Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

calico_pie · 15-09-2013, 12:34

Presumably no mugger would be so rude as to threaten someone to make them tell them the passcode anyway. They're polite like that.

swordman · 15-09-2013, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

No, but it is a big part of it.

What is clear is you not liking a certain design (even with your balanced view

) has no effect on the quality of a product.

No what is clear is you made a statement that they build quality products and somehow made that about build quality which is one factor out of many.

How appearance isn't a factor in this "quality" is frankly a little baffling also.

paulbrock · 15-09-2013, 13:06

Lots of my friends use pattern locks (unavailable on iphone, right?). Presumably thats quicker than entering a PIN, though according to google, less secure.
http://cdn.androidcentral.com/sites/...ouchwiz132.jpg

If it was only PIN or password, I would imagine fewer would bother..

Thine Wonk · 15-09-2013, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

Lots of my friends use pattern locks (unavailable on iphone, right?). Presumably thats quicker than entering a PIN, though according to google, less secure.

Yeah, just look on the phone in good light and you can see the swipe pattern!

paulbrock · 15-09-2013, 13:16

if you looked at it immediately after someone entered it perhaps. but then it would be unlocked anyway....

Bill Clinton · 15-09-2013, 13:41

What are the actual stats of these models? It's comedy that a rumoured budget phone (the IPhone 5C) actually turned out to be released at the same sort of price as the Samsung Galaxy S4.

As an Android fan I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on.
Getting an Android model now is more and more of a no brainer as time goes on, the exclusivity of the apps will also be weakening with time as Android now has more installed users over IPhone.
The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple, Apple are only beating Android with tablets, it is justice really given how much they have been ripping people off.

flagpole · 15-09-2013, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

Presumably no mugger would be so rude as to threaten someone to make them tell them the passcode anyway. They're polite like that.

no i'm sure they would.

but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb?

you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many.

pi r squared · 15-09-2013, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Yeah, just look on the phone in good light and you can see the swipe pattern!

Mixed in amongst the marks and remains of every other swipe and touch the user has made on that phone. You can "see" the swipe patten in the same way that if I showed you a billion digits of pi, you could "see" everyone's 4-digit PIN code.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

What are the actual stats of these models?

Apple usually don't go for giving information on the actual stats/processing power of their phones, with the argument that at the end of the day, how the device performs on a day-to-day basis is more important than stats and figures. Which, I kind of agree with actually - the benchmark pissing contest doesn't really do any favours. Back in the day when, say, TouchWiz on Samsung phones was a bloated piece of crap, it didn't matter that they had the fastest phone on the market - the UX was bad. Nowadays, manufacturers realise that and have been cutting the fat off their "additions" to improve the UX as well as making their phones faster.

All of this makes it more surprising that Apple are making a big deal of the 64-bit thing. A few years ago it was Apple for the everyman and Android for the geeks and techies - customisation! Flashing ROMs! GHz!! - and whilst there are now blurred lines (apologies if that brought back to mind that hideous Miley Cyrus image) between them in that regard, I just can't imagine the "it just works" Apple of a few years ago talking about processors or bits or OpenGL ES 3. Maybe they always did and I have only just noticed it, but to me it feels like they are making an interesting switch from bigging up the user experience to bigging up the hardware powering it.

KieranDS · 15-09-2013, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple.

Well, of course they are.

Samsung have around 20 different models of phone's out at a time in different price ranges. Apple sell only 3 models at a time.

calico_pie · 15-09-2013, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

no i'm sure they would.

but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb?

you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many.

I'm saying if a mugger can likely get a passcode out of someone by threatening to, I dunno, cut off their finger....

They should be able to get someone to just unlock a phone with their finger just by threatening them without actually having to cut their finger off.

alanwarwic · 15-09-2013, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

...I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on. ...

If you look at their laptops it is less exaggerated, in that they do include a premium laptop screen in their Pro range.
Here, they went 64 bit to differentiate staying behind par with regards to the screens.

It is only the iPad Retina that now has a screen classed as premium.

kidspud · 15-09-2013, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

No what is clear is you made a statement that they build quality products and somehow made that about build quality which is one factor out of many.

How appearance isn't a factor in this "quality" is frankly a little baffling also.

Appearance has very little to do with quality.

However, your view on its appearance has no effect on quality.

swordman · 15-09-2013, 15:54

So appearance is not an important factor in the quality of a device

it can be built well but look like a bag of spanners and thats fine .. very odd view

flagpole · 15-09-2013, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

I'm saying if a mugger can likely get a passcode out of someone by threatening to, I dunno, cut off their finger....

