Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

Faust · 12-09-2013, 17:37

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it is over 3 times the price of the n4 and a lower spec!

And the wristwatch I'm wearing at the present time is a fraction of the price of a Rolex yet both tell the time, what's you're point?

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 17:39

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well, refusenik DoCoMo in Japan are now paying a massive gamble price for not carrying the iPhone.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...will-be-iphone

They supposedly signed up to a quota where 40% of all sales have to be iPhones. As much a gamble as those in the EU who had to sell a minimum quota? Choice, is it a mirage?

What's your point?

From your article:

"the carrier — according to Nikkei — offered the 40 percent quota"

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 17:44

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Depends what videos you are talking about. Movies are not 16:9 (or 16:10). ...

Nope but is is 16:9 in the home now, only even wider at the cinema.

Yet there is a whole catalogue of old stuff designed for good old 4:3 CRT.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 17:47

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Nope but is is 16:9 in the home now, only even wider at the cinema.

Yet there is a whole catalogue of old stuff designed for good old 4:3 CRT.

Only the tv is 16:9, the movies you watch on it (even at home) are not. Unless you are watching a cropped picture.

So why choose 16:9 (or 16:10) for a table? What advantage does it bring?

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Faust

And the wristwatch I'm wearing at the present time is a fraction of the price of a Rolex yet both tell the time, what's you're point?

neither your watch nor a rolex will make your phone calls, whats YOUR point ?

apples and oranges ......

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 17:50

Actually, I'm going to stop this conversation now as I don't what to divert this thread any further.

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 18:02

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

"the carrier — according to Nikkei — offered the 40 percent quota"

Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price.

Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want.

PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why.

Faust · 12-09-2013, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Stuart_h

neither your watch nor a rolex will make your phone calls, whats YOUR point ?

apples and oranges ......

The point being all products have price points and products that do the same job come in wildly differing prices.

No one is forcing me you or anyone else to buy any particular product or buy from any particular manufacturer.

If I wanted an iPhone I would buy one, as it happens I prefer my Galaxy. You have to respect the views of others, simple.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 18:14

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price.

Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want.

PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why.

They are a business and they did have a choice. They obviously think that the terms they have signed are good for there business.

Cannot comment on your price statement as that is not mentioned.

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 18:17

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price.

Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want.

PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why.

Ah, OK.

Unlike you I wasn't privy to the negotiations.

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 18:25

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Ah, OK.Unlike you I wasn't privy to the negotiations.

Well, why else would anyone be stupid enough to guarantee a 40% quota?

Losing customers to those networks who paid the Apple price, common sense says they negotiated from a weaker position.

From a network perspective the iPhone is maybe quite attractive too. IOS exerts a far higher degree of control on the user.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 18:28

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well, why else would anyone be stupid enough to guarantee a 40% quota?

Losing customers to those networks who paid the Apple price, common sense says they negotiated from a weaker position.

Why do you think they are stupid? Do you think they will not gain customers and make money on the deal?

I think they might know a little more about negotiating a deal than you (but like you, I'm just guessing).

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 18:36

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Why do you think they are stupid?

Well it certainly won't help them for customers to know that they are taking part in any quota system.

Yet it might help any would be customer negotiate better.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 18:42

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well it certainly won't help them for customers to know that they are taking part in any quota system.

Yet it might help any would be customer negotiate better.

I'm finding it hard to take this seriously. I imagine the first thought of everyone who goes to buy a phone is "oh no, I'm part of a quota system"

what quotas have they signed up with for other companies?

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 19:06

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Originally Posted by kidspud

what quotas have they signed up with for other companies?

What has that got to do with DoMoCo?
Anyway, rumours had it that EU networks signed up for a minimum iPhone sale total, not a percent quota.

And a bigger story is maybe around who leaked this Japanese info, if true. Its has massive implications in that when contract renewal comes up, persuading that knowing DoMoCo customer to renew and upgrade now becomes harder.

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I'm finding it hard to take this seriously.

As I'm only saying what I think, maybe you can pick the flaws in what I say and offer some alternatives.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 19:20

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

What has that got to do with DoMoCo?
Anyway, rumours had it that EU networks signed up for a minimum iPhone sale total, not a percent quota.

And a bigger story is maybe around who leaked this Japanese info, if true. Its has massive implications in that when contract renewal comes up, persuading that knowing DoMoCo customer to renew and upgrade now becomes harder.

I'm talking about DoMoCo. What agreements do they have with other phone suppliers? I assume you know?

What do you mean, bigger story. This is struggling to be a story at all.

Why will it be harder, do you really think customers have the slightest interest in the business agreement a network has with a supplier

Are you actually being serious?

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 19:41

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Originally Posted by kidspud

....

Are you actually being serious?

You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story,

Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet.

Stuart_h · 12-09-2013, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Faust

The point being all products have price points and products that do the same job come in wildly differing prices.

No one is forcing me you or anyone else to buy any particular product or buy from any particular manufacturer.

If I wanted an iPhone I would buy one, as it happens I prefer my Galaxy. You have to respect the views of others, simple.

