Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 13:49

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Apple's share has fallen because of the price of the 5C:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24058630

The reason they give is that Apple doesn't cover as wide a range of price points as their competition.

But Apple have never done that, so it seems strange that investors should be so surprised now.

Its not as though they've been clamouring for Apple to bring out a £300 laptop.

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 13:56

Whilstits off original topic both my kids (15 and 14 year olds) have Nexus 4s. Both phones are a year old and were pristine until about a month ago. One still is, the other has a broken back panel due to an accidental drop onto concrete. Both phones are still fully functional though ......

I dont think the build quality of the Nexus 4 is any better or worse than most other handsets. Google just seemes to take a stance that they were more interested in revenue from users rather than revenue from handsets. Android handset manufacturers have to make money out of the handsets as they dont currently have that 'user income'. Apple have taken another route (and have historically liked to take a much larger cut for a profit margin). They want to make profit out of their users AND from the hardware. Take a high end Android vs an iPhone and you will find the production costs of the Android were higher than the production costs of the Apple unit as the profit margin is less. What pecentage of each was spent on 'build quality' vs 'component specs' is harder to define. Either way those Apple users who constantly state that they are paying for quality must, deep down, realise that they probably arent - and that all they are doing is lining Apples pockets with a bank balance bigger than many countries.

Every user should choose what phone is best for them. go to a shop, have a play, and then make an educated decision. If its Android, fine. If its Windows, fine. Even if its temotation towards the Dark Lords of Apple then 'sort of fine'. Its the 'blind faith' i cant figure out........ the queuing around the block to buy a product that you have never actualy seen or touched, simply because of the logo. I find all that very strange and more than a little sad.

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 14:00

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

The reason they give is that Apple doesn't cover as wide a range of price points as their competition.

But Apple have never done that, so it seems strange that investors should be so surprised now.

Its not as though they've been clamouring for Apple to bring out a £300 laptop.

no but the press had been hyping up the fact that a budget handset was on the way to allegedly help Apple compete with the lower end handset market. That thought, in addition to the significant Apple stock buy-backs, had pushed up the Apple stock price in recent weeks.

Once the new product was revealed at a much higher price than predicted it seems that the market is confused (as are many pundits) where exactly the 5c will fit in.

None of the above is Apples fault at all as it has mostly been speculation - but thats often how the markets work.

paulbrock · 12-09-2013, 14:28

plus various rumours about having an Apple watch or Apple tv set coming out as a 'surprise' won't have helped.

grumpyoldbat · 12-09-2013, 15:01

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Out of interest, what would you say were some of the most extreme things said on either side of the discussion?

I think something like "its piece of shit" might be one extreme, but I'd struggle to think of an equivalent at the other end of the scale.

And if I answered that, I'd be getting dragged into the argument. No thanks!

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 15:08

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Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat

And if I answered that, I'd be getting dragged into the argument. No thanks!

well played Grumps

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 15:18

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Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat

And if I answered that, I'd be getting dragged into the argument. No thanks!

You won't get an argument from me.

I think we both know that only one side of the discussion has been posting anything quite so ridiculous.

Unless anyone actually thinks something like:

From early reports it sounds as though the iPhone 5C is pretty sturdy for a plastic phone.

is as extreme as:

Its a piece of embarrassing shit.

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Stuart_h

no but the press had been hyping up the fact that a budget handset was on the way to allegedly help Apple compete with the lower end handset market. That thought, in addition to the significant Apple stock buy-backs, had pushed up the Apple stock price in recent weeks.

Once the new product was revealed at a much higher price than predicted it seems that the market is confused (as are many pundits) where exactly the 5c will fit in.

None of the above is Apples fault at all as it has mostly been speculation - but thats often how the markets work.

Sure - but if investors are investing on the strength of rumour and hearsay (and rumour and hearsay about Apple doing something they don't usually do), that's their look out.

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Whilstits off original topic both my kids (15 and 14 year olds) have Nexus 4s. Both phones are a year old and were pristine until about a month ago. One still is, the other has a broken back panel due to an accidental drop onto concrete. Both phones are still fully functional though ......

I dont think the build quality of the Nexus 4 is any better or worse than most other handsets. Google just seemes to take a stance that they were more interested in revenue from users rather than revenue from handsets. Android handset manufacturers have to make money out of the handsets as they dont currently have that 'user income'. Apple have taken another route (and have historically liked to take a much larger cut for a profit margin). They want to make profit out of their users AND from the hardware. Take a high end Android vs an iPhone and you will find the production costs of the Android were higher than the production costs of the Apple unit as the profit margin is less. What pecentage of each was spent on 'build quality' vs 'component specs' is harder to define. Either way those Apple users who constantly state that they are paying for quality must, deep down, realise that they probably arent - and that all they are doing is lining Apples pockets with a bank balance bigger than many countries.

Every user should choose what phone is best for them. go to a shop, have a play, and then make an educated decision. If its Android, fine. If its Windows, fine. Even if its temotation towards the Dark Lords of Apple then 'sort of fine'. Its the 'blind faith' i cant figure out........ the queuing around the block to buy a product that you have never actualy seen or touched, simply because of the logo. I find all that very strange and more than a little sad.

Its not really blind faith though, is it? I have an iPhone 4 still, and will probably upgrade next year. I won't be upgrading on blind faith, I'll be upgrading with an entirely realistic expectation that the new model will be a great phone, that does everything I want and need it to do.

I'd certainly never queue up and absolutely agree it seems a little OTT, but there was an interesting article, I think in the Guardian last year, when the journalist went to queue. The jist of the article was about how surprised at how it wasn't the cliche of sad Apple fans being sad Apple fans, but a big part of it was really the social aspect of it.

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 15:39

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Its not really blind faith though, is it? I have an iPhone 4 still, and will probably upgrade next year. I won't be upgrading on blind faith, I'll be upgrading with an entirely realistic expectation that the new model will be a great phone, that does everything I want and need it to do.

I'd certainly never queue up and absolutely agree it seems a little OTT, but there was an interesting article, I think in the Guardian last year, when the journalist went to queue. The jist of the article was about how surprised at how it wasn't the cliche of sad Apple fans being sad Apple fans, but a big part of it was really the social aspect of it.

But you wouldnt rush to buy the new version of your smeg fridge each year, or the latest mondeo based on a Ford presentation ? Or upgrade your Dell PC as 'there is a new model out' ..... there are very few brands that have quite the same brand-loyalty as Apple. Problems with the antennae ? People still buy it..... Handsets scratched in the box ? the same. If that had been an HTC or a Sony it would have died a very quick death. Its obviously been an era of very clever marketing by Apple but there is a percentage of its clientelle that will buy anything with an Apple logo on it. I know a few personally.

With Android (maybe excluding the avid 'Galaxy' brigade) people tend to swap and change between handset makers. Find what model is best for them.

Dan Sette · 12-09-2013, 15:41

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

plus various rumours about having an Apple watch or Apple tv set coming out as a 'surprise' won't have helped.

I suspect it may be a while before we see the iWatch.

With the information that has been given to date, it wouldn't surprise me if the iWatch (should it exist) only work with the additional M7 processor. Currently only found on the 5S.

Mark in Essex · 12-09-2013, 16:03

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Originally Posted by pollyuk

mine and my partners are still going after 10 months, can ask him how other peoples in his office are going as i know most bought them. sorry but im not willing to trust someone that talks about knowing 5 people and they were all broken in 3 months.

i had a samsung and it broke.