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Old 09-09-2013, 23:14
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I have both an iPad and Nexus 7 2013 Edition. Both operating systems have their pro's and con's. Most of the the popular applications are available for either platform, twitter and facebook et al.

However what I find puzzling is the lack of high production value Android apps for the tablet. You need only log onto iTunes to see the plethora of some great and not so great tabet optimised apps available. For example I have a bit of a weak spot for education/reference based applications which usually attract a price of 4+. I admire the Timeline with Dan Snow apps because they offer a lot of content for the cost it is packaged very well. Design is brilliant and makes excellent use of the iPad screen. There are other things like Collins Atlas or National Geographic World Atlas which offer beautifully detailed maps. This is ony but a few that is available, I must have spent close to 300 in the ast 18 months on such things.

Why isn't there a burgeoning tablet catalogue within Android? It has taken Twitter over 24 months since the first real Android tablet competition arrived to create an app optimised for the larger screen.

I was perusing the Play store and while it has the same high quality games available as iOS it lacks heavily in other areas. Is this a problem for the android platform specifically or something down to the developers and their laziness to code for Android tablets?

Android has the scalability, ebing able to use widgets and being more open compared to that of iOS. Yet developers only seem to take advantage of this with the smartphone in mind and not the bigger screen devices. I genuinely love my Nexus 7 as the screen is fantastic however the dearth of optimised apps is appaling and makes me consider whether it was a worthwhile investment.

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Old 09-09-2013, 23:17
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Because all apple customers are sheep and will buy any crap/eye candy from the iTunes store.

Where as Android users are smart and don't need a load of useless high priced apps .

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Old 09-09-2013, 23:21
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I have both an iPad and Nexus 7 2013 Edition. Both operating systems have their pro's and con's. Most of the the popular applications are available for either platform, twitter and facebook et al.

However what I find puzzling is the lack of high production value Android apps for the tablet. You need only log onto iTunes to see the plethora of some great and not so great tabet optimised apps available. For example I have a bit of a weak spot for education/reference based applications which usually attract a price of 4+. I admire the Timeline with Dan Snow apps because they offer a lot of content for the cost it is packaged very well. Design is brilliant and makes excellent use of the iPad screen. There are other things like Collins Atlas or National Geographic World Atlas which offer beautifully detailed maps. This is ony but a few that is available, I must have spent close to 300 in the ast 18 months on such things.

Why isn't there a burgeoning tablet catalogue within Android? It has taken Twitter over 24 months since the first real Android tablet competition arrived to create an app optimised for the larger screen.

I was perusing the Play store and while it has the same high quality games available as iOS it lacks heavily in other areas. Is this a problem for the android platform specifically or something down to the developers and their laziness to code for Android tablets?

Android has the scalability, ebing able to use widgets and being more open compared to that of iOS. Yet developers only seem to take advantage of this with the smartphone in mind and not the bigger screen devices. I genuinely love my Nexus 7 as the screen is fantastic however the dearth of optimised apps is appaling and makes me consider whether it was a worthwhile investment.

Thoughts?
It's not just you apple have a special section just for iPad applications. Google don't seem to have anywhere near the same. I think it is it due to the fact until recently there was no high end android tablets most were pretty mid range and had crappy screens. I think it will start to pick up but for a while I expect iPad are still going be better for applications on the whole.

Because all apple customers are sheep and will buy any crap/eye candy from the iTunes store.

Where as Android users are smart and don't need a load of useless high priced apps .

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He isn't saying exactly just that he has a fair point a lot of android apps aren't optimised for tablets where as there iOS counter parts are.
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Old 09-09-2013, 23:26
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It's not just you apple have a special section just for iPad applications. Google don't seem to have anywhere near the same. I think it is it due to the fact until recently there was no high end android tablets most were pretty mid range and had crappy screens. I think it will start to pick up but for a while I expect iPad are still going be better for applications on the whole.
I agree. Apple have really seen the potential in iPads and the amount of high quality apps, and the variety as well is something to be admired. In fact the variety is something that's always impressed me as there is always some unique app you can get on an iPad that you just can't get anywhere else. Like those dedicated medical apps that are being used in real life situations.

Also like you say enapace, there is a dedicated section for iPad apps and it's easy to find this and search through these apps.

