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Old 12-09-2013, 09:00
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I refuse to watch anything that is either the product of or stars a criminal, whether found guilty by courts or not.
How exactly do you know if they're a criminal if they've not been found guilty in a court?

And as a further exercise, you might like to Google a list of celebrities with criminal records. It's quite a long list.

And what of actors / film makers who've committed suicide over the years - technically a criminal act - are they now unwatchable too?

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Old 12-09-2013, 09:23
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His early films were and remain classics.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:49
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That must seriously limit your movie, TV and music choices then. 'Criminal'/illegal activity is rampant in the entertainment industry; very little of it is actually 'proven' in a court of law. That's not meant to be provocative; just a statement of fact. I kind of respect your high-minded ideals.
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I probably should have quantified it so that none of yous think I avoid watching films involving people who have stole props and costumes from previous sets, and petty juvenile crimes and things like that. But basically any crime which harms other people's physical or emotional well being is what I meant. Rape domestic violence, sexual assault, shooting or threatening someone with a gun, tax avoidance, Class A drug dealing and any acts of hate crime are instantly cut out of my watching and viewing options.

And I'll make exceptions here and there for the sake of reviewing a film, but that depends on some factors.

And, well, thank you, I think...
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Old 12-09-2013, 13:04
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Just as I wouldn't stop listening to Phil Spector because he's a convicted murderer, I wouldn't ignore or stop watching great films made by Roman Polanski. Others can if they like.
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Old 12-09-2013, 15:35
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How exactly do you know if they're a criminal if they've not been found guilty in a court?

And as a further exercise, you might like to Google a list of celebrities with criminal records. It's quite a long list.

And what of actors / film makers who've committed suicide over the years - technically a criminal act - are they now unwatchable too?

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Mark
Yes, I refuse to watch any Robert Mitchum films because he got busted for weed possession back in 1948...
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Old 12-09-2013, 15:50
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Yes, Carnage is a great movie.

I also think the girl was to blame in regards to the whole fuss about him.
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Old 12-09-2013, 15:59
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I probably should have quantified it so that none of yous think I avoid watching films involving people who have stole props and costumes from previous sets, and petty juvenile crimes and things like that. But basically any crime which harms other people's physical or emotional well being is what I meant. Rape domestic violence, sexual assault, shooting or threatening someone with a gun, tax avoidance, Class A drug dealing and any acts of hate crime are instantly cut out of my watching and viewing options.

And I'll make exceptions here and there for the sake of reviewing a film, but that depends on some factors.

And, well, thank you, I think...
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Old 12-09-2013, 16:26
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And I'll make exceptions here and there for the sake of reviewing a film, but that depends on some factors.
Oh, very convenient. A touch pious, aren't we?

Sounds like you don't always have the courage of your rather sanctimonious convictions.
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Old 12-09-2013, 16:51
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Oh, very convenient. A touch pious, aren't we?

Sounds like you don't always have the courage of your rather sanctimonious convictions.
I review films on my own terms, so the only person I'd have to stand up to is, well, myself? And I'm very good at that. Apart from the fact that I don't stand up physically well at all, but let's not get into literal semantics here.

(wheelchair user humour, there...)

My exceptions have nothing to do with convenience. It's not like I look at what everyone else is watching and think "Oh damn, that looks good! Guess I'll throw my morals out of the window for that film or money".

This might be hard to believe, but when I say exceptions, I actually mean careful considerations on the plot, other actors in the film, crime and plot conclusion. Which, before you get snotty over that as well, is worked out from reading other reviews and plot summaries.
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Old 12-09-2013, 17:15
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I probably should have quantified it so that none of yous think I avoid watching films involving people who have stole props and costumes from previous sets, and petty juvenile crimes and things like that. But basically any crime which harms other people's physical or emotional well being is what I meant. Rape domestic violence, sexual assault, shooting or threatening someone with a gun, tax avoidance, Class A drug dealing and any acts of hate crime are instantly cut out of my watching and viewing options.

And I'll make exceptions here and there for the sake of reviewing a film, but that depends on some factors.