Whilst my reply was a tad flippant you will see in my posting history that I have always suggested people buy the right phone for them regardless of what the choice might be.

what i dont agree with is the 'must have the latest xxxxx' approach whether that be Apple or Samsung or Dyson

Whilst I may be interested in seeing what the new Nexus has to offer if it turns out to be a duffer I will look elsewhere. I wouldnt queue round the block to buy it unseen. Get the right phone for you rather than following the crowd (whatever that crowd may be).....

just my opinion obviously.

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 20:09

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I imagine the first thought of everyone who goes to buy a phone is "oh no, I'm part of a quota system"

I can't imagine that at all!

calico_pie · 12-09-2013, 20:10

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story,

Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet.

If you find them interesting, I would have thought you would have gotten to the bit in the article about what DoCoMo wanted from Apple.

It seems reasonable to think that the two parties negotiated a deal that both parties were happy with.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 20:12

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story,

Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet.

I'm asking you questions about quotas. You have emphasised the quota signed with apple and speculated this would impied the provider.

That is why I'm interested whether you know what other quotas they have signed up to and how that is different to the apple deals.

alanwarwic · 12-09-2013, 20:38

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Originally Posted by kidspud

...That is why I'm interested whether you know..

Well I often enough get told where I go wrong so having to face a question and answer session to find the holes looks quite a positive to me.

kidspud · 12-09-2013, 21:19

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well I often enough get told where I go wrong so having to face a question and answer session to find the holes looks quite a positive to me.

Don't bother then. It wasn't that interesting.

tdenson · 12-09-2013, 23:18

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Originally Posted by IanP

Apples idea of what constitutes a budget handset shows they are firmly in cloud cuckoo land.

Please tell me where Apple have ever described the 5C as a budget handset. This was wishful thinking with the rumours.

d123 · 12-09-2013, 23:25

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Originally Posted by tdenson

Please tell me where Apple have ever described the 5C as a budget handset. This was wishful thinking with the rumours.

You are right, bloggers and forums thought it would be a budget handset, Apple have never called it that.

Though I do think they have missed an opportunity, it should have been £369 rather than £469, people will hp just spend the extra £80 for the 5s (unless that was Apples idea all along).

The 5c will be popular on cheaper contracts than the 5s though.

12-09-2013, 17:37	#276
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by pollyuk it is over 3 times the price of the n4 and a lower spec! And the wristwatch I'm wearing at the present time is a fraction of the price of a Rolex yet both tell the time, what's you're point?

12-09-2013, 17:39	#277
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well, refusenik DoCoMo in Japan are now paying a massive gamble price for not carrying the iPhone. http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...will-be-iphone They supposedly signed up to a quota where 40% of all sales have to be iPhones. As much a gamble as those in the EU who had to sell a minimum quota? Choice, is it a mirage? What's your point? From your article: "the carrier — according to Nikkei — offered the 40 percent quota"

12-09-2013, 17:44	#278
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Depends what videos you are talking about. Movies are not 16:9 (or 16:10). ... Nope but is is 16:9 in the home now, only even wider at the cinema. Yet there is a whole catalogue of old stuff designed for good old 4:3 CRT.

12-09-2013, 17:47	#279
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Nope but is is 16:9 in the home now, only even wider at the cinema. Yet there is a whole catalogue of old stuff designed for good old 4:3 CRT. Only the tv is 16:9, the movies you watch on it (even at home) are not. Unless you are watching a cropped picture. So why choose 16:9 (or 16:10) for a table? What advantage does it bring?

12-09-2013, 17:49	#280
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust And the wristwatch I'm wearing at the present time is a fraction of the price of a Rolex yet both tell the time, what's you're point? neither your watch nor a rolex will make your phone calls, whats YOUR point ? apples and oranges ......

12-09-2013, 17:50	#281
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Actually, I'm going to stop this conversation now as I don't what to divert this thread any further.

12-09-2013, 18:02	#282
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie "the carrier — according to Nikkei — offered the 40 percent quota" Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price. Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want. PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why.

12-09-2013, 18:07	#283
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h neither your watch nor a rolex will make your phone calls, whats YOUR point ? apples and oranges ...... The point being all products have price points and products that do the same job come in wildly differing prices. No one is forcing me you or anyone else to buy any particular product or buy from any particular manufacturer. If I wanted an iPhone I would buy one, as it happens I prefer my Galaxy. You have to respect the views of others, simple.

12-09-2013, 18:14	#284
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price. Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want. PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why. They are a business and they did have a choice. They obviously think that the terms they have signed are good for there business. Cannot comment on your price statement as that is not mentioned.

12-09-2013, 18:17	#285
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Why, because they were left with no choice. As last one in they get to pay the highest price. Yet Apple's main sales are with network sellers so obviously offering a free perceived £469 phone is what they want. PAYG contract free buyers are likely a minority and it is easy to see why. Ah, OK. Unlike you I wasn't privy to the negotiations.