Android's users are more on mobile phones than tablets. So developers have focused more on the mobile aspect than on tablets. So there are high quality apps on android, but just on mobile. Apple have a huge amount of the tablet market share so it makes sense that more apps would be dedicated to the iPad than to Android.

Also as always surveys have said that Apple users do spend more on apps each year compared to android users and developers will always go where the money is.

(This is a serious post unlike my last one)
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Old 09-09-2013, 23:30
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I agree. Apple have really seen the potential in iPads and the amount of high quality apps, and the variety as well is something to be admired. In fact the variety is something that's always impressed me as there is always some unique app you can get on an iPad that you just can't get anywhere else. Like those dedicated medical apps that are being used in real life situations.

Also like you say enapace, there is a dedicated section for iPad apps and it's easy to find this and search through these apps.

Android's users are more on mobile phones than tablets. So developers have focused more on the mobile aspect than on tablets. So there are high quality apps on android, but just on mobile. Apple have a huge amount of the tablet market share so it makes sense that more apps would be dedicated to the iPad than to Android.

Also as always surveys have said that Apple users do spend more on apps each year compared to android users and developers will always go where the money is.

(This is a serious post unlike my last one)
You know me jabba I'm not an apple fan boy but honestly I would still recommend to anyone buying a tablet to get an iPad simply because of apps available to them and OS updates. For instance I use the sky sports app for f1 whenever i am out and can't watch at home, and it is a brilliant application with all the different views you can choose. The android alternative has recently come out and I tried that and it is no where near as good not as fluid or as functional.
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Old 09-09-2013, 23:32
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You know me jabba I'm not an apple fan boy but honestly I would still recommend to anyone buying a tablet to get an iPad simply because of apps available to them. For instance I use the sky sports app for f1 and it is a brilliant application with all the different views you can choose. The android alternative has recently come out and I tried that and it is no where near as good.
Just so you know my first post was purely a troll post designed to envoke a reaction from both android and apple fanboys.

I agree, first time tablet user recommendation would be an iPad for me as well.

Although in my opinion i wouldn't buy one because of the price and because of the closed nature of the platform.
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Old 09-09-2013, 23:36
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Just so you know my first post was purely a troll post designed to envoke a reaction from both android and apple fanboys.

I agree, first time tablet user recommendation would be an iPad for me as well.

Although in my opinion i wouldn't buy one because of the price and because of the closed nature of the platform.
Must admit I was put of by the price but finally decided I was going get an iPad. When they released the 4 actually my first tablet also got a Samsung one as a gift which I hate not for being a Samsung device because i just find it so lacking. Until they bring the applications up to same point I doubt I would buy a android tablet. Everyone says nexus screens are brilliant I not used one of them for long so can't really comment on that but I find the iPad 4 screen to be immense.
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Old 09-09-2013, 23:55
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I'm a big Android fan but I can understand why the "top end" apps tend to be released on iOS only. With Apple you only have a very limited number of devices and operating systems to worry about. With Android the combination of manufacturers, hardware, screen sizes, resolutions, o/s versions is huge which makes developing and testing apps much harder and time consuming. This isn't such a problem at the bottom end of the market but if you want your customers to pay good money for your software then they have an expectation that your app will work well on their device.
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Old 10-09-2013, 00:07
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I'm a big Android fan but I can understand why the "top end" apps tend to be released on iOS only. With Apple you only have a very limited number of devices and operating systems to worry about. With Android the combination of manufacturers, hardware, screen sizes, resolutions, o/s versions is huge which makes developing and testing apps much harder and time consuming. This isn't such a problem at the bottom end of the market but if you want your customers to pay good money for your software then they have an expectation that your app will work well on their device.
Going be honest it isn't just the top end end apps a lot of of medium apps as well just simply aren't there. It very similar to how windows phone App Store is to android and iOS for phones.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:11
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Android as a tablet OS is still very new. It's about a year and a half behind Apple in terms of progress. But Google are slowly making strides to improve, especially since the success of the Nexus 7. Before then, Android hadn't really taken off on tablets and Apple controlled 90% of the market. Google now control 60% of the tablet market so things are changing.