They should be able to get someone to just unlock a phone with their finger just by threatening them without actually having to cut their finger off.

regardless of the logic. it will happen.

maybe a mugger might want to knock someone out and take their thumb.

kidspud · 15-09-2013, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

So appearance is not an important factor in the quality of a device

it can be built well but look like a bag of spanners and thats fine .. very odd view

It is not very odd at all.

For example, yesterday I went to look at a BMW 600 series. Now, it was a very high quality product. It was well built, used premium materials, was reliable, etc, etc. however, I didn't think it look very attractive (from both the front and back). I didn't walk away thinking its quality had suddenly dropped, especially as appearance is subjective.

Besides, I've read a few reviews of the 5c and none of them have said anything negative about the look of the phone.

swordman · 15-09-2013, 16:47

:yawn: cars again

However you wouldn't drive in one so pretty important

The internet is awash with piss taking around the 5c

flagpole · 15-09-2013, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Besides, I've read a few reviews of the 5c and none of them have said anything negative about the look of the phone.

Do you have a view about the look of the phone? the 5c i mean? because i think it looks like a toy for young girls.

i don't mind it being made of plastic. it's the shape and the colours. looks like this

TheBigM · 15-09-2013, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

no i'm sure they would.

but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb?

you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many.

No because the system is capacitive and looks at the living layer of cells underneath the surface of the finger. It wouldn't work (or so we're meant to believe) unless the thumb was still attached to someone's body.

I was recently mugged, the b******s stole my wallet and my phone but didn't ask me for my bank card pin no.s or my phone pin. Muggers aren't the sharpest tools around.

kidspud · 15-09-2013, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

Do you have a view about the look of the phone? the 5c i mean? because i think it looks like a toy for young girls.

i don't mind it being made of plastic. it's the shape and the colours. looks like this

I've already said earlier in this thread that I wouldn't buy one, however, I cannot imagine it is aimed at me. I've not seen one and don't expect to for a couple of weeks.

I've seen nokia phones which are plastic and coloured and never thought they looked like a toy.

Just looked at your link. If you think the 5c looks like that, then I'm either looking at something completely different, or I assume you are joking.

kidspud · 15-09-2013, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

:yawn: cars again

However you wouldn't drive in one so pretty important

The internet is awash with piss taking around the 5c

I'm talking about reviews, not trolls.

linkinpark875 · 15-09-2013, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

What are the actual stats of these models? It's comedy that a rumoured budget phone (the IPhone 5C) actually turned out to be released at the same sort of price as the Samsung Galaxy S4.

As an Android fan I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on.
Getting an Android model now is more and more of a no brainer as time goes on, the exclusivity of the apps will also be weakening with time as Android now has more installed users over IPhone.
The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple, Apple are only beating Android with tablets, it is justice really given how much they have been ripping people off.

The apple store has better quality apps.

And Samsung had a lead well before Apple came in. Infact it was around 2007 and the after the Nokia N95 which Apple dominated more than Apple. Sony Ericsson were releasing good camera and Walkman devices similar to Apples policy but lacked Samsung features.

Anybody who uses Android and is a fan tends to avoid Samsung and goes with HTC and Sony anyway. Samsung is well known for poor build quality.

It's hard for anybody to compete in sales with a company releasing multiple devices and low end and mid range phones and numerous flagships. It doesn't make them better just they are more affordable. Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract.

wavejockglw · 15-09-2013, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Samsung is well known for poor build quality.

That explains why they are a major component designer and manufacturer who provides lots of things to Apple and others.

It also explains how they became the world's largest consumer electronics company that has taken billions of pounds worth of sales from established players like Sony, Panasonic and Toshiba.

Poorly built products usually lead to enormous worldwide success...... don't they?

swordman · 15-09-2013, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

The apple store has better quality apps.

And Samsung had a lead well before Apple came in. Infact it was around 2007 and the after the Nokia N95 which Apple dominated more than Apple. Sony Ericsson were releasing good camera and Walkman devices similar to Apples policy but lacked Samsung features.

Anybody who uses Android and is a fan tends to avoid Samsung and goes with HTC and Sony anyway. Samsung is well known for poor build quality.

It's hard for anybody to compete in sales with a company releasing multiple devices and low end and mid range phones and numerous flagships. It doesn't make them better just they are more affordable. Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract.

When you talk such nonsense it's obvious that it is based on no facts at all

paulbrock · 15-09-2013, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract.

Well, not people standing outside in the rain for the 'social' element of queueing up to hand your money over, but Samsung do pretty well on pre-orders as well....

jabbamk1 · 15-09-2013, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Samsung is well known for poor build quality.

errrrrrr. Define build quality?

15-09-2013, 12:49	#427
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud No, but it is a big part of it. What is clear is you not liking a certain design (even with your balanced view) has no effect on the quality of a product. No what is clear is you made a statement that they build quality products and somehow made that about build quality which is one factor out of many. How appearance isn't a factor in this "quality" is frankly a little baffling also.