12-09-2013, 18:25	#286
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Ah, OK.Unlike you I wasn't privy to the negotiations. Well, why else would anyone be stupid enough to guarantee a 40% quota? Losing customers to those networks who paid the Apple price, common sense says they negotiated from a weaker position. From a network perspective the iPhone is maybe quite attractive too. IOS exerts a far higher degree of control on the user.

12-09-2013, 18:28	#287
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well, why else would anyone be stupid enough to guarantee a 40% quota? Losing customers to those networks who paid the Apple price, common sense says they negotiated from a weaker position. Why do you think they are stupid? Do you think they will not gain customers and make money on the deal? I think they might know a little more about negotiating a deal than you (but like you, I'm just guessing).

12-09-2013, 18:36	#288
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Why do you think they are stupid? Well it certainly won't help them for customers to know that they are taking part in any quota system. Yet it might help any would be customer negotiate better.

12-09-2013, 18:42	#289
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well it certainly won't help them for customers to know that they are taking part in any quota system. Yet it might help any would be customer negotiate better. I'm finding it hard to take this seriously. I imagine the first thought of everyone who goes to buy a phone is "oh no, I'm part of a quota system" what quotas have they signed up with for other companies?

12-09-2013, 19:06	#290
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud what quotas have they signed up with for other companies? What has that got to do with DoMoCo? Anyway, rumours had it that EU networks signed up for a minimum iPhone sale total, not a percent quota. And a bigger story is maybe around who leaked this Japanese info, if true. Its has massive implications in that when contract renewal comes up, persuading that knowing DoMoCo customer to renew and upgrade now becomes harder. Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud I'm finding it hard to take this seriously. As I'm only saying what I think, maybe you can pick the flaws in what I say and offer some alternatives.

12-09-2013, 19:20	#291
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic What has that got to do with DoMoCo? Anyway, rumours had it that EU networks signed up for a minimum iPhone sale total, not a percent quota. And a bigger story is maybe around who leaked this Japanese info, if true. Its has massive implications in that when contract renewal comes up, persuading that knowing DoMoCo customer to renew and upgrade now becomes harder. I'm talking about DoMoCo. What agreements do they have with other phone suppliers? I assume you know? What do you mean, bigger story. This is struggling to be a story at all. Why will it be harder, do you really think customers have the slightest interest in the business agreement a network has with a supplier Are you actually being serious?

12-09-2013, 19:41	#292
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud .... Are you actually being serious? You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story, Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet.

12-09-2013, 20:07	#293
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust The point being all products have price points and products that do the same job come in wildly differing prices. No one is forcing me you or anyone else to buy any particular product or buy from any particular manufacturer. If I wanted an iPhone I would buy one, as it happens I prefer my Galaxy. You have to respect the views of others, simple. Whilst my reply was a tad flippant you will see in my posting history that I have always suggested people buy the right phone for them regardless of what the choice might be. what i dont agree with is the 'must have the latest xxxxx' approach whether that be Apple or Samsung or Dyson Whilst I may be interested in seeing what the new Nexus has to offer if it turns out to be a duffer I will look elsewhere. I wouldnt queue round the block to buy it unseen. Get the right phone for you rather than following the crowd (whatever that crowd may be)..... just my opinion obviously.

12-09-2013, 20:09	#294
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud I imagine the first thought of everyone who goes to buy a phone is "oh no, I'm part of a quota system" I can't imagine that at all!

12-09-2013, 20:10	#295
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story, Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet. If you find them interesting, I would have thought you would have gotten to the bit in the article about what DoCoMo wanted from Apple. It seems reasonable to think that the two parties negotiated a deal that both parties were happy with.

12-09-2013, 20:12	#296
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic You started asking questions about quotas, yet now you tell us there is no story, Now who is confusing who? Marketing deals are an interesting subject to me. It also predicts the future which on the face of it, it looks good for Apple, even if not under the carpet. I'm asking you questions about quotas. You have emphasised the quota signed with apple and speculated this would impied the provider. That is why I'm interested whether you know what other quotas they have signed up to and how that is different to the apple deals.

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Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

12-09-2013, 20:38	#297
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud ...That is why I'm interested whether you know.. Well I often enough get told where I go wrong so having to face a question and answer session to find the holes looks quite a positive to me.

12-09-2013, 21:19	#298
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well I often enough get told where I go wrong so having to face a question and answer session to find the holes looks quite a positive to me. Don't bother then. It wasn't that interesting.

12-09-2013, 23:18	#299
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by IanP Apples idea of what constitutes a budget handset shows they are firmly in cloud cuckoo land. Please tell me where Apple have ever described the 5C as a budget handset. This was wishful thinking with the rumours.

12-09-2013, 23:25	#300
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson Please tell me where Apple have ever described the 5C as a budget handset. This was wishful thinking with the rumours. You are right, bloggers and forums thought it would be a budget handset, Apple have never called it that. Though I do think they have missed an opportunity, it should have been £369 rather than £469, people will hp just spend the extra £80 for the 5s (unless that was Apples idea all along). The 5c will be popular on cheaper contracts than the 5s though.