It will be interesting to see what Google announce in October, Android has become too successful on tablets for them to ignore, improvements on that front are long overdue.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:15
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Android as a tablet OS is still very new. It's about a year and a half behind Apple in terms of progress. But Google are slowly making strides to improve, especially since the success of the Nexus 7. Before then, Android hadn't really taken off on tablets and Apple controlled 90% of the market. Google now control 60% of the tablet market so things are changing.

It will be interesting to see what Google announce in October, Android has become too successful on tablets for them to ignore, improvements on that front are long overdue.
Agreed I want them to improve but until they do I will be sticking with iPad's. I just find them even though it is a far more closed OS much more versatile at the moment. I think google are going to take at least another year to catch up with apple.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:38
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its largely down to 3rd parties now. There's nothing stopping them bringing out beautiful high end apps on Android tablets.

There's a slight issue that many Android owners aren't used to paying 4+ for a single app, but then there are plenty of apps that have different business models which work fine. Stuff like News Republic, Netflix, Flipboard and Zeebox look awesome on any size Android screen, and I don't think its coincidental that none of them rely on app purchases.

Also there's a huge difference between 10" and 7" tablets wrt interface. Android is I suspect much more popular on 7" tablets, where there really doesn't need to be a radically different interface just for tablets.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:03
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Android as a tablet OS is still very new. It's about a year and a half behind Apple in terms of progress. But Google are slowly making strides to improve, especially since the success of the Nexus 7. Before then, Android hadn't really taken off on tablets and Apple controlled 90% of the market. Google now control 60% of the tablet market so things are changing.

It will be interesting to see what Google announce in October, Android has become too successful on tablets for them to ignore, improvements on that front are long overdue.
How do you figure on Android being behind iOS as a tablet OS? As far as the OS itself is concerned, that sounds like complete and utter nonsense.

From my time with iPads, iOS feels completely wrong as a tablet OS - the icon spacing is completely and utterly wrong, it looks a little comical. And yes, I do have an iPhone ....
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:32
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Most of the best stuff is free and unlikely available on IOS.

Think of Android as a craft fair with myriad of wondrous stuff and IOS as the McDonalds where you always know the name.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:32
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How do you figure on Android being behind iOS as a tablet OS? As far as the OS itself is concerned, that sounds like complete and utter nonsense.

From my time with iPads, iOS feels completely wrong as a tablet OS - the icon spacing is completely and utterly wrong, it looks a little comical. And yes, I do have an iPhone ....
Blimey, I've heard it all now. Who'd have thought that the crucial thing about the success or otherwise of an operating system is the icon spacing?

On my android phone, the icons are 8mm square and 6mm apart (horizontally). On the ipad, they're 1.4cm square and 2cm apart. The funny thing is, I've no noticed no major loss of functionality...
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:19
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How do you figure on Android being behind iOS as a tablet OS? As far as the OS itself is concerned, that sounds like complete and utter nonsense.

From my time with iPads, iOS feels completely wrong as a tablet OS - the icon spacing is completely and utterly wrong, it looks a little comical. And yes, I do have an iPhone ....
It's not nonsence. Honeycomb 3.0 was the first version of Android that factored in tablets and Google launched that in 2011.

As a mobile OS, Android is near unbeatable, but as a tablet/PC OS it has a long way to go. Apple got away with it because their UI is simple and child like. All they had to do was enlarge the icons and it was good enough. Android has more design aspects to it, and some of those didn't translate onto larger screens which is why Google did so much work with Honeycomb 3.0 and Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0 to make Android more usable and relevant on tablets.

Their work seems to have paid off as Android is now the #1 tablet OS, but there is more that Google needs to do. On the application front Apple is ahead in tablets, and this is a selling point they have been clinging on to. Once Google gets that worked out for Android, they've won.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:49
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There are some good quality tablet apps out there. However they are not advertised as tablet apps. the same apk has one layout for phones and another one for tablets. Apps like greader, IMDB, sky+, F1 2013 timing app, live score addicts come to mind straight-away (have a look on the play store for screenshots in both formats of these apps). Thus its not easy to come across apps that are tablet optimised, as the same app will work on both phones and tablets (optimised for tablets, and not just the same screen layout as phones, but bigger).

