Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

enapace · 11-09-2013, 12:05

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Absolutely not. Apple are taking a huge gamble just by launching the 5c i.e. it may well cannibalise 5s sales. Believe it or not, margins are already pretty tight on smartphones so the last thing Apple need is to further squeeze those margins or devalue the brand by launching an even cheaper iPhone than the 5c.

That is normally true but there has been hardly any development costs for the 5C plus fact plastic is cheaper. They are the ones trying get into china market and with these prices they selling for they have absolutely no chance because it doesn't it isn't competitive with other options. They basically only knocked of 60 pounds after a year there is no one else who does stuff like that.

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 12:10

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Originally Posted by swordman

Yeah as they have spent £500 odd or are stuck in a 2 year contract on a phone that has been superceded by the Mk 2 and apple clearly think is substandard and have scrapped it.

I would be so furious only the soothing colours of the 5c would be able to calm me

Good point - I expect when people bought the iPhone 5, they figured that was as good as it was going to get, and Apple would never need to release a new model ever again.

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 12:18

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

The 4S has so far lasted twice as long as the 5.

Presumably as the 4S is a bit older, it can sell for less than the iPhone 5 would this year. And they have brought out the 5S as an improvement on the 5. And the 5C between the two.

I don't see how any of this gets anyone to the conclusion that "Apple dropped the iPhone 5 because they realised it was a piece of shit".

konebyvax · 11-09-2013, 12:18

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Good point - I expect when people bought the iPhone 5, they figured that was as good as it was going to get, and Apple would never need to release a new model ever again.

Sarcasm aside, 12 months longevity for an iPhone is not exactly a long time. It screams 'we got it wrong'. Who knows, it may become 'collectable' like the Sony Walkman mobile I sold years ago for way more than i paid for it brand new

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 12:21

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

Sarcasm aside, 12 months longevity for an iPhone is not exactly a long time. It screams 'we got it wrong'.

If the 5C is basically the 5 in a different design, and the 5S is basically an improved version of the 5, and the 5 was the biggest and fastest selling iPhone, and I think the biggest selling smartphone in 2012. (I can't remember now if it was pipped by the S3, or if the S3 just outsold in in the 4th quarter.)

How does all of that add up to "we got it wrong"?

konebyvax · 11-09-2013, 12:24

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

If the 5C is basically the 5 in a different design, and the 5S is basically an improved version of the 5, and the 5 was the biggest and fastest selling iPhone, and I think the biggest selling smartphone in 2012. (I can't remember now if it was pipped by the S3, or if the S3 just outsold in in the 4th quarter.)

How does all of that add up to "we got it wrong"?

They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong?

swordman · 11-09-2013, 12:38

What have sales got to do with it all that proves is that Apple customers will buy apple rejects. Plus who knows how it sold and apple clearly had no such confidence in it.

Any phone that has only a twelve month shelf life is clearly a bad apple and had to go... I give that embarrassment the 5c twelve months too

Admiral Star · 11-09-2013, 12:41

I like the look of the iphone so might be tempted to upgrade. Got a 4s atm, I will either get the 5s or the Nexus 5 when it comes out. not exactly cheap is it the iphone 5s? I'd have to get the 32gb version as well.

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 12:46

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong?

Given all of the above in my previous post, what exactly do you think was wrong?

konebyvax · 11-09-2013, 12:49

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Given all of the above in my previous post, what exactly do you think was wrong?

You would have to ask Apple - they chose to change it not me. I'm assuming the iPhone 5 wasn't the sales juggernaut they were expecting or why wasn't it retained like the 4S was (which incidentally continued to experience very healthy sales even after the 5 was launched)?

Andrew_Ballard · 11-09-2013, 12:55

Apple's pricing is a laugh, but they have so many people who willingly locked themselves into their ecosystem, well...

If you really want a laugh check out that new apple 'hand in' service.

They are not even using any lube this time round. Perhaps they don't need to anymore.

Zee_Bukhari · 11-09-2013, 12:59

Nokia just wanted to thank Apple.

http://s2.postimg.org/88x31oww9/NOKIA.png

swordman · 11-09-2013, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Andrew_Ballard

If you really want a laugh check out that new apple 'hand in' service.

They are not even using any lube this time round. Perhaps they don't need to anymore.

very good

No clearly all pretence with Apple has now ceased their new approach seems to be you will buy any crap we serve up now pay up... And yes it is that much.

Dan Sette · 11-09-2013, 13:22

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Originally Posted by swordman

You mean was a disaster.. There are plenty of threads explaining why the 5 was rubbish which all turned out to be true.

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Originally Posted by swordman

You seem very upset... You must own the iPhone 5 Mk 1 I expect I would be upset too.

