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Old 13-09-2013, 20:01
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Just wondering, how long after the launch of the PS4 will PS3 games be playable online?

I recall online gaming for the PS2 stopping quite soon after the launch of the PS3. I presume the PS3 will last a bit longer, but how long before developers stop including online PS3 gameplay?
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Old 13-09-2013, 21:21
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The concept of PSN as it exists today is nothing like PS2-era.

How it is now should be scalable, at least if they didn't make it that way they're noobs - and what this means is that PS4 should just piggyback on the existing network. It might have new APIs, but infrastrucurally (get on the blower to Oxford English Dictionary if that isn't a word) it should be the same.

For gaming, what that means is that until such a time that Sony wants to shunt as many people over to the PS4 as possible, you'll be able to connect a PS3 to PSN.

Don't forget the Store is a major revenue stream so turning off PS3 access is turning off a revenue stream. Businesses don't do that.

For games themselves that is down to the publishers running the servers.
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Old 13-09-2013, 21:59
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They will also possibly have to serve notice as lots of folk will have bought active ps+ for their ps3
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Old 13-09-2013, 22:07
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I would say if demand is there, then ps3 online gaming will still be available just as it is now.
It's when the demand falls that you may see a decline in the service, but if that will happen I think it will be a fairly long time before it does.
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Old 15-09-2013, 13:00
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I recall online gaming for the PS2 stopping quite soon after the launch of the PS3.
Really? My research suggests the PS2 wasn't discontinued until the end of 2012, which is 6 years after the PS3 was launched (and 12 years after its own launch). Wikipedia says servers were running then, and implies they still may be.

From Kotaku:
"It's been seven years since the release of the PS3 and the console continues to sell at a constant pace, plus we have many upcoming titles." Kawano said. "We have no intention of immediately shifting from the PS3 to the PS4."

This is not exactly a new strategy for Sony: Support for the PS2 continued long after the release of the PS3. Nevertheless it's definitely reassuring to hear it directly from the people in charge. Said Kawano, "With the 2014 launch of our cloud service in the US allowing users to play PS3 games on the PS4, some people may switch consoles from the PS3 to the PS4. But that'll be a gradual process, and to say 'we're releasing a new console, so trade in your old ones for it' would be a maker's ego talking, plain and simple."
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Old 15-09-2013, 15:45
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If the cloud service allows us to play already purchased physical games from the PS3 on the PS4 then that will be a HUGE coup for Sony and change the way we view generations from now on.

But I don't think it will be, unfortunately. Digital titles are a possibility, but your PS3 physical media will be locked to your PS3 system forever, I fear.
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Old 15-09-2013, 18:25
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Really? My research suggests the PS2 wasn't discontinued until the end of 2012, which is 6 years after the PS3 was launched (and 12 years after its own launch). Wikipedia says servers were running then, and implies they still may be.

From Kotaku:
"It's been seven years since the release of the PS3 and the console continues to sell at a constant pace, plus we have many upcoming titles." Kawano said. "We have no intention of immediately shifting from the PS3 to the PS4."

This is not exactly a new strategy for Sony: Support for the PS2 continued long after the release of the PS3. Nevertheless it's definitely reassuring to hear it directly from the people in charge. Said Kawano, "With the 2014 launch of our cloud service in the US allowing users to play PS3 games on the PS4, some people may switch consoles from the PS3 to the PS4. But that'll be a gradual process, and to say 'we're releasing a new console, so trade in your old ones for it' would be a maker's ego talking, plain and simple."
Interesting, I didn't realise online PS2 had carried on so long after the PS3 launch.
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Old 15-09-2013, 18:51
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If the cloud service allows us to play already purchased physical games from the PS3 on the PS4 then that will be a HUGE coup for Sony and change the way we view generations from now on.

But I don't think it will be, unfortunately. Digital titles are a possibility, but your PS3 physical media will be locked to your PS3 system forever, I fear.
Being able 2 insert ya original PS3 disk into ya PS4 & then getting free access to the game in question (via gaikai) would be fantastic ... It's gotta happen surely???
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Old 15-09-2013, 20:36
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Being able 2 insert ya original PS3 disk into ya PS4 & then getting free access to the game in question (via gaikai) would be fantastic ... It's gotta happen surely???
I presume if that happens, they will find a way to make sure that can only be done once for each disc and it won't be possible to give a disc to a friend so they can also get free access?
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Old 15-09-2013, 20:49
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I presume if that happens, they will find a way to make sure that can only be done once for each disc and it won't be possible to give a disc to a friend so they can also get free access?
Naturally!!! ... it'll be registered 2 ya PSNetwork account!
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Old 15-09-2013, 20:56
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I presume if that happens, they will find a way to make sure that can only be done once for each disc and it won't be possible to give a disc to a friend so they can also get free access?
In my opinion it would be in Sonys interest to just allow you to put a disc in the PS4 which triggers the cloud stream of the game. I think most people are sceptical about Gaikai and cloud streamed games. So this would allow people to just put a PS3 disc into the PS4 and instantly test what a cloud streamed game is like. As long as it all works perfectly people will be far more likely to pay for the cloud gaming services on offer as they will know first hand what the service is like.
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Old 16-09-2013, 10:12
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I presume if that happens, they will find a way to make sure that can only be done once for each disc and it won't be possible to give a disc to a friend so they can also get free access?
That is the real issue to overcome with having games register for streaming play from the disc. The trouble is Blurays can't be written back to so the PS4 can't just put some bytes on there saying "disc used" If each disc has some kind of unique hidden serial number differentiating it from other copies of the same game then that could be registered against the users account and keeping a database of these numbers would allow Sony to see who has registered what and allow/deny access. But do Bluray game discs have anything like that, which the PS4 would be able to read?

I guess another (perhaps more realistic) option is letting anyone owning the original Bluray for a PS3 game have a discount on it (but not get it free), that way even if someone lends a disc they (Sony) are at least getting a nominal fee back and by that time PS3 games will probably have limited resale value anyway.

Though overall I think those of us with digital games bought from the store will be in a stronger position and may have a better chance of being able to exchange them for PS4 compatible streaming versions as there is no issue of ownership like there is with discs, the games are tied directly to a users account, they own the games listed = no problem.
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Old 16-09-2013, 13:21
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I presume if that happens, they will find a way to make sure that can only be done once for each disc and it won't be possible to give a disc to a friend so they can also get free access?
They could require the disk be in the machine every time the game is played. (Which is pretty much how it works with the PS3.)

Presumably the disks have a unique ID, so they could also register it online and then they wouldn't require the disk to be in the machine for subsequent plays. If the disk gets put into a different machine, the original machine would become unregistered and no longer able to play.

It's the sort of thing we wanted Microsoft to do with the XBox One, but simpler and less controversial in that it's obvious that streaming gaming has to be online to work. (With the XBox One, the console could play the game from the disk and so didn't need to be online, so it seemed restrictive when Microsoft said it had to be online anyway.)
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