I do agree the situation needs to be addressed by google. So it is easier to find apps that have been optimised for tablets.
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Old 10-09-2013, 13:24
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...Thus its not easy to come across apps that are tablet optimised, as the same app will work on both phones and tablets.....I do agree the situation needs to be addressed by google. So it is easier to find apps that have been optimised for tablets.
A free utility that does a job is not going to get updated to look pretty.
HD screens are the norm now on tablets and phones so new apps will be HD anyway. It is also little different in adjusting for screen size to adjusting for screen resolution.

It also serves consumers badly to want more than one market.
Decent apps come to the fore while crap ones die. There are no slogans in a free market.
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Old 10-09-2013, 13:46
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This is true. I find android apps are sub par in terms of polish and quality. In fact the android system is.

ITunes is vastly superior and this is coming from a android user. I have been doing my head in after yet another inability to use media on android. This time it was trying to get a ultraviolet copy of a bluray. Like everything, you need a 3rd party app and flickster can't bloody stream. Google music is crap and you can't effectively manage your music and media like you can on the apple platform.

Things can be long winded too and many features don't quite work well.

Android users are apparently less happy with there's phones as apple users.

The apple system still has faults but its still superior for the end user no matter what level they are.
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Old 10-09-2013, 14:03
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Blimey, I've heard it all now. Who'd have thought that the crucial thing about the success or otherwise of an operating system is the icon spacing?

On my android phone, the icons are 8mm square and 6mm apart (horizontally). On the ipad, they're 1.4cm square and 2cm apart. The funny thing is, I've no noticed no major loss of functionality...
Its the look and feel - for me iOS is absolutely fine on a mobile. It just looks and feels utterly naff on a tablet.

Android apps have been criticised for scaling up directly on tablets - which is precisely what Apple have done on the iPad.

It looks naff.
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Old 10-09-2013, 15:06
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It's not nonsence. Honeycomb 3.0 was the first version of Android that factored in tablets and Google launched that in 2011.

As a mobile OS, Android is near unbeatable, but as a tablet/PC OS it has a long way to go. Apple got away with it because their UI is simple and child like. All they had to do was enlarge the icons and it was good enough. Android has more design aspects to it, and some of those didn't translate onto larger screens which is why Google did so much work with Honeycomb 3.0 and Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0 to make Android more usable and relevant on tablets.

Their work seems to have paid off as Android is now the #1 tablet OS, but there is more that Google needs to do. On the application front Apple is ahead in tablets, and this is a selling point they have been clinging on to. Once Google gets that worked out for Android, they've won.
You're implying that changes need to be made to the os to work better on tablets. Such as?
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Old 10-09-2013, 15:56
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You're implying that changes need to be made to the os to work better on tablets. Such as?
The post actually said that Google have already done a lot to improve the tablet interface. I was talking more about the tablet specific app front which is still lacking, even with the new Holo UI conventions on upscaling the UI for tablets.
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Old 10-09-2013, 16:07
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I always get the impression that, despite the relative sizes, developers see apple customers as a more lucrative market than Android. There's a small number of devices and screen sizes they have to develop for meaning much less set up and maintenance cost. Also Apple customers are probably perceived to be less price conscious and more willing to pay large amounts for apps.

I suppose it's just mirroring the general Apple strategy. Rather than trying to please everyone, you target a large, brand aware market to maximize revenue from .
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Old 10-09-2013, 16:09
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This is true. I find android apps are sub par in terms of polish and quality. In fact the android system is.

ITunes is vastly superior and this is coming from a android user. I have been doing my head in after yet another inability to use media on android. This time it was trying to get a ultraviolet copy of a bluray. Like everything, you need a 3rd party app and flickster can't bloody stream. Google music is crap and you can't effectively manage your music and media like you can on the apple platform.

Things can be long winded too and many features don't quite work well.

Android users are apparently less happy with there's phones as apple users.

The apple system still has faults but its still superior for the end user no matter what level they are.
I have to say I am inclined to agree with some of your sentiments regarding Android. The problem I find with the whole ecosystem is the lack of finesse and polish given to most third party apps. Google is generally successful with its own contibrutions to the platform, however apps such as Facebook and Twitter (though not vastly different to their iOS cousins) leave a lot to be desired.