15-09-2013, 12:34	#426
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Presumably no mugger would be so rude as to threaten someone to make them tell them the passcode anyway. They're polite like that.

15-09-2013, 13:06	#428
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Lots of my friends use pattern locks (unavailable on iphone, right?). Presumably thats quicker than entering a PIN, though according to google, less secure. http://cdn.androidcentral.com/sites/...ouchwiz132.jpg If it was only PIN or password, I would imagine fewer would bother..

15-09-2013, 13:14	#429
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock Lots of my friends use pattern locks (unavailable on iphone, right?). Presumably thats quicker than entering a PIN, though according to google, less secure. Yeah, just look on the phone in good light and you can see the swipe pattern!

15-09-2013, 13:16	#430
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	if you looked at it immediately after someone entered it perhaps. but then it would be unlocked anyway....

15-09-2013, 13:41	#431
Bill Clinton Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SouthWirral 1986-2002 & 2004-? Posts: 7,082	What are the actual stats of these models? It's comedy that a rumoured budget phone (the IPhone 5C) actually turned out to be released at the same sort of price as the Samsung Galaxy S4. As an Android fan I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on. Getting an Android model now is more and more of a no brainer as time goes on, the exclusivity of the apps will also be weakening with time as Android now has more installed users over IPhone. The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple, Apple are only beating Android with tablets, it is justice really given how much they have been ripping people off.

15-09-2013, 13:59	#432
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Presumably no mugger would be so rude as to threaten someone to make them tell them the passcode anyway. They're polite like that. no i'm sure they would. but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb? you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many.

15-09-2013, 14:08	#433
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk Yeah, just look on the phone in good light and you can see the swipe pattern! Mixed in amongst the marks and remains of every other swipe and touch the user has made on that phone. You can "see" the swipe patten in the same way that if I showed you a billion digits of pi, you could "see" everyone's 4-digit PIN code. Quote: Originally Posted by Bill Clinton What are the actual stats of these models? Apple usually don't go for giving information on the actual stats/processing power of their phones, with the argument that at the end of the day, how the device performs on a day-to-day basis is more important than stats and figures. Which, I kind of agree with actually - the benchmark pissing contest doesn't really do any favours. Back in the day when, say, TouchWiz on Samsung phones was a bloated piece of crap, it didn't matter that they had the fastest phone on the market - the UX was bad. Nowadays, manufacturers realise that and have been cutting the fat off their "additions" to improve the UX as well as making their phones faster. All of this makes it more surprising that Apple are making a big deal of the 64-bit thing. A few years ago it was Apple for the everyman and Android for the geeks and techies - customisation! Flashing ROMs! GHz!! - and whilst there are now blurred lines (apologies if that brought back to mind that hideous Miley Cyrus image) between them in that regard, I just can't imagine the "it just works" Apple of a few years ago talking about processors or bits or OpenGL ES 3. Maybe they always did and I have only just noticed it, but to me it feels like they are making an interesting switch from bigging up the user experience to bigging up the hardware powering it.

15-09-2013, 14:10	#434
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill Clinton The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple. Well, of course they are. Samsung have around 20 different models of phone's out at a time in different price ranges. Apple sell only 3 models at a time.

15-09-2013, 14:31	#435
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole no i'm sure they would. but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb? you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many. I'm saying if a mugger can likely get a passcode out of someone by threatening to, I dunno, cut off their finger.... They should be able to get someone to just unlock a phone with their finger just by threatening them without actually having to cut their finger off.

15-09-2013, 15:04	#436
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill Clinton ...I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on. ... If you look at their laptops it is less exaggerated, in that they do include a premium laptop screen in their Pro range. Here, they went 64 bit to differentiate staying behind par with regards to the screens. It is only the iPad Retina that now has a screen classed as premium.

15-09-2013, 15:20	#437
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman No what is clear is you made a statement that they build quality products and somehow made that about build quality which is one factor out of many. How appearance isn't a factor in this "quality" is frankly a little baffling also. Appearance has very little to do with quality. However, your view on its appearance has no effect on quality.

15-09-2013, 15:54	#438
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	So appearance is not an important factor in the quality of a device it can be built well but look like a bag of spanners and thats fine .. very odd view

15-09-2013, 16:12	#439
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie I'm saying if a mugger can likely get a passcode out of someone by threatening to, I dunno, cut off their finger.... They should be able to get someone to just unlock a phone with their finger just by threatening them without actually having to cut their finger off. regardless of the logic. it will happen. maybe a mugger might want to knock someone out and take their thumb.

