There is no "fake" father. Michael is NOT Tommy's father, he kindly donated his sperm by having a one night stand with Kat. I have a friend bought up by her step-Dad she calls in Dad he is her Dad, he may not share the same DNA or be on the birth certificate but he is her Dad and has done a hell of a sight more than her biological Dad or her real Dad in your view. Michael has shown no interest and in fact gave away his parental rights before Tommy was born, Alfie was meant to go on the birth certificate but felt that it was only right to put Michael on there. Tommy is lucky he has Alfie.

You are also doing a disservice to all those adopted parents and step parents who have brought up children who are not biologically theirs. And even those fathers who know that their wife had an affair but still took on the baby as their own.

Michael IS tommys father...there is NO debate to that. If kat died tomorrow, Alfie would not have a legal leg to stand on as he has not adopted tommy, is not kats husband and not on the birth certificate. Whether tommy considered him dad is irrelevant. Kat has the only legal say in anything at the mo. if kat wanted no legal restrictions on ronnie, she makes that call. Alfie would not have any say in it whatsoever. That is the law. In his case and given Michael is not involved, I don't know why they don't have Alfie adopt him given tommy sees him as dad.

I don't understand why Alfie didn't adopt him either, it would have solved a lot of problems down the line.

I think we will all have to agree to disagree on this debate, I base my view on biology and legality, you all base it on emotions, the fact remains that Alfie is not related to Tommy in any way, legally or biologically, he is the man who bought him up, nothing more, in a court of law the fact Tommy calls him Daddy would cut no ice whatsoever, people who are bought up by grandparents do not call them mum and dad, Alfie sees himself as Tommys dad and Tommy calls him dad (obviously taking his cue from Kat and Alfie), but he is NOT Tommys dad.

Grandparents do not usually bring up their grandchildren as their children though. There's a huge difference. You keep on insulting people who are adopted and then you act like we're twisting your words. Personally, when I look at my parents, I don't see a walking womb and sperm. I see the people who raised me.


In a court of law, Alfie is not Tommy's dad. I've never said otherwise, but in the way that will actually count to Tommy, Alfie is his dad.

The legal and biological points are not being questioned though, tbh it seems you are being deliberately obtuse and offensive. What is being contended are your numerous comments that Alfie has 'less right' to be emotionally involved in this matter. My dad isn't my biological father and that is a fact, I will never be calling the sperm donor dad. I even *shock horror* elected to live with my 'fake father' and his wife and 'real' kids when my mum moved from the area. If you can't see how ridiculous and plain wrong some of your silly comments appear to people in my position (and indeed others who can at least understand the situation) then I really find that worrying.

I find the thread title to be in extremely poor taste.....'is it "9/11" for Alfie and Roxy?'
I mean really?!! Way to trivialise such a tragic event.
There could easily be posters here who have been personally affected by the events of 9/11.

If this episode of Eastenders happened to fall on the 7th of July, I very much doubt the OP would be putting;
'Is it "7/7" for Alfie and Roxy?'
There'd be cries of outrage (and rightfully so).

In fact he is Tommys Dad . He is not his father . But a Dad is very different to a father .A Dad is who a child sees as his Dad
Mind you that gives him no right whatsoever to tell his GF who she can and cant see .He was so very wrong to make her choose liek that

But I have never said that Alfie had no right to feel the way he did! I have never said that, of course I realise that be would have feelings for Tommy, I never said he wouldn't, my original gripe was NOT how Alfie should or shouldn't feel, my original point was how Alfie is being mean to Roxy and Kat because Roxy loves her sister (yet he wants to deny her that love by banning her from seeing Ronnie), and Kat has felt compassion for Ronnie, that is Kats decision, yet Alfie sees it as a betrayal of HIM and HIS feelings, it's not, it's Kat trying to move on and Alfie has no right to try and stop her by telling her it's the wrong thing to do, it's not, it's Kats way of coping,

Both women tiptoed around him in last week's episodes, hiding the fact Ronnie was back, "dont let Alfie find out" etc - : its if Kat was almost scared of what Alfie would do, but what could he do? Apply for custody because Kat showed some compassion? This is why I kept mentioning the legal bit, Alfie might not like the fact Ronnie is back, but for Kat to tiptoe around him and justify her actions is ridiculous, as I said before, Alfie has a perfect right to be angry and not to forgive Ronnie, he has NO right to try and impose those views on the two women.

I'm sorry if you all take my views on a FICTIONAL tv character to be insulting to real life step fathers (which Alfie now is not due to the divorce), this was never my intention, but this is a fictional character we are talking about, not a real life person, as such I think it a,bit silly to make this personal don't you? I find it insulting that you keep taking my perfectly valid (and factual) views on a FICTIONAL character and make me out to be some kind of step father hating moron!

When you call a fictional character a "fake father" just because he is not biologically related to his son, that is personal. That easily relates to real life. Kat's reaction to Alfie finding out was nothing to do with him taking her to court imo. She was worried he would act with the emotions of a father and be understandably upset and angry. I don't think you are a step father hating moron and I would never say anything like that, but I think you have been completely insensitive to anyone on this board who is adopted or has adopted family. It doesn't always sound like you are claiming Alfie is not Tommy's father in a legal sense. Some of the comments sound like you are saying he's plainly not his father in any way. Like I've mentioned before, it's probably just a case of crossed wires and I'm honestly not trying to make you look bad, I'm just offended by your comments, as are some other people. That's all

I'm not trying to offend anyone, and I am talking purely about a fictional character, Alfie, if anyone wants to transfer that into "real life" and be offended by it then that is up to them, but I'm stating my opinion on Alfie and tbh it is only you and Felix Rex who are making a,deal of it, most people agreed with me at the time, if you do not wish to be offended by my comments on a FICTIONAL character on a TV show then don't read them, I have tried twice to end my part in this "debate" but you keep on replying with the Same thing over and again. I have been offended many times by things said on this forum (quite a few of them coming from Felix Rex), but I don't keep on going in about it, you ARE making it personal because you keep acting like Alfie is a real person, he isn't, this is a,tv show and if I don't agree with Alfies actions then I can say so, preferably without being accused of being Silly and offensive.

I know Alfie is fictional and I've never pretended otherwise. It's you calling him a"fake father" that annoyed me. I'm not offended on behalf of Alfie. I do know the difference between fictional characters and real people. Alfie is fictional but the situation is not. If you call someone a fake parent, fictional or otherwise, purely because they are not blood related to their child, it's insulting. It's not the character, it is the situation and I am repeating myself because you do not seem to get that. I didn't mean to make this personal and I hope I have not offended you, but my opinion remains the same.