I think the problem with Android is that it is its own worst enemy. Google has designed a system with so much scale it has become somewhat unweildly as it has matured. Yes they have added polish but at what expense? I challenge any average consumer to be able to pick up an android phone and take advantage of its extensive features from the outset. Android feels very much like a desktop OS converted for the mobile world. It is open, and this has many benefits, but simplicity it lacks. Plus as already mentioned the reluctance of Android users to pay for premium apps discourages development. I am a technology geek so I like all things to do with smartphone, new Android and iOS releases excite me. The ability to have new features and exploit them is fun and enlightening.

The problem we have at the moment is growth in marketshare for Android is as a result of the market being flooded with phones at differing price points, whilst this is good for the consumer in terms of price and competition, the fragmented installation of Android versions is damaging the user experience over the longer term. What I find largely puzzling is the lack of colour in stock Android experience though it is consistent across devices it likes warmth and soul. Compare this against the bright colourful implementations of HTC devices, it leaves a lot to be desired. My fear is Android is designed by geeks for geeks, when UX and simplicity are often an after thought. Maybe this will change with KitKat and Google will offer a new colour palette for Android.

The current approach isn't sustainable in the long term, manufacturers sooner or later are going to abandon Android because of the market dominance of Samsung (expansive supply chain etc). When the high street shopper is introduced to Android its unfortunate that Samsung is usually the first to roll off the tongue. Apple has the benefit I suppose of being vertically integrated but this does come at a cost. Android was supposed to be a completely open platform, developed in conjunction with manufacturers and end users....the latter of which has never happened.

One of my biggest gripes with how Google develops Android it is done behind closed doors with little or next to no mass market testing. All the major software companies will release beta versions of the product to the development community at large to stress test it on a large scale, this allows for easier bug tracking and more useful telemetry data on a industry wide scale. While doesn't google follow this model? I suspect Android would come on leaps and bounds if Google released preview code for the next OS to developers so they could properly test it and optimise their apps around it.

Microsoft does this with Windows releasing various previews, as does Apple with iOS and its OSX related products. There is a reason these operating systems have polish and quality, and Android does not. The irony is Android being one of the most open platforms is also one of the most closed in its development something Google assured it wouldn't do when it joined or created the OHA.

As you mention iTunes.....if I could manage and buy apps/music on the desktop away from it I would. iTunes at least for windows has to be the most bloated, buggy, cumbersome piece of shit to have ever come out the doors from Apple. How they even have the nerve to claim its exceptional performance is beyond me, maybe on Mac but Windows is dire. Apple has some of the most talented coders in the world and yet year after year they still release the pile of turd that is iTunes. The software is a piss take, I would wage a bet that Windows Media Player is far superior and even then I feel like I am clutching at straws (as you can see it grinds my gears somewhat lol).
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Old 10-09-2013, 17:17
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The problem we have at the moment is growth in marketshare for Android is as a result of the market being flooded with phones at differing price points, whilst this is good for the consumer in terms of price and competition, the fragmented installation of Android versions is damaging the user experience over the longer term. What I find largely puzzling is the lack of colour in stock Android experience though it is consistent across devices it likes warmth and soul. Compare this against the bright colourful implementations of HTC devices, it leaves a lot to be desired. My fear is Android is designed by geeks for geeks, when UX and simplicity are often an after thought. Maybe this will change with KitKat and Google will offer a new colour palette for Android.
The lack of colour is a statement I would expect to hear from teenage girls. I have never bought a piece of electronic kit just because it looks nice. Functionality comes first. One possible reason why stock android has a lack of colour (although its not something I have noticed on my Nexus 10 tablet), is you install the launcher you want. You then apply your chosen skin to the launcher, you can then if you want, apply an icon set of your choice (all from the play store, so no geek knowledge required). Thus you can customise your phone to your taste. Of course you dont have to do any of this, and your phone will work. The problem with apple, is you are stuck with what they want to give you. You dont like the new look iOS7, tough. You dont like the dialler, tough. You dont like the message app, tough. With android you have a plethora of choices when it comes to the launcher, dialler, message app etc.

Have a look in XDA forums, and see some of the screens some users have...it will blow your mind.
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