this request I don't know what's changed.
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Old 08-09-2013, 23:51
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I thought what was most unrealistic was Kat going on about "having Ronnie" Ohh errr and then forgiving her at the last moment WTF B*tch?
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:02
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I can see a lot of people throwing the towel in with EastEnders due to Ronnie's return. It's pure fantasy with retcons, implausibilities, suspensions of belief and desperation. In fact it puts me in mind of another ill advised comeback from about this time 10 years ago - and that one didn't require half as many contrivances as Ronnie's return does.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:07
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Another thing is she was sent down for 3 years and is being released after 2
3 years 9 times out of 10 means 1.5 years in prison and 1.5 years on license.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:20
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3 years 9 times out of 10 means 1.5 years in prison and 1.5 years on license.
In order to be released on parole Ronnie would need a rehabilitation project and accommodations. People are not released on parole and free to do whatever they like. She would not be allowed anywhere near albert square and near her victims that's for sure.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:42
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I can see a lot of people throwing the towel in with EastEnders due to Ronnie's return. It's pure fantasy with retcons, implausibilities, suspensions of belief and desperation. In fact it puts me in mind of another ill advised comeback from about this time 10 years ago - and that one didn't require half as many contrivances as Ronnie's return does.
Kat must have changed her mind and allowed Ronnie to live in Walford. After all, a restraining order doesn't evaporate into thin air.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:42
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The whole thing of Ronnie being able to come back to the square has confused me too as I remember when it was first mentioned about her being up for release Kat said she had been asked if there were any conditions she wanted and she said the only thing she had asked was for her not to be allowed to return to the area. Unless I've missed a scene where Kat has dropped this request I don't know what's changed.
The flimsiest explanation I can come up with is that when Ronnie's sentence was extended for bad behaviour all the conditions etc were disregarded and her current release (which Kat wasnt notified about and had to ask Roxy for exact details) has a new set of conditions that says she can do whatever she wants.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:52
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It would be very unlikely that Kat would be successful in filing for a termination of the restraining order. It's fairly uncommon, as it as viewed as a waste of time.

It also depends whether Kat was granted a no contact order. In this case, it would be extremely unlikely that Ronnie would be allowed to go anywhere near the Square at all. If the court order is based solely on distance, then as long as Ronnie does not breach the specified distance, she is potentially free to go where she wants, including back to the Square.

The tricky part is the fact that Kat invites Ronnie to stay with her. In this case, they could both be breaching the court order, Ronnie, for breaching the conditions of the order, and Kat, for displaying frivolity in regards to an order issued by a court of law.

But it is possible for Ronnie to be on the Square, however it all depends on the nature of the order granted, and I can't remember if the details were ever stated.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:20
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I think you've answered your own question, they are going back on what they previously said to accommodate the storyline to make it plausible for Ronnie to live back on the square, I guess we are to believe Kat gives her permission perhaps for her to stay in walford and Alfie is just a born liar and user when its concerning Roxy.
It's not plausible no matter what - this is completely unrealistic and just below aliens landing in the square. Never in a million years would Ronnie be allowed by authorities to live near the minor she abducted and endangered.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:32
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I just sense the whole purpose of ronnie's comeback is to complete the kat moon propping tour. First they have her forgive her . Then she files a restraining order when they're is a chance ronnie could get out early. No she's going to ask ronnie to stay with her? There isn't a writer on staff that could make this plausible
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:37
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It's not plausible no matter what - this is completely unrealistic and just below aliens landing in the square. Never in a million years would Ronnie be allowed by authorities to live near the minor she abducted and endangered.
To be fair she never endangered him
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:39
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If anything this storyline cements once and for all that EastEnders has moved far away from its roots and can no longer be considered realistic in any sense of the word. Never in a million years would this storyline have come to pass in the old days. It flies in the face of everything EastEnders used to stand for. Ronnie has been an incredibly destructive character for EastEnders. The far fetched tragic heroine nonsense, the baby swap and now this ill conceived return. This character requires far too many dramatic conceits and has damaged the credibility of the show. The sense of realism EastEnders used to have is long gone. It's not solely down to Ronnie but she's the worst culprit.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:26
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I just sense the whole purpose of ronnie's comeback is to complete the kat moon propping tour. First they have her forgive her . Then she files a restraining order when they're is a chance ronnie could get out early. No she's going to ask ronnie to stay with her? There isn't a writer on staff that could make this plausible
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It is common practice for the mothers of abducted children to invite the abductor to live with themselves; the biological father and the child in question upon release. Perpetrators of such crimes also rarely face any ignominy or hostility from others and often reintegrate seamlessly into society; especially if they choose to return to the tight-knit community in which the crime was committed. All in all it is considered a rather harmless jape barely worthy of a slap on the wrist, a jape which may draw the occasional discerning remark or raised eyebrow, but such actions are usually meant purely in lighthearted jest.

I was once as ignorant as you in regards to such matters but I was educated about all these cold hard facts from some bird called Lorraine I met in a pub in Elstree a couple of weeks ago. Pissed as a fart, she was; said it was her work leaving-do or something.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:04
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It is common practice for the mothers of abducted children to invite the abductor to live with themselves; the biological father and the child in question upon release. Perpetrators of such crimes also rarely face any ignominy or hostility from others and often reintegrate seamlessly into society; especially if they choose to return to the tight-knit community in which the crime was committed. All in all it is considered a rather harmless jape barely worthy of a slap on the wrist, a jape which may draw the occasional discerning remark or raised eyebrow, but such actions are usually meant purely in lighthearted jest.

I was once as ignorant as you in regards to such matters but I was educated about all these cold hard facts from some bird called Lorraine I met in a pub in Elstree a couple of weeks ago. Pissed as a fart, she was; said it was her work leaving-do or something.
The entire scenario surrounding her return is absurd. They've asked us to suspend belief on many occasions in recent years but they've gone too far with this one in my opinion. I don't think the character of Ronnie will be done any favours with the child snatcher tag being attached to her going forwards. To bring it up all the time means she can never move on but to cast it aside and only mention it occasionally makes it look like child abduction is being lessened as a serious crime.

What the hell are they thinking? They wrote Ronnie into a very dark corner and shouldn't have brought her back as a regular character. The very notion of such a character being pushed to the forefront of the series is disgusting. Now we have the morally depraved Brannings and the manipulative child snatcher as the main stars. It's more than a bit distasteful.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:14
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I think the writing will be geared towards making Ronnie the main victim. And the characters who won't be pleased to see her back will be portrayed as narrow-minded, unsympathetic, resentful with a lynch-mob mentality.

What's also interesting is Kat being so "mature" about Ronnie. I wonder where that Kat was when she was enjoying bullying Tamwar 5 minutes ago
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:19
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I think the writing will be geared towards making Ronnie the main victim. And the characters who won't be pleased to see her back will be portrayed as narrow-minded, unsympathetic, resentful with a lynch-mob mentality.

What's also interesting is Kat being so "mature" about Ronnie. I wonder where that Kat was when she was enjoying bullying Tamwar 5 minutes ago
The thing is though, with the exception of Ronnie's super fans, isn't that how most of the viewers will react to Ronnie? The baby swap was the most controversial storyline they ever did and received much criticism from viewers. If they continue to show the other characters as unsympathetic as they have been with Alfie recently then they're effectively sticking 2 fingers up at the viewers. It wasn't enough to simply end the baby swap storyline. They should have ended the character of Ronnie too since she's the one who snatched the baby. As I said, I think this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back for quite a lot of viewers.
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