And, well, thank you, I think...
Well, let's see what you're missing out on, shall we? The IMDb top 250 is as good a place to start as any:

1. The Shawshank Redemption
2. The Godfather
3. The Godfather Part 2
4. Pulp Fiction
5. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

I'm guessing you don't actually get to see much at all...
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Old 12-09-2013, 17:25
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Yes, Carnage is a great movie.

I also think the girl was to blame in regards to the whole fuss about him.
Congratulations, you win the Ridiculous Post of the Day award for blaming the consequences of a 44-year-old man's unlawful actions on a 13-year-old.
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Old 12-09-2013, 17:50
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This might be hard to believe, but when I say exceptions, I actually mean careful considerations on the plot, other actors in the film, crime and plot conclusion. Which, before you get snotty over that as well, is worked out from reading other reviews and plot summaries.
So you're saying certain qualities of a film are deciding factors? You'll willingly set your 'morals' aside for that? Okey-doke.

It sounds like you just don't want to miss out on what might be a good film but also carry on with the high-mindedness. You'll always risk hypocrisy on that route. But it's your choice of course.

Perhaps you could benefit from doing it more often though. Polanski's made some real crackers in his time.
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Old 12-09-2013, 18:20
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So you're saying certain qualities of a film are deciding factors? You'll willingly set your 'morals' aside for that? Okey-doke.

It sounds like you just don't want to miss out on what might be a good film but also carry on with the high-mindedness. You'll always risk hypocrisy on that route. But it's your choice of course.

Perhaps you could benefit from doing it more often though. Polanski's made some real crackers in his time.
Except I said the opposite and stand by it. Usually the films I do watch are panned, not blockbusters or critically acclaimed cult classics. But I'll keep you updated when I next watch something I wouldn't normally, and I'll talk you through my deciding factors, shall I?
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Old 12-09-2013, 18:33
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Usually the films I do watch are panned, not blockbusters or critically acclaimed cult classics.
The you really are cutting off your nose in spite of your face.
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Old 12-09-2013, 19:17
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I probably should have quantified it so that none of yous think I avoid watching films involving people who have stole props and costumes from previous sets, and petty juvenile crimes and things like that. But basically any crime which harms other people's physical or emotional well being is what I meant. Rape domestic violence, sexual assault, shooting or threatening someone with a gun, tax avoidance, Class A drug dealing and any acts of hate crime are instantly cut out of my watching and viewing options.

And I'll make exceptions here and there for the sake of reviewing a film, but that depends on some factors.

And, well, thank you, I think...
So would you refuse to watch Black Swan and any Darren Aronofsky film (although it seems like he wasn't directly involved) because of the ongoing court case that is undoubtedly harming the plaintiffs emotional wellbeing? Or the Dance Double controversy?
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Old 12-09-2013, 19:21
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Going against the grain here: No.

Whether it was underage sex or an act of paedophilia or not, it was still rape. And I refuse to watch anything that is either the product of or stars a criminal, whether found guilty by courts or not. I don't want to line their pockets, I don't want to send the message that doing any crime is ignorable just because they create things. Which is what it would feel like if I knowingly watch a film by a criminal, especially one that doesn't regret their crime.

To me it's nothing to do with being able to unable to seperate the person from the creation. I understand what creating things mean. It's to do with saying "Oh sure, you go off and commit a crime. We'll all turn our heads away just cos I want to watch your next big film. Nevermind the lives of people you ruin, that's not as important as that blockbuster!".

Which, yes, does limit the amount of films I'll willingly watch and music I'll listen to. But I'd rather go without than condone their actions.
What happens if you watch a film and then find out that the cast/crew do not fit inito your moral code?

Do you beat yourself up about it? Have a little cry in the corner?
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Old 12-09-2013, 19:51
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I refuse to watch anything that is either the product of or stars a criminal, whether found guilty by courts or not.
I undestand you are currently watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Nicholas Brendon (Xander) was sentenced to 36 months probation and a one year suspended sentence in county jail for assaulting two police officers.