I'm not upset either, I'm perfectly happy with what my phone does. I don't feel I have to knock others for the choces they have made for phones that do what is good for them.

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

If the punters do not bite they can reduce the price of both the 5c and 5s later. Lucky for them that most punters are semi-captive network contract customers.

And that is the point, isn't it. Apple have got their pricing right and it will sell, or they have got it wrong, and it won't.

Certainly I'm in a semi captive network contract because I use a lot of data, and where i TEND to use the data most gives me, co-incidentally, the fastest speeds. Evem at home I get faster internet speeds on my phone than on Broadband (tough that may change next year as the Superfast programme in Cornwall gets nearer completion.

Infected · 11-09-2013, 13:24

The iPhone 5C is not a budget phone. It's their colourful one. Also this is the biggest S upgrade ever.

flagpole · 11-09-2013, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Infected

The iPhone 5C is not a budget phone. It's their colourful one. Also this is the biggest S upgrade ever.

the biggest small upgrade ever. lol

like the world's tallest dwarf.

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 14:00

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

You would have to ask Apple - they chose to change it not me. I'm assuming the iPhone 5 wasn't the sales juggernaut they were expecting or why wasn't it retained like the 4S was (which incidentally continued to experience very healthy sales even after the 5 was launched)?

I'm asking you, because you're the one saying "they got it wrong", not Apple!

cnbcwatcher · 11-09-2013, 14:01

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Originally Posted by klendathu

The prices are disgraceful in my opinion . £469 for what looks like a Fisher Price My First Phone

It will be a cold day in hell when I give Apple my dosh

That would be Windows Phone 8

So I take it you would never use a Mac either?

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari

Nokia just wanted to thank Apple.

http://s2.postimg.org/88x31oww9/NOKIA.png

Presumably because until Nokia came along, no-one used colour?

Dan Sette · 11-09-2013, 14:04

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong?

Most phones are superceded in 12 months.

They've kept the 4S as the budget free on a contact phone.

When all is said and done the 5C is only a rebranded 5 so the 5 would have to be dropped as it would compete with its own replacement - which has to be distinctive enough to make the 5s different.

I'll stick my neck out and say that the "M7" processor which will be used for peripherals like that exhibited in the Nike - but more intensive - will be ulitised by the rumoured iWatch which I bet won't work with the 5C - just a guess though.

I confess I don't see the point of an iWatch. If someone sends me a text I merely reach in my top pocket.

subversive · 11-09-2013, 14:06

So now we will see Apple release THREE phone versions each year instead of two, all the same size, but different on the inside...

iPhone 5
iPhone 5S
iPhone 5C

interesting.....

swordman · 11-09-2013, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Dan Sette

I'm not upset either, I'm perfectly happy with what my phone does. I don't feel I have to knock others for the choces they have made for phones that do what is good for them.
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Well done you

calico_pie · 11-09-2013, 14:10

With the watch thing, I think it really needs to marketed as an accessory for a particular group, e.g. runners, cyclists etc. If it can receive notifications etc, then that is really a secondary selling point.

I think that's where Samsung got it wrong, by focusing too much on it being able to duplicate what you can do with a phone, rather than what you can do with the watch.

So for example the 5S doing all its motion stuff, and using something like the Nike app sending real time data to your wrist, then I think that is where it starts to come into its own.

It won't necessarily be for everyone, but at least it might have a more definite market. And if they can keep it under $200 that market might just be broad enough to cover casual gym goers rather than be limited to more serious sporty types.

Stiggles · 11-09-2013, 14:11

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Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher

That would be Windows Phone 8

Hmmm....no.

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So I take it you would never use a Mac either?

Have before but never again. Awful isn't the word.

Stiggles · 11-09-2013, 14:12

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

With the watch thing, I think it really needs to marketed as an accessory for a particular group, e.g. runners, cyclists etc. If it can receive notifications etc, then that is really a secondary selling point.

I think that's where Samsung got it wrong, by focusing too much on it being able to duplicate what you can do with a phone, rather than what you can do with the watch.

So for example the 5S doing all its motion stuff, and using something like the Nike app sending real time data to your wrist, then I think that is where it starts to come into its own.

It won't necessarily be for everyone, but at least it might have a more definite market. And if they can keep it under $200 that market might just be broad enough to cover casual gym goers rather than more serious sporty types.

Did Samsung get it wrong?

I like the look of it and what it can do. Just a pity it will only work on Samsung phones

11-09-2013, 12:05	#126
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Absolutely not. Apple are taking a huge gamble just by launching the 5c i.e. it may well cannibalise 5s sales. Believe it or not, margins are already pretty tight on smartphones so the last thing Apple need is to further squeeze those margins or devalue the brand by launching an even cheaper iPhone than the 5c. That is normally true but there has been hardly any development costs for the 5C plus fact plastic is cheaper. They are the ones trying get into china market and with these prices they selling for they have absolutely no chance because it doesn't it isn't competitive with other options. They basically only knocked of 60 pounds after a year there is no one else who does stuff like that.

11-09-2013, 12:10	#127
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Yeah as they have spent £500 odd or are stuck in a 2 year contract on a phone that has been superceded by the Mk 2 and apple clearly think is substandard and have scrapped it. I would be so furious only the soothing colours of the 5c would be able to calm me Good point - I expect when people bought the iPhone 5, they figured that was as good as it was going to get, and Apple would never need to release a new model ever again.

11-09-2013, 12:18	#128
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax The 4S has so far lasted twice as long as the 5. Presumably as the 4S is a bit older, it can sell for less than the iPhone 5 would this year. And they have brought out the 5S as an improvement on the 5. And the 5C between the two. I don't see how any of this gets anyone to the conclusion that "Apple dropped the iPhone 5 because they realised it was a piece of shit".

11-09-2013, 12:18	#129
konebyvax Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ignoringtrollsville Posts: 7,875	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Good point - I expect when people bought the iPhone 5, they figured that was as good as it was going to get, and Apple would never need to release a new model ever again. Sarcasm aside, 12 months longevity for an iPhone is not exactly a long time. It screams 'we got it wrong'. Who knows, it may become 'collectable' like the Sony Walkman mobile I sold years ago for way more than i paid for it brand new

11-09-2013, 12:21	#130
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax Sarcasm aside, 12 months longevity for an iPhone is not exactly a long time. It screams 'we got it wrong'. If the 5C is basically the 5 in a different design, and the 5S is basically an improved version of the 5, and the 5 was the biggest and fastest selling iPhone, and I think the biggest selling smartphone in 2012. (I can't remember now if it was pipped by the S3, or if the S3 just outsold in in the 4th quarter.) How does all of that add up to "we got it wrong"?

11-09-2013, 12:24	#131
konebyvax Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ignoringtrollsville Posts: 7,875	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie If the 5C is basically the 5 in a different design, and the 5S is basically an improved version of the 5, and the 5 was the biggest and fastest selling iPhone, and I think the biggest selling smartphone in 2012. (I can't remember now if it was pipped by the S3, or if the S3 just outsold in in the 4th quarter.) How does all of that add up to "we got it wrong"? They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong?

11-09-2013, 12:38	#132
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	What have sales got to do with it all that proves is that Apple customers will buy apple rejects. Plus who knows how it sold and apple clearly had no such confidence in it. Any phone that has only a twelve month shelf life is clearly a bad apple and had to go... I give that embarrassment the 5c twelve months too

11-09-2013, 12:41	#133
Admiral Star Guest Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,858	I like the look of the iphone so might be tempted to upgrade. Got a 4s atm, I will either get the 5s or the Nexus 5 when it comes out. not exactly cheap is it the iphone 5s? I'd have to get the 32gb version as well.

11-09-2013, 12:46	#134
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong? Given all of the above in my previous post, what exactly do you think was wrong?

11-09-2013, 12:49	#135
konebyvax Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ignoringtrollsville Posts: 7,875	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Given all of the above in my previous post, what exactly do you think was wrong? You would have to ask Apple - they chose to change it not me. I'm assuming the iPhone 5 wasn't the sales juggernaut they were expecting or why wasn't it retained like the 4S was (which incidentally continued to experience very healthy sales even after the 5 was launched)?

11-09-2013, 12:55	#136
Andrew_Ballard Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 727	Apple's pricing is a laugh, but they have so many people who willingly locked themselves into their ecosystem, well... If you really want a laugh check out that new apple 'hand in' service. They are not even using any lube this time round. Perhaps they don't need to anymore.

11-09-2013, 12:59	#137
Zee_Bukhari Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,319	Nokia just wanted to thank Apple. http://s2.postimg.org/88x31oww9/NOKIA.png

11-09-2013, 13:14	#138
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew_Ballard If you really want a laugh check out that new apple 'hand in' service. They are not even using any lube this time round. Perhaps they don't need to anymore. very good No clearly all pretence with Apple has now ceased their new approach seems to be you will buy any crap we serve up now pay up... And yes it is that much.