15-09-2013, 16:44	#440
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman So appearance is not an important factor in the quality of a device it can be built well but look like a bag of spanners and thats fine .. very odd view It is not very odd at all. For example, yesterday I went to look at a BMW 600 series. Now, it was a very high quality product. It was well built, used premium materials, was reliable, etc, etc. however, I didn't think it look very attractive (from both the front and back). I didn't walk away thinking its quality had suddenly dropped, especially as appearance is subjective. Besides, I've read a few reviews of the 5c and none of them have said anything negative about the look of the phone.

15-09-2013, 16:47	#441
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	:yawn: cars again However you wouldn't drive in one so pretty important The internet is awash with piss taking around the 5c

15-09-2013, 17:02	#442
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Besides, I've read a few reviews of the 5c and none of them have said anything negative about the look of the phone. Do you have a view about the look of the phone? the 5c i mean? because i think it looks like a toy for young girls. i don't mind it being made of plastic. it's the shape and the colours. looks like this

15-09-2013, 17:09	#443
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole no i'm sure they would. but they wont need to. just cut off the thumb? you surely aren't saying that this wont happen? it's just a question of how many. No because the system is capacitive and looks at the living layer of cells underneath the surface of the finger. It wouldn't work (or so we're meant to believe) unless the thumb was still attached to someone's body. I was recently mugged, the b******s stole my wallet and my phone but didn't ask me for my bank card pin no.s or my phone pin. Muggers aren't the sharpest tools around.

15-09-2013, 17:11	#444
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole Do you have a view about the look of the phone? the 5c i mean? because i think it looks like a toy for young girls. i don't mind it being made of plastic. it's the shape and the colours. looks like this I've already said earlier in this thread that I wouldn't buy one, however, I cannot imagine it is aimed at me. I've not seen one and don't expect to for a couple of weeks. I've seen nokia phones which are plastic and coloured and never thought they looked like a toy. Just looked at your link. If you think the 5c looks like that, then I'm either looking at something completely different, or I assume you are joking.

15-09-2013, 17:16	#445
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman :yawn: cars again However you wouldn't drive in one so pretty important The internet is awash with piss taking around the 5c I'm talking about reviews, not trolls.

15-09-2013, 20:04	#446
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,424	Quote: Originally Posted by Bill Clinton What are the actual stats of these models? It's comedy that a rumoured budget phone (the IPhone 5C) actually turned out to be released at the same sort of price as the Samsung Galaxy S4. As an Android fan I am usually quite reassured that Apple always seems to manage now to be behind the latest Android models on features and usually charges a hefty price tag on top for anything that it DOES manage to catch up on. Getting an Android model now is more and more of a no brainer as time goes on, the exclusivity of the apps will also be weakening with time as Android now has more installed users over IPhone. The war has nearly been won in fact because Samsung alone are selling more actual phone devices than Apple, Apple are only beating Android with tablets, it is justice really given how much they have been ripping people off. The apple store has better quality apps. And Samsung had a lead well before Apple came in. Infact it was around 2007 and the after the Nokia N95 which Apple dominated more than Apple. Sony Ericsson were releasing good camera and Walkman devices similar to Apples policy but lacked Samsung features. Anybody who uses Android and is a fan tends to avoid Samsung and goes with HTC and Sony anyway. Samsung is well known for poor build quality. It's hard for anybody to compete in sales with a company releasing multiple devices and low end and mid range phones and numerous flagships. It doesn't make them better just they are more affordable. Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract.

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15-09-2013, 20:10	#447
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Samsung is well known for poor build quality. That explains why they are a major component designer and manufacturer who provides lots of things to Apple and others. It also explains how they became the world's largest consumer electronics company that has taken billions of pounds worth of sales from established players like Sony, Panasonic and Toshiba. Poorly built products usually lead to enormous worldwide success...... don't they?

15-09-2013, 20:39	#448
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 The apple store has better quality apps. And Samsung had a lead well before Apple came in. Infact it was around 2007 and the after the Nokia N95 which Apple dominated more than Apple. Sony Ericsson were releasing good camera and Walkman devices similar to Apples policy but lacked Samsung features. Anybody who uses Android and is a fan tends to avoid Samsung and goes with HTC and Sony anyway. Samsung is well known for poor build quality. It's hard for anybody to compete in sales with a company releasing multiple devices and low end and mid range phones and numerous flagships. It doesn't make them better just they are more affordable. Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract. When you talk such nonsense it's obvious that it is based on no facts at all

15-09-2013, 20:44	#449
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Definitely not long queues when Samsung release the new Galaxy phones and tablets. Probably tend to pick up more over time on a contract. Well, not people standing outside in the rain for the 'social' element of queueing up to hand your money over, but Samsung do pretty well on pre-orders as well....

15-09-2013, 20:45	#450
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Samsung is well known for poor build quality. errrrrrr. Define build quality?