Shame you're going to have to stop watching.
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Old 12-09-2013, 20:11
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I undestand you are currently watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Nicholas Brendon (Xander) was sentenced to 36 months probation and a one year suspended sentence in county jail for assaulting two police officers.

Shame you're going to have to stop watching.
Well, that and having to forget it, wiping it from his mind.

As I and others have mentioned above, a film is the product of hundreds of people working on it, from directors, actors, technical workers, manual workers, financiers, producers, and other roles. You're bound to find a hive of criminal activity in each and every film, so maybe throwing out your TV and refusing to go to the cinema might be your only recourse.

Naturally, you could give in to the temptation of the compromise here and there, but then that leads to many inconsistencies and the possible label of being a hypocrite.
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Old 12-09-2013, 20:16
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Well, that and having to forget it, wiping it from his mind.

As I and others have mentioned above, a film is the product of hundreds of people working on it, from directors, actors, technical workers, manual workers, financiers, producers, and other roles. You're bound to find a hive of criminal activity in each and every film, so maybe throwing out your TV and refusing to go to the cinema might be your only recourse.

Naturally, you could give in to the temptation of the compromise here and there, but then that leads to many inconsistencies and the possible label of being a hypocrite.
And I note he goes on add tax avoidance to his list of activities that he instantly cuts out of his watching options. He probably doesn't realise it but a vast amont of movies are part financed by film partnerships for the sole purpose of tax avoidance.
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Old 12-09-2013, 20:33
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And I note he goes on add tax avoidance to his list of activities that he instantly cuts out of his watching options. He probably doesn't realise it but a vast amont of movies are part financed by film partnerships for the sole purpose of tax avoidance.
Let's assume he refuses to watch any Gerrard Depardiu, Universal Pictures, New Line Cinema, Weinstein Company (or any Harvery and Bob Weinstein produced film), Sony Pictures, Paramount, Warner Bros. films...

Apparently, Lord of the Rings made horrendous profits on paper, and is owned by a German company who licenses it back to New Line in order to get a German production credit.
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Old 12-09-2013, 20:37
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Tess is my fav movie by him.

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Old 12-09-2013, 20:53
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I don't know why some of you are ragging on FirstChibi. It's his choice. No different from people refusing to see films that involve anyone - writer, director or actor - they deeply dislike. They don't usually give reasons on the dislike.

We all know that the biggest key to suspension of belief whilst watching a film is ignorance. Once one gains a bit of knowledge (anything - how a film is made, how an actor or director behaves, the production background, how a film is funded), it can either enrich or taint that key.

Once that key is tainted, the suspension of belief is gone. Nothing can bring it back. Only people who know which films could still work are themselves. So, no point in ragging on people for refusing to see films for whatever reasons.

I still think it's crazy that some people refuse to watch any Angelina Jolie film because of her "homewrecker" behaviour, but that's their choice, isn't it? Who cares, really?
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Old 12-09-2013, 21:13
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We all know that the biggest key to suspension of belief whilst watching a film is ignorance. Once one gains a bit of knowledge (anything - how a film is made, how an actor or director behaves, the production background, how a film is funded), it can either enrich or taint that key.
Only if you allow it too. Some can. Some can't. The question is why you can/can't. It's a factor that can stop you seeing the film on its own terms though - and that 'bit of knowledge' can sometimes have little or nothing to do with the film's making.

btw - Many moons ago I attended an art exhibition a friend had curated. The work was by men currently serving time. I knew nothing of why, just that they were. Some of it was clumsy, but some of it was very promising - skillful even. You'd certainly encourage them to carry on. Would knowing what exactly they'd done taint my opinion? Perhaps, but I'd also know that ultimately I'd be reacting in denial of those initial impressions.
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Old 12-09-2013, 21:13
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I don't know why some of you are ragging on FirstChibi. It's his choice.
Just before everyone gets back on topic, can I just point that I am a female?

Thanks. You may now continue to either rail on me for my decisions or get back on to the real topic at hand.
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Old 12-09-2013, 21:54
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You may now continue to either rail on me for my decisions or get back on to the real topic at hand.
Your decisions are very much to do with the real topic at hand, are they not?
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