11-09-2013, 13:22	#139
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman You mean was a disaster.. There are plenty of threads explaining why the 5 was rubbish which all turned out to be true. Quote: Originally Posted by swordman You seem very upset... You must own the iPhone 5 Mk 1 I expect I would be upset too. I'm not upset either, I'm perfectly happy with what my phone does. I don't feel I have to knock others for the choces they have made for phones that do what is good for them. Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic If the punters do not bite they can reduce the price of both the 5c and 5s later. Lucky for them that most punters are semi-captive network contract customers. And that is the point, isn't it. Apple have got their pricing right and it will sell, or they have got it wrong, and it won't. Certainly I'm in a semi captive network contract because I use a lot of data, and where i TEND to use the data most gives me, co-incidentally, the fastest speeds. Evem at home I get faster internet speeds on my phone than on Broadband (tough that may change next year as the Superfast programme in Cornwall gets nearer completion.

11-09-2013, 13:24	#140
Infected Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 15	The iPhone 5C is not a budget phone. It's their colourful one. Also this is the biggest S upgrade ever.

11-09-2013, 13:45	#141
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by Infected The iPhone 5C is not a budget phone. It's their colourful one. Also this is the biggest S upgrade ever. the biggest small upgrade ever. lol like the world's tallest dwarf.

11-09-2013, 14:00	#142
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax You would have to ask Apple - they chose to change it not me. I'm assuming the iPhone 5 wasn't the sales juggernaut they were expecting or why wasn't it retained like the 4S was (which incidentally continued to experience very healthy sales even after the 5 was launched)? I'm asking you, because you're the one saying "they got it wrong", not Apple!

11-09-2013, 14:01	#143
cnbcwatcher Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At college, in L.A.'s office Posts: 54,221	Quote: Originally Posted by klendathu The prices are disgraceful in my opinion . £469 for what looks like a Fisher Price My First Phone It will be a cold day in hell when I give Apple my dosh That would be Windows Phone 8 So I take it you would never use a Mac either?

11-09-2013, 14:02	#144
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari Nokia just wanted to thank Apple. http://s2.postimg.org/88x31oww9/NOKIA.png Presumably because until Nokia came along, no-one used colour?

11-09-2013, 14:04	#145
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax They superseded it within 12 months. It's no longer available brand new. Did they do that with the 4S? Surely that's Apple admitting they got it wrong? Most phones are superceded in 12 months. They've kept the 4S as the budget free on a contact phone. When all is said and done the 5C is only a rebranded 5 so the 5 would have to be dropped as it would compete with its own replacement - which has to be distinctive enough to make the 5s different. I'll stick my neck out and say that the "M7" processor which will be used for peripherals like that exhibited in the Nike - but more intensive - will be ulitised by the rumoured iWatch which I bet won't work with the 5C - just a guess though. I confess I don't see the point of an iWatch. If someone sends me a text I merely reach in my top pocket.

11-09-2013, 14:06	#146
subversive Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,749	So now we will see Apple release THREE phone versions each year instead of two, all the same size, but different on the inside... iPhone 5 iPhone 5S iPhone 5C interesting.....

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Wow £549 for 16GB Iphone 5S bugget Iphone 5C £469

11-09-2013, 14:07	#147
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Sette I'm not upset either, I'm perfectly happy with what my phone does. I don't feel I have to knock others for the choces they have made for phones that do what is good for them. . Well done you

11-09-2013, 14:10	#148
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	With the watch thing, I think it really needs to marketed as an accessory for a particular group, e.g. runners, cyclists etc. If it can receive notifications etc, then that is really a secondary selling point. I think that's where Samsung got it wrong, by focusing too much on it being able to duplicate what you can do with a phone, rather than what you can do with the watch. So for example the 5S doing all its motion stuff, and using something like the Nike app sending real time data to your wrist, then I think that is where it starts to come into its own. It won't necessarily be for everyone, but at least it might have a more definite market. And if they can keep it under $200 that market might just be broad enough to cover casual gym goers rather than be limited to more serious sporty types.

11-09-2013, 14:11	#149
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher That would be Windows Phone 8 Hmmm....no. Quote: So I take it you would never use a Mac either? Have before but never again. Awful isn't the word.

11-09-2013, 14:12	#150
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie With the watch thing, I think it really needs to marketed as an accessory for a particular group, e.g. runners, cyclists etc. If it can receive notifications etc, then that is really a secondary selling point. I think that's where Samsung got it wrong, by focusing too much on it being able to duplicate what you can do with a phone, rather than what you can do with the watch. So for example the 5S doing all its motion stuff, and using something like the Nike app sending real time data to your wrist, then I think that is where it starts to come into its own. It won't necessarily be for everyone, but at least it might have a more definite market. And if they can keep it under $200 that market might just be broad enough to cover casual gym goers rather than more serious sporty types. Did Samsung get it wrong? I like the look of it and what it can do. Just a pity it will only work on